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breeder selling dogs that are not the size she said they will be Hi im new here and been scammed by a breeder. Let me tell you my story. I know there is no such thing as a teacup yorkie i got it but there are smaller yorkies out there that go for more money than a standard size yorkie that is like 5 to 6 lb full grown. In my area i can get a yorkie that size for 500-600 bucks. But i wanted a relly small baby. so i decided to look on the internet. i found a nice lady that i talked to a bunch of times and was really nice. She had a add on kijiji which said she has a male yorkie that will be around 2 pounds full grown and she was asking 1300 for him. she told me the last time she took him to the vet he was was 1lb 2 oz at 14 weeks. The day before i got him she said she took him to the vet and he weighed 1lb 10oz at 19 weeks. So i was told and purchased my puppy with the assumption that when i get him he will be 1lb 10 oz this is why i paid so much for him. when i got him the day after he was 2lb 6 oz. I am really upset and thinking about taking this lady to court about this i have papers stating she said he weighed that much and also on his vet papers the vet made and the weight was scratched out i tried to call the vet she took him to but the woman i got the dog from will not release his information to me. I think i need to take this woman to court this i wrong. She said she will not refund my money or anything.her name is Evelyn Marie Dutton The AKC papers say the owner was Ruth S Cornish from wittmann arizona. there was also another name of Teresa Krum the one who signed the dog onto the plane. the dog is healthy and cute but he is not what i paid for. she knows smaller dogs go for more money and she is selling average size yorkies to get more money. I have tried to be nice to her but now she is threatening me on making a police report on me. |
should i file a police report in my state and hers? I don't know for sure where to start. I never had a problem like this. I do want to take her to court for this i don't like scammers and this puppy stuff on the internet needs to stop. She thinks im just going to let it go as so many other breeders and people that sell dogs falsely. She told me she was going to let this little thing go but now she wants to report me because im harassing her. What??:eek: I just gave you 1300 for a dog and it wasn't the dog i paid for and im harassing her. Im not going to take this from her i never had a legal issue before so any advice will help me thank you. |
Congratulations on your new puppy. Do you like the dog, by the way? How is his health? Has he made you smile yet? |
Whoaaaaa, slow down. Your puppy is small. I got Jemma at 9 weeks and she was 2 pounds. She is done growing now at 8 months and weighs a big 4 pounds. When you say you wanted small, how small are you talking 1 1/2 pounds? First off that's not likely to happen. Second, you don't want it to happen. Smaller pups can have a host more of medical problems. Thirdly, there can be no gurantee on size. A breeder can only hope that her breeding small ones will produce what she wants. But you never know. Breeding isn't always a sure thing as to the outcome. Maybe one of the dogs in the line was bigger and this pup pulled that gene. This breeder isn't going to know that when it's born. You might even getting criticized for buying over the internet. I'm not going to judge you on that. But you took the chance, know what I mean? There are no guarantees on dogs except for maybe genetic defects or hereditary problems. Did she give you a health guarantee on the pup? For how long? You may not believe this but if the pup is health and only weighs a little over 2 pounds and is registered AKC, you didn't do so bad. I don't like the fact that there was a scratch out on the weight. But truth is? You've got a small pup. That is not big at 5 months. Are the parents registered AKC? |
I hope this isn't going to affect how you feel about this puppy. If you don't like the puppy especially since it's not as small as you'd like, please sell or rehome he/her to someone who will love her as she/he is. I'm not saying you don't like her, but if it's a possibility then I would rethink keeping the little one. Just for both your sakes. Also, while you're here, why not read all the info here on breeding, buying and a host of other topics that are covered. You can get quite a education. good luck! I hope all works out. As far as court goes, I'm sorry but I don't think you have a chance there. Just my opinion only. All I have said above is just my opinion. |
You must be Bunnycup right? You already filed a claim with Ripoff and signed it buttercup? I tried to do a search on this woman and came up with nothing negative on her except your complaint. I can't find any negatives or complaints on any of the others either. I didn't check the transporters name though, because she is probably just that. Transports the dogs to the airport. Is there a Kennel name they have? |
