I will not trust breeders anymore
 

We bought 2 yorkie pups 4 mo. Ago from a breeder who said they will not be over 7 lbs, thats funny the male at 6 mo. Old is 9 lbs. And the female is 8 lbs. We bought them to start breeding but don't know what to do now, we will keep them for ever, don't want to breed to show just for loving pets that everyone can aford

I am sorry you feel the neeed to lump all of us in this group you are talking about. Any ETHICAL breeder knows there is no guarantee on size and any BUYER should have researched and also known this. I am glad you love your babies anyway.

Not knowing who your breeder is and it's none of my business. However, unless your breeder is line breeding and knows her line she can only guesstimate the size of a yorkie she can not guarantee. I don't know how old these pups were when you obtained them. But, a reputable breeder would/should not place place pups intended for breeding prior to the age of 7 months of age. You can't know prior to that if the dogs are of breeding quality and all tests that are required have been completed.

I don't know if you've bred before or this is an initial start, but you can't put the blame entirely on the breeder. The initial investigation, study of breeders and foot work has to be done by you.

I never tell anyone that they well this size. you just don't know . The male is to big for stud have him fixed and place him in a home. female is just right for breeding , use a 4-5lb stud. I hate people that breed 3-4 lbs females, way to size. I dont show but try tobreed to standard. good luck just remember breeding can be joyful and heartbreaking too. lily

its true all you can do is give your best guess on the weight and the ones that assure you of a size, are usually trying to get you to buy the puppy. i have been right on the money and i have been off a few pounds before. i would fix the little boy and either keep him or rehome him and get your another male. the female may be a good sturdy breeding female..unless she gets bigger as well, then you are breeding to far out in size. msot breeders tend to have several yorkies. you could fix and keep both and work towards another pair...it took me several males to get one the right size.

good luck, post pics!

Sounds like a pretty broad statement. Perhaps you should do more research on Yorkies, breeding, and breeders. Even Show Breeders have pets available and surprisingly affordable. Affordable pets do not need to be less healthy, or poor quality. Many of my puppies sold as pets, could Show, so I guess I wouldn't trust anyone wanting to breed for "just" pets.

No offense, but, isn't that an equally broad statement?

I personally wouldn't trust any breeder, show or otherwise, without doing some research, seeing their home and parents of the puppies, getting references, etc. I have learned to not just take someones word for it.

Where can we buy afordable show pups

Agreed. A breeding dog should meet all the conformations of a show dog. My opinion if the dog doesn't have these qualities then it shouldn't be bred. I've recently seen so many dogs out there that are a poor respresentation of the breed. Dogs that have been bred for pet, that are looking less and less like yorkies and even poor pet quality. They are sold when puppies and aren't all puppies cute. Then the growing process begins and the dog is no longer cute. Most of the pet owners accept this and love them with all their hearts. But, then there are those that are very disappointed and attempt to rehome these dogs, or worse yet off they go to shelters.

That is a pretty strong title you chose for your thread! There are literally thousands of breeders out there. Just because your breeder was silly enough to try to tell you the adult weights on tiny puppies, does not mean all breeders are untrustworthy.

Let's turn it around a second. You bought these two for a breeding pair. Tell me how much research you did on breeding, the Yorkshire standard, and your breeder before making the purchase? Did you look into the history of these two pups? What of the parents, grandparents and at least one more generation back? Have you spent time reading online and any books you could find on the Yorkshire Terrier and breeding toy dogs? IF you had done all of your homework, you would have known there is little a breeder can guarantee about the size of the dog as it grows. IF you had joined YorkieTalk and read through the posts here before purchaseing a breeding pair, you would have learned no one could guarantee the size AND you would have know what puppy weights convert to estimated adult weights. (We even have a chart for a guestimate -- but it is still only a that, not a guarantee). Many factors, most but not all of which, are genetics, go into the final size of a dog. A breeder that has had several generations of the dog and seen the mating of that dam and sire a few times, may have a pretty good idea, but there are still going to be anomalies from time to time.

Any time you buy puppies with breeding in mind it is a crap shoot. You have to wait and wait, and hope that they grow to the Yorkshire Terrier standard. You can tell some things as puppies, but other things like the coat, you have to wait and see how they mature. But you can narrow your odds by doing your homework, researching the breed, knowing what to look for in a puppy, and what to look for in a breeder. There are many red flags that can tell you which breeders might not be as trustworthy as you would like.

But please don't blame all breeders! There are some wonderful breeders in this world, several right here on YT that really care about their dogs and the future of the breed. But even the best of breeders will occasionally get an oversized dog. But they would have never sold it as a breeder.

Do your homework. Study breeders, interview, study pedigrees. Reputable breeders will not sell a dog with open registration to just anyone. Find a mentor, preferrably one that has been showing and breeding dogs for years with a good reputation.

We've all started somewhere, so just don't get disheartend. As one reputable breeder/exhibitor says; there are no shortcuts, if you want a shortcut go to a barber.

Just curious - How much did you spend on purchasing these two pups? Are they related? And do you know their pedigree/s? What do you consider affordable?

Most show breeders will ask that you show any pups/adults they will hope will be consider breedable and make you co-own. This is just the norm.

Just thinking - you bought two pups to be breed in the future when these pups were only 2 months old and the breeder sold you them with full registrations at this age to be bred???? Way too young!

