When it comes to a needless decision like this. Dont listen to a vet.:rolleyes:
I can only assume this "procedure" is expensive. Which = money for the vet.

MOST(i said MOST not all) vets loose sight in ethics and morals when they get all the money. Its a proven fact ya know. Vets dont know EVERYTHING about dogs. They Dont know everything that is good for dogs. Most do not study how things effect them emotionally, they look only at if it will take a long time for them to heal. Sorry kid, but your vet dont givva damn what happens to your dog. If he did, he wouldnt recommend it, and if he DOES care anything about you or your dog, he doesnt know anything about how it emottionally scars them ..

I mean, ask anyvet what to feed, and im sure youll get the same crappy response. hills science or iams. Ick
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That's awful sounding. :(

OMG. That poor dog on the vid. I bet hes frustrated..

And if i were that lab, id stop trying to get away before the owner amputated his legs. Or get away faster so my voice wasnt taken away! Its disguisting.

Tell ya what. I happen to be right here in Nashville, about 5 minutes from Vandy. I could help you out and take your babies off your hands and give them a good, loving home where their barks can be heard and welcomed! I can be there in the morning if you like.:)

I have a question... first and foremost, let me state, I am NOT FOR de-barking. I think that's awful. But I'm honestly curious, those of you who are against de-barking, why are you not (or maybe you are?) against tail docking? I personally do not think the procedure of tail docking is good, either. I do not think tail docking is "cruel" but I really find it to be a pointless procedure simply done for humans because certain things "look better" and I disagree with it. Tails are a natural part of a dog too and it's also a way to communicate with us, and other dogs, and express their emotions. I just find it to be the most pointless and dumb procedure ever. Jackson has a full tail, by the way.

I am not advocating debarking but I have heard a debarked yorkie and he did not sound like that. He barked like a normal dog but it was softer. I guess it does not effect all of them the same.

Like I said, I would not do it to my dogs but the OP was just asking opinions from those that have first hand experience about the procedure. I am sure that anyone that had done the procedure to their dog would not dare post on this thread or they would fear being tarred and feathered and ran out of town. I think it is horrible and cruel to keep dogs in crates but that does not mean I am going to come on here and berate everyone that crates their dogs. Everyone needs to show a little more respect to those that are just seeking advise and not slam them.

hey brit! i dont like docking either. And ear cropping. Eww. Just as bad

I personally am fully against tail docking. I can't believe they do this to these poor creatures. If I had known about this prior to our getting our puppy, I would have requested she NOT be docked. I still wish I had known then, what I know now. I wish Curly Mac had her tail.

Whats vandy? i know off topic.. But i was reading and i was like, whaaaaa? haha

I agree. That's kind of what I was trying to say.

It's the college she attends here in Nashville. Vanderbilt University.

Thanks for the replies - glad others feel the same way :)

I just think it's so pointless.

Sheesh People!
 

Actually... please forgive me for posting a video.

I thought she might like to know what it sounds like on a larger dog and see that it doesn't really fix the problem but just makes the dog sound different.

I didn't read what so many people had written but now looking through this I see that this young lady has been made into a grotesque for considering an operation and asking in earnest for people's opinions who are more familiar with said operation.

She asked for advice and some are sitting in judgement.

I think that many people on YT are very passionate and kindhearted, and I believe that these are admirable traits. However, some take this passion too far and forgetting their love, become very judgmental and narrow.

While this woman was asking for a advice she was met with harsh words and immaturity. When one young lady would ask for your valued opinions you would stone her.

I regret what I posted but I can't delete it now. I expect to be attacked for defending her, but it needed to be done.

Actually, I thought it was very helpful to post some actual information in this thread.

hmmmmmm....... Interesting.......:cool:

very, isn't it?:cool:

I have to wonder if some of the barking is due to the fact that he has to be hearing so many noises. I'm sure a building of dorm rooms has tons of activity going on at all hours. Then to add to it he's probably feeling your anxiety of keeping him quiet. He's probably really not barking as much as you think he is it's just that you can't afford for him to make a sound. How many more years do you have of college left and how long will you have to live in a dorm? Be aware that anyplace that does except pets will charge you extra rent for them. I'm wondering if you got these dogs after you knew already you wouldn't be able to have them in the dorms? Or did you just think you could have puppies and sneak them in and out? I can see that you love your babies but I hope that you'll love the one enough not to debark. I posted before and have a 2 year old that can only bark a whisper or a sqeak. I try to video this to upload for another thread but am having trouble figuring out how to get it on here. Heaven forbid she ever gets into any situation where she needs to be able to bark. I wish so much she could bark normally.

I understand what you are trying to say but, Wow the way you said was very hateful. I have not been part of this forum for long but I thought that this was a place to get advice and share concerns. I understand that we will not always agree with each other, but sometimes I think that we forget etiquette. We can disagree with someone without trying to be hurtful. I don’t know if you were trying to be hateful or not & I understand we all get passionate over certain issues but let’s not forget that she came to this forum for advice not to be attacked.

agreed :thumbup:

Just the way I see it....if this dog has a terrible issue with barking, even if she rehomed him, the problem will continue. So either the dog will end up getting debarked eventually, or he will go from home to home because no one wants to deal with the problem.
Also, debarking may be uncomfortable, maybe like getting your tonsils out? I don't think a dog is going to remember that forever. I have seen a lot of debarked dogs, and they still bark. I really don't think they are saying to themselves "oh crap, why doesn't anyone hear me". They still bark, they still are able to feel like they are alerting people. I don't believe they go into this deep depression over it.
I do not think it's something you should do on impulse, but I do not think that it is something that should never be done.
Sorry, but I don't feel like my animals are my children. I feel like they are animals, and that my children are my children. I love and respect all of my pets, horses, goats, cats, dogs, all of them, but I do see them as what they are, and not equal to my own children. That would be a giant insult to my family that I have actually birthed.