I can understand why your mad. You didn't think the breeder would lie about the weight but it does happen and I'm sorry it happened to you. You didn't do anything wrong but believe what the breeder told you. I know that you're mad right now but maybe before you do anything else think about what you want to happen from here. Do you want to keep the puppy? Do you want to return the puppy? Really think about it....I'm curious about the contract as well. Also, I'm not sure how many times you've contacted the breeder but you should be able to contact the breeder especially if she sold you a dog claiming to weigh a certain amount and the pup gets delivered at a different weight. It sounds like she's just trying to scare you into letting it go. It really isn't fair to you. I'm pretty sure there is a way to return the dog and get your money back. If that's what you want to do? Having said all that, I have to agree with Jemma too. You didn't get a bad deal for an AKC pup and the little dogs are so much more fragile and sometimes not as healthy etc etc but you have to live with the dog and if it's not what you want then you shouldn't have to keep the pup. The term "Teacup" is a marketing tool used by some people to sell their overpriced runts of a litter anyway. They should be cheaper not more money. I'm sure this has a lot to do with the way the breeder handled the situation. Curious, did you weigh your pup at the vets office or on a home scale? Some scales are different. |
WOW!! Ya know the "genes" factor??? There is no way a person can guarante the size of a person or dog, cat, bird..... I have a son that is 21 and is still growing! He is 6ft 3. I am 5ft 6 and tall for my family, his dad was a big 5ft 10. Same goes for animals. If you can't love the baby the right way..try to sell him and recoup some of your losses. Then you buy a pup that is 18 months old that is FULL GROWN and you will end up with what you want. |
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I feel bad for you and hate it that you feel you got ripped off. What I don't understand is how you think you can get an puppy at 19 weeks (which is less than 5 months old) that weighs 1lb 10ounces and how you expect him to gain only 6 ounces and be a full grown 2lb dog?? That to me is very unrealistic. Do you realize how small a 5lb dog is?? My Mazee is under 6lbs and to me, she is a small dog-I love her size becasue she is able to run and play and is not a fragile dog. What do exactly want out of her? money? If you do go to court and she offers you your money back for the return of your dog, are you willing to do that? What is your puppy's name?? I would love to see pics of him, I bet he is adorable! I personally would call it a lesson learned and just go on, love my dog and wouldn't cause myself the grief of messing with court-but hey, that is just me :) |
Although as a breeder myself I can tell you that it is really hard to predict the exact weight of a puppy, it look like in your case , the breeder is misrepresenting the puppy. You dog should still be under 4 lbs what is really small, enough to be carry around in a purse. If you want it a VERY SMALL dog, here you go, you got one. Just enjoyed your new baby as he is. I think the breeder should give you some compensation. since the dog was already bigger then he suppose to become adult when you got him. That doesn't look like a mistake to me... As others already told you, if you are not happy with the dog , re home him or something. He deserved to be love... Very sorry you have to deal with that crap... Good luck with everything. |
The breeder probably was only guessing and that is the best we can do and most of us make no sizze guarantees. That would be foolish. Someone contacted me the other day and wanted a puppy that would weigh 7lbs. I told them to go buy them an adult dog. That is the only way to get the size you want. |
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I think the OP is mad because the breeder she got her dog from lied about the weight and it appears that she changed the weight on the paperwork from the vets. She also said she could get the same size dog where she lives for less than half what she paid for a dog she was told would be smaller. I've never heard anyone guarantee an adult weight either but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Sugarsmom, OMDogz! I went to look at the pics of your dogs and they are beautiful!!!!! Do you show them? Sorry, took a little rabbit run :D |
You bought this dog from a broker? How long did you research and search for your dog? How long were you in contact with this broker? Did you contact anyone else who had bought from this person for a referral? I could be wrong but I get the impression you are more concerned with having a purse puppy then you are about the dog.:confused: |
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It is very difficult to buy a dog without first seeing it. Especially if you are looking for specifics. It doesn't sound like your baby will be too big anyway. A 1.5 to 2lb dog??? hard to find and do you realize how big 2lbs is. It's like a guinea pig! I think you made mistakes here and you should have researched and saw exactly what you were buying before you lay out that kind of money. |
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I says she already had 3 "teacup" yorkies. I'm a little confused as to what this "very nice" breeder did. Everyone is very nice when they want to sell you something. When you buy something from a stranger you have to be aware. She is going on the fact that she talked to her a couple of times and she was nice. I don't think she has a case at all. I paid alot for my babies also. There would have to be a cold day in hell to get these guys away from me. There is no guarantee about size. I don't like the fact that the weight is scratched out but I think she is going a little overboard. Send the baby back if you don't want it. It is not like a wallet or something that you buy on the internet. If she has 3 "teacup" yorkies already then you think she would have more sense. Sorry my opinion. So what if it's bigger anyway. You got what you paid for. This baby doesn't sound like it will be big anyway. |
