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Mardelin 08-04-2009 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2739275)
We had our sit down with Carl Yochuum, President of the YTCA. He understands and became the mediator for our breed. We are constantly still talking with YTCA members. However, there are certain attackers on this forum who are doing just that, attacking our efforts. If YOU need information, and want to learn, contact BTCA direct. We don't need this aggravation anymore.
I've taken attacks on numerous occassions. If I counter attacked, it would defeat a purpose of being here to educate not to allienate. Ignore the attackers and reach out to those that really want to understand.

I do know Carl as I am a YTCA member.

IRMaxine 08-04-2009 08:22 AM
In no way am I attacking the BTCA- I am asking questions that I would hope any dog owner would want to know- I think it is very important to know if tests have been validated for the Biewer breed- regardless of what you call them (terriers, ala pom pons or what ever)
You have stated on your web site that you have new state of the art testing
for the Biewer Terrier-You made the statement public- The public would like to know- Like I stated I have spoken with several leading laboratories and they are interested in this testing also since they say there is no such test!!!!

Obie 08-04-2009 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2739279)
I've taken attacks on numerous occassions. If I counter attacked, it would defeat a purpose of being here to educate not to allienate. Ignore the attackers and reach out to those that really want to understand.

I do know Carl as I am a YTCA member.

I have spent most of my summer showing at AKC events. I know the circle. So far, there is not one Yorkshire Terrier person I spoke with at the shows know anything about YorkieTalk and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. However, what I did find surprising is that a lot are aware of the Biewer Terrier and the BTCA. That I found surprising and refreshing. I'm about done posting on this forum. Many of these people don't want to learn, just bring up all the old posts on Biewers and Parti Yorkies and you'll see all the attacks our club has endured. For this, we are now moving away from them and concentrating on getting our Biewer Terrier accepted in AKC. There is where I'll be on an even playing field showing my Biewer Terrier.

Izzy Princess 08-04-2009 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2739196)
What is the difference between the regular biewers and the biewer a la Pom Pnss? i see a lot of beiwer breeders with this on their website. Trying to learn since I hope to own one someday (when I get rich).

Sugar's Mom Dee thanks so much for posting this. I have a gorgeous Yorkshire Terrier and just recently we added a Biewer to our family. On Cosmo's papers I see Biewer a la Pom Pom (papers are in German so I need an interpreter...lol).

I am not a breeder so I can't really add info but as a "buyer", and I can't speak for all "buyers" but for me, I try to do as much research as I can before selecting first breed of puppy I am interested in but also the breeder themselves. I, as a buyer, put my faith and trust into the breeders that they are giving me the healthiest puppy they can knowing what they know.

I know that there is politics in everything but to the lay person it is just plain confusing. I just want to learn from you all since I have both:(

bchgirl 08-04-2009 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2739261)
If you go on the infamous IBC website in Germany, you will see for yourself they have declared the Biewer Terrier to be a separate breed of its own. This was a blessing in disguise for the Biewer Terrier. This is also what AKC needed to see as ARBA and Carl Yochuum of YTCA already knew.

Because of all the efforts the BTCA has made and is now recognized as the leading breed club, the decision was made to no longer help those who have choosen to try and mock everything the BTCA was doing. We no longer need to justify our efforts to those who are still in the dark with this breed.
Thank you for your reply, but that doesn't clarify your club's stance on the matter. And that was my question. :)

bailey12 08-04-2009 08:35 AM
Sorry Gayle, didn't realize it wasn't posted, but I do understand why. I find it interesting that any testing that is being done comes under such scrutiny. Questions and sharing of information is a wonderful thing, but the people who constantly assume or choose to believe there is no such test, the test is wrong, invalid, etc., I guess my question is why? Do you think the test is just a lie, that the BTCA is "making it up"? Everyone has a choice in what they do. If someone doesn't want to use this test, don't, but why criticize anothers choice if they do? Juliet

Izzy Princess 08-04-2009 08:40 AM
OK please help me understand...is it the fact that the YTCA does not want the Biewer recognized as a Yorkie or that the BTCA wants the Biewer to be it's own breed? To me that makes no sense since the Biewer came from two traditional Yorkies?:confused:

Mardelin 08-04-2009 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2739304)
I have spent most of my summer showing at AKC events. I know the circle. So far, there is not one Yorkshire Terrier person I spoke with at the shows know anything about YorkieTalk and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. However, what I did find surprising is that a lot are aware of the Biewer Terrier and the BTCA. That I found surprising and refreshing. I'm about done posting on this forum. Many of these people don't want to learn, just bring up all the old posts on Biewers and Parti Yorkies and you'll see all the attacks our club has endured. For this, we are now moving away from them and concentrating on getting our Biewer Terrier accepted in AKC. There is where I'll be on an even playing field showing my Biewer Terrier.
I do know that other Exhibitor Breeders have their own feelings about YT. I understand them and why they feel that way. I for one feel I have to look beyond what I don't like and attempt to educate for the good of the yorkie. I don't come on here to sell puppies, just enjoy helping.

Pruett 08-04-2009 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2739250)
The conversation between YTCA and the Biewer Club was very civil and educational. YTCA asked questions and Biewer Members were more than willing to answer them. It was a great opportunity to bridge the gap, and left the door open to more constructive conversations and sharing of information.
I'm sorry, when was this and who was the meeting with?

I wasn't trying to confrontational.

Mardelin 08-04-2009 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2739389)
I'm sorry, when was this and who was the meeting with?

I wasn't trying to confrontational.
It wasn't a meeting, it was conducted via the internet, via YTCA members and members from 2 of the Biewer Clubs.

Sugar's Mom 08-04-2009 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Izzy Princess (Post 2739310)
Sugar's Mom Dee thanks so much for posting this. I have a gorgeous Yorkshire Terrier and just recently we added a Biewer to our family. On Cosmo's papers I see Biewer a la Pom Pom (papers are in German so I need an interpreter...lol).

I am not a breeder so I can't really add info but as a "buyer", and I can't speak for all "buyers" but for me, I try to do as much research as I can before selecting first breed of puppy I am interested in but also the breeder themselves. I, as a buyer, put my faith and trust into the breeders that they are giving me the healthiest puppy they can knowing what they know.

I know that there is politics in everything but to the lay person it is just plain confusing. I just want to learn from you all since I have both:(
yes, I brought it up but no one has seen fit to answer it.:confused:

Pruett 08-04-2009 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2739398)
It wasn't a meeting, it was conducted via the internet, via YTCA members and members from 2 of the Biewer Clubs.
The clubs that believe that the Biewer is just a Yorkie with 3 colors or do they have another belief now?

bchgirl 08-04-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2739433)
yes, I brought it up but no one has seen fit to answer it.:confused:
The biewer originated in Germany in a kennel owned by Werner and Gertrude Biewer. He named the dogs Biewer Yorkshire al pom pon. In 1989 the dogs were accepted as a breed of their own with the ACH German e.V.

The dogs are shown in Germany and other countries under this standard.
Google Translate

In Germany the dogs are still called by the original name.

Unless I am incorrect....the BTCA does not consider their biewer terriers the same breed.

HTH. :)

BamaFan121s 08-04-2009 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2738019)
I can see with 11 posts you are definitely a trouble maker.
Seems like there are quite a few people like that who surface only when something controversial regarding Biewers is brought up. :cool:

Mardelin 08-04-2009 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2739536)
The clubs that believe that the Biewer is just a Yorkie with 3 colors or do they have another belief now?
These members were from 2 of the National Clubs. There belief was not part of the discussion.


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