Paid 500.00 each, don't want to show was just replying to deb

I paid $600 for an over the standard pet male. $500 isnt enough to pay for a breed worthy dog. Your going to pay a $1000 or more for a breed worthy dog

I understand you don't want to show. But, just let me clarify; reputable breeders will not sell their dogs on open registration to just anyone. Reputable breeders are breeding good representations of the breed; ones that should and mostely likely be able to be Championed.

You've made a blanket statement lumping all breeders into one category. We are trying to explain why that is unfair. We are attempting to offer advise, maybe a bit unsolicited, to steer you in the right direction.

Believe me you aren't the only one that has come on to YT wanting to breed, and has had to start all over again.

you sound like you know a lot are you a breeder or just someone with a lot to say?
Tina

Thanks for all your help, still don't know where to buy good quality pets at a affordable price like deb sillers said

You can start on YTCA.org. The site has some wonderful information on the standard, history and breeders. Go to shows, talk to breeders. There is a Regional Yorkie Club in Kansas City, MO, you can get their contact information from YTCA.org.

If there is a breeder out there that has pups for sell that wants to help start a new breeder please let me know, we just want to breed good dogs at a fair price

I think this site can help...
 

I've never heard any breeder, bad or good, that would guarantee an adult weight. That's not to say it didn't happen. I'm sure, like many, you trusted the breeder which is unfortunate and I'm sorry it happened that way for you. I def. wouldn't lump all breeders in the same category because it can offend the breeders that are good. In life, there are good and bad in everything. Unfortunately, it sounds like you got a bad one...sorry!

Anyway, I would have to agree that going to a show breeder for a pet that looks the way you want would be best. You could start a new post in your area if you're still looking. You could go to: Yorkshire Terrier club of America Also, there is a post on here that pretty much explains it very well:
The Real difference between a show dog and a pet

Hope that helps!!!

As I said before, there is no reputable breeder, on YT or anywhere else that will sell you breeding dogs without knowing you......

I think you are too hung up on price. Good breeders dont sell their pups for cheap prices. They have done testing on their breeding stock so they know they wont pass on things like liver shunt. They offer health guarantees. They have spent alot of time nuturing and socializing thhe pups getting them ready for their new homes. That isnt inexpensive and neither is their time

That's what I meant, it IS just as broad.. All breeders should have the same intentions. To breed for the best quality and the healthiest. Not just breed a male and female together to make affordable babies. There is nothing wrong with only placing in pet homes and never plan to Show, but knowing you bred those that could Show, should be our goal. I've seen poor pet quality sell for $1000's more than many pets sold from Breeders that concentrate on health and quality.
What I am saying is that there is already affordable pets available that have the quality, the health and the looks of a Yorkshire Terrier.

I see the OP is from Missouri Deb as are you and I. As we all know (me from past experience and not knowing enough when I purchased) there are a lot of bad breeders in our state. That being said then we have some like Deb with beautiful puppies. I have to admit my DH and I discusses breeding when we retired and thought about it when we bought Laddy. That was BEFORE I found YT and all you informative breeders and read and read. For me I decided to leave it to those of you who have spent years perfecting the breed. Hopefully if this person is really interested in being a good breeder they too will do their homework and get a mentor as all of you have suggested. Thank God for YT.:rolleyes:

The key word is "pets" You paid an affordable price for a "pet" not breeding quality. Would you be selling pups for less than $500? If you purchase breeding rights, you are purchasing our testing, our knowledge, our lines, our goals and our reputations.. My "pets" are priced reasonably, but if you are purchasing to carry on what I've worked for.. bascially purchasing "part of me" then I come a little higher priced. ;)

I am so so sorry that you bought your dogs with the intention of breeding and ended up with something that you didn't expect. I am sure you must be so frustrated and disapionted. I hope that you will be able to look back on this later and see that it was a great opportunity to learn. You must have a love for the breed, seeing that you were looking to start a breeding program. And I am sure that you want to produce yorkies that are good quality and look and act like yorkies.

I would suggest doing lots of research, this is a difficult breed to "get right" you can put any two dogs together and have puppies but if you don't know what lines your breeding from and how they grow and if they should be paired together at all, you can end up with any number of uncertainties, such as major health problems(LS is a huge one in this breed) or dogs that grow too large, the list could go on and on.

When you are buying a puppy your are also paying for the breeder, keep this in mind when you purchase your next one. You are paying for their time and effort, their knowlege and their quality. Make sure your breeder is one that will guide you through your first litters. If you feel a person is untrustworthy or lacking the knowlege of their lines or breed then don't purchase them:) They should be just as careful when selling open reg to you, as you are spending your hard earned money and trusting someone again.

I am not a breeder but have done alot of reasearch since I bought my first yorkie. He came from someone who put 2 cute dogs together to make "Pets" and now he is a cute little dog with big health problems.

It is a broad statement, and there are good breeders out there.. you just have to find them. What did this breeder tell you about the lines that your pups were coming from? Did she know you were buying with the intention to some day breed? After being on this site one thing that I think stands out the most to me when researching breeders is that they are selling their pups with limited registrations. Anyway, your blanket statement seems unfair... there are a ton of bad breeders out there, but there are some great breeders too