Where do you live? There was an interesting case in New York City a few years ago that involved the same issue, a person paying more for a "teacup" Maltese who ended up weighing eight pounds. O'Rourke v. American Kennels In this case the breeder was found to be in violation of Uniform Commercial Code because she mislead the buyer into believing she was getting a smaller "teacup" dog and charged $1,000 more for it. The owner was awarded the $1,000 difference in price by the court. |
about a purse puppy As far as I am concerned I wouldn't want anything under 5lbs.My little dog died as 15.I bought another from a breeder, she was very nice she had 3 puppies out of the litter I got,there were two very tiny ones,I told her I was going to sleep on it for the night,but I decided to get the last girl out of the litter, shews adorable. She said she would be about 6 or 7 lbs that was great for me, well she is going to be two in August and she turned out to be nine lbs.Never gave it a thought of returning her, she is so sweet, I just love her really to much if that i s possible. She is sweet, great temperment and love all adults,children and other dogs. I got her at 7 weeks which was young, she was completely house broke at 10 weeks,never had a night to adjust, she adjusted right away,what more could I ask for, a 2or 3 lber.No thanks I love my little gir just the way she is. Love,love,love he and she is not a barker, what more can I ask for. |
I understand your anger... you paid for something you didnt get. I hope you figure out everything and good luck with whatever you choose. I sure would like to see this pup!! |
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Ok for one, no breeder knows the size of what a puppy will end up, we can guess but only God knows that. Some grow slow and looks they will be small but keep growing after a year old. Then you have some that grow really fast but then stop growing at 6-7 months old. I don't think a court is going to doing anything about the size of a dog. For as what you paid that is about what a AKC Yorkie cost if in is within AKC standards, the ones that goes for $500 most the time will be out of standard or not from good bloodlines. I had to paid $2000 for a stud that end up almost 3lbs. But the bottom line is you ordered a dog off the net the same as you would a pair of jeans. It is a puppy, so you should have found a breeder close to you, so you could have went and saw how the puppy was raised and kept. Then you would have seen the size when you got there, if you did not want him you could have left. People should stop order puppies off the net, the only time this should happen is show breeders and if you know the breeder & her bloodlines , ect. You can not tell anything about a person over a phone or in a email. Sorry, but I am sure the puppy is very sweet and cute. All puppies is. (I will say for the size you think you want comes with low blood sugar, and you can't leave them. They are alot of work. I have yorkies of all sizes and my heart is with my 1st yorkie and she is 6.5 -7 lbs (my vet thinks she need to stay around 6-6.5 lb but she love her food!!) LOL |
It would be a better idea for you and the pups if you wouldn't buy from the internet, brokers, mills, etc. Instead, find a reputable breeder, visit the home, see the parents and the babies, read the contract, health reports etc, and THEN decide which baby you want to give a forever home to. Tinies are cute, no doubt but realistically, they are MUCH more difficult to raise. Mine is a bitty one at just 3 lbs and I don't know if she'll get any bigger but I sure hope she does! She is just so little, so easy to trip over or step on, and I am constantly worried about her getting hurt. They also have more health issues compared to the larger (if 5 lbs is actually considered large here:rolleyes:) dogs might have. Yes, you may have been duped a bit by her giving you the b.s weight guarantee but you should have known that wasn't possible in the first place. The price was great either way and you have to take your share of the responsibility here. You didn't do your research and you got bent. Lesson learned. (hopefully) I really hope you don't take this out on the pup and that you can love her and take care of her forever. If not, please rehome her, she doesn't deserve anything but the best! |
[ I really hope you don't take this out on the pup and that you can love her and take care of her forever. If not, please rehome her, she doesn't deserve anything but the best![/QUOTE] :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: very well said!!! |
Really the dog only weighs 12 more ounces than she said the dog did and that is not bad. He is still really small. I say keep the pup and love him. If he is healthy, that is more important than weight in my opinion. |
I dont think breeders can always tell how small a dog will be. I bought a girl who was 12 oz at 8 weeks and the breeder thought she would be about 3 lbs. I paid extra for her to be small. She is 6 lbs. It ssounds like your pup is still going to be small |
:doh: I say ~ 1. return the puppy back to the breeder/broker 2. decide if you truly want a pet or an accessory. 3. research the Yorkshire Terrier Breed 4. find a reputable breeder and I always say.... never assume anything. Know your facts before you make big decisions or moves. |
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