Listen, I'm not attacking anyone. I whole heartedly disagree with debarking a dog. There is NO reason for it and it's a horrible thing to do. Just because I don't sugar coat my opinion, doesn't make it wrong or hateful. It is JUST my opinion. This isn't a "nice" thread. Not a nice idea. Not a nice thing to even think about doing to an innocent creature. WHY then, am I to be so nice and sweet about my thoughts on this subject? I'm not trying to attack anyone, as a matter of fact, I offered to take the pups off her hands and give them a loving home where they could bark to their hearts content! That's not hateful.

I dont think he is barking anymore then anydog should. hes 10 months old. thats ussualy when yorkies find their voices. The problem is, it is going to be harder for her to lie and sneak her dog into a dorm room.. I think the problem is, he didnt bark before (because he was a puppy, sometimes it takes a while for them to find their real voice) The way she stated it was, it would be fine until uni started up again, because she doesnt have to hide him RIGHT now. She is being selfish about it.


FYI- if i respect anything, i do not take its voice away..

Wow. Now that is pretty much all that needs to be said on this entire subject! Wow!

You know I love you ;), but two wrongs don't make a right. I think it's always important to try to be respectful. I'd like to see a world where dogs AND people are treated kindly.

Hooks isn't even a year old , I don't think you can consider him a hard case yet. I would be surprised if a vet would even consider it without insisiting on some sort of professional training. Many pet owners say they have "tried everything" but you have to be very consistent, and if not done propertly, you can actually reinforce the barking. I think working out a program, and training every day, you will see get amazing results in a months time. However, you have to be very specific in the training.

I agree with this on sooo many levels. Well said.

Yes, you were attacking someone...in your first paragraph! That's my opinion!! If you are going to give scathing opinions, you can at least take some constructive criticism.

That's really beautiful, I got teary eyed.

And I love you just the same, I really do. But I honestly don't see where I'm wrong here. The thought of this makes me sick, really!!! Maybe my words aren't as easy going as some but the thought is the same and I don't wish harm or hate on anyone. I just can't believe that a person could do something like this for such selfish reasons....or pretty much any reason.

I don't condemn anyone here for thinking I'm harsh or whatever but I also can't condone this sort of thinking. Is it that she is young and easily offended? The majority of posters here agree that debarking is wrong, inhumane, etc but now I'm wrong for speaking my mind without the pretty paper and bows. That's not right. I have a huge respect for you and many others on this board and I'm not trying to get anyone wound up. I just said how I feel about this subject.

I am not here to agree or disagree. I love to read other people's posts and views.. but when some get down right rude.. and always the same negativity towards some one that does not agree with their views.. should learn some things you cannot change.leave the anger and sarcasim before coming to check out the fourms..

As some have pointed out.. s/n is no easier on a dog.. and yes it is done to save the pet population... or is it done for the lazy at heart..could go either way.. some people use altenative medicine for flea issues others use medcation from vets.. again some agree some disagree..I also can list more.. but other things have been already..there are too many to mention..

I met a breeder once who had some of her dogs debarked.. instead of insulting her I actually sat and listened to it all... She has one vet only she will go to.. the vet keeps the dog sadated for days.. to heal so the throat does not get used and the bark ends up to be a scratching annoying bark that some of you talk about. she says her vet believes that is the key to how it turns out... no damage is done after sugery doing it this way...

Many people have views.. and that is great.. but again some people need to realize that they can post with out the sarcasim and digs.. It happens a lot.. in fact on many more posts then not.. some may want to look back at there remarks and wonder if other aspects of their life could be attacked so badly all the time.. how would they feel.

I absolutly know I am by far not the only one who feels this way.. when a good respected breeder can come on here and post with out insults but can reason why.. maybe one should follow her footsteps instead of the angry ones..

Just remember.. how do some of you know this dog would be better off without the op.. and what to heck is this.. :eek: you cannot sneak a dog in all the time.. breaking the rules... if one person that has posted on here has never broken rules and could honestly say they would never sneak their beloved yorkie in to where ever, if ever put in the same position.. ask yourself how you would feel being jumped on..
Cause you love your dog.. made the commintment.. and others lighly say well you should not keep the dog but give it up..:eek: they are wrong..

Ya know some of you need to learn kindness... if your so upset all the time.. try avoiding some posts..

Again I could make a thread on just that.(people with the most know it all attitude all the time ) not saying some people do have lots of good points..but ya think it might go to some heads...

If people really wanted to be honest.. say using a different name.. I bet they would and could agree with me..and you know who you are.. and please do not carry this on to get the last word in ... you know who you are and we will leave it at that..I would not say this.. if I thought for one minute I am the only one that feels this way..
Your not a breeder and when good ethical breeders get tired of this attitude at times.. maybe you should find some good happy posts to posts on and you might even enjoy being on yt...

Sorry for the rant.. but man.. some people make a worse situation then the one making the thread asking for opinions.. some are no opinions.. it is like my way or the hwy attitude cause I know more...

Can some not do unto others as they would have them due onto them..
What is a bullie... school kids go through this.. this is just some words for though only...

anne

Please be nice to this girl.. for heavens sake.. one day what goes around.. comes around..