The Real difference between a show dog and a pet

[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

....Have you ever tried the show ring? You actually might like it

Thank you so much for that clarification.

No, I have not tried showing. My mom used to show Shelties so I am not unfamiliar with the idea, but I have not done it myself. I just could not at this time in my life. Maybe after my son goes to college as I will probably have lots of "empty nest" hours that I can devote. Right now, with varsity baseball and football, and all of the showcases trying to intice colleges -- our weekends are very full. He is sort of my "show" right now.

I think I might like it too. We'll see what the future brings.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by FlDebra

Thank you so much for that clarification.

No, I have not tried showing. My mom used to show Shelties so I am not unfamiliar with the idea, but I have not done it myself. I just could not at this time in my life. Maybe after my son goes to college as I will probably have lots of "empty nest" hours that I can devote. Right now, with varsity baseball and football, and all of the showcases trying to intice colleges -- our weekends are very full. He is sort of my "show" right now.

I think I might like it too. We'll see what the future brings.

Maybe one day you can give it a try.

You see, I would have never done this or even bred when my daughter was at home because I wouldn't have been able to devote all my time to this wonderful breed. I, like you, my daughter came first and then I got started with yorkies. I had dogs all my life good thing I didn't start this endeavor until I raised my daughter as I too, was gone with her on weekends doing things with her sports ect... Breeding and showing yorkies is a full time job and I'm lucky enough to have another job that is so understanding when it comes time to whelp and I'm off in the summers. When I do breed I really try and work it so that I have puppies in the summer so I can devote my time to them. Very rarely do I have a litter when I'm in school at work.
When my daughter was a child, she and I rode horses and thank goodness that wasn't as involved as my dogs are now.
Please understand, if there is something that I say regarding breeding and showing and anyone that is doing their best to breed to the best of the representation of this wonderful breed showing or not then my comments should really have no baring on anyone here and shouldn't feel the need to defend themselves I hope that made sense LOL

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[westieboy]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

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I posted earlier about a pair I have and their pups. When they had their litter, I waited until they were 3 months old and took them to see a long-time exhibitor I know to have her help me evaluate them. She told me I "had hit the jackpot" with the pups. She is a no-nonesense lady that, like most of the exhibitors here, can be brutally honest. Now, even given that, I take her opinion with a grain of salt (they were only 3 months old, after all) but do feel they were high quality pups.

Could you post a pic of the pups?

[QuickSilver]

I believe he did, they are a page or two back. They are gorgeous!

[westieboy]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I believe he did, they are a page or two back. They are gorgeous!

I found them. I think they are very cute but not show quality. Any breeders care to comment on this?

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by westieboy

I found them. I think they are very cute but not show quality. Any breeders care to comment on this?

I found the puppies to be very pretty but I can't make a comment to your question because I couldn't give a fair one simply because hard to tell in pictures without physically seeing the dog and putting my hands on them, seeing them gait/move ect....

[Woogie Man]

The pics I posted are of the pups at 7 months old. Donna is right in that you really have to see a dog in person and put you hands on them. I said in my post that I thought the male had the most potential but, at 7 months, is still a little early to tell.

They do fit into what I like about a Yorkie. There is a written standard that is open to interpretation. Briefly, I like an elegant dog but one that still has obvious terrier aspects. I like an effortless, athletic gait, which these pups have. I also like their coats, which are not thin but not so thick as to hide the dog's structure. Their coats had a very cool silk feel with no cottony texture. The coat hangs well front to rear without a hint of waviness.

Of course, this is just me talking...take it for that. It's not like seeing them in person, I know. I don't mind honest critiques of them at all. I said before that there are things I'd like to see as time goes on. None of us has the perfect Yorkie. I just feel I am a good place and am happy with the results I've seen up to now.

Thanks for your opinion. I do appreciate it. BTW, I really love the Westies.
Jim

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

The pics I posted are of the pups at 7 months old. Donna is right in that you really have to see a dog in person and put you hands on them. I said in my post that I thought the male had the most potential but, at 7 months, is still a little early to tell.

They do fit into what I like about a Yorkie. There is a written standard that is open to interpretation. Briefly, I like an elegant dog but one that still has obvious terrier aspects. I like an effortless, athletic gait, which these pups have. I also like their coats, which are not thin but not so thick as to hide the dog's structure. Their coats had a very cool silk feel with no cottony texture. The coat hangs well front to rear without a hint of waviness.

Of course, this is just me talking...take it for that. It's not like seeing them in person, I know. I don't mind honest critiques of them at all. I said before that there are things I'd like to see as time goes on. None of us has the perfect Yorkie. I just feel I am a good place and am happy with the results I've seen up to now.

Thanks for your opinion. I do appreciate it. BTW, I really love the Westies.
Jim

I can say what I do like and it's the boy's face! I love his ear set. I can't however comment on structure because you have to see that in person and that is where it's good to get a show breeder's perspective in person like taking them to puppy matches ect...I know it's just one judge's and or show breeder's opinion but it does help evaluate your breedings. I personally like an elegant yorkie and up on leg I do think the puppy is very pretty. I do love his expression and the way he holds his ears they are very expressive. I do love that in a show dog
See I'm not a bad person and can make postive comments LOL

Donna

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I can say what I do like and it's the boy's face! I love his ear set. I can't however comment on structure because you have to see that in person and that is where it's good to get a show breeder's perspective in person like taking them to puppy matches ect...I know it's just one judge's and or show breeder's opinion but it does help evaluate your breedings. I personally like an elegant yorkie and up on leg I do think the puppy is very pretty. I do love his expression and the way he holds his ears they are very expressive. I do love that in a show dog
See I'm not a bad person and can make postive comments LOL

Donna

Hahaha....Donna, I've never said you were a bad person. You, and some of the other exhibitors, remind me of the exhibitor I know in the way you speak (post). The only thing is, the lady I know is a middle-aged English lady with a very proper accent....so that is how I 'hear' you all when you post LOL.

I would never have posted the pics without expecting honest critiques. I really don't mind. I would like to ask you if you think my interpretation of the standard is one to strive for. To me, the Yorkie is such a spectacular but sporty dog and I don't want to breed for elegance at the expense of their Terrier roots. I hope my goal is a valid and attainable one.

Thanks for your input and I never take offense in someone fairly assessing my dogs....Jim

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Hahaha....Donna, I've never said you were a bad person. You, and some of the other exhibitors, remind me of the exhibitor I know in the way you speak (post). The only thing is, the lady I know is a middle-aged English lady with a very proper accent....so that is how I 'hear' you all when you post LOL.

I would never have posted the pics without expecting honest critiques. I really don't mind. I would like to ask you if you think my interpretation of the standard is one to strive for. To me, the Yorkie is such a spectacular but sporty dog and I don't want to breed for elegance at the expense of their Terrier roots. I hope my goal is a valid and attainable one.

Thanks for your input and I never take offense in someone fairly assessing my dogs....Jim

LOL Jim, I know you wouldn't think that of me Some, however, do unfortunately. I know an English proper show breeder/exhibitor lady and I guess I listen to her alot...she's been a handler and breeder for a long time and was the one that bred and handled of the top winning yorkies that held the BISS record for a long time until it was broken this year but Tyava's Sure Shot so I do know what ya mean LOL..
Take my Radar, he's what I would call an elegant dog up on leg but he's very agile as in sporty and has a very terrier attitude so yes I do believe your goal is valid and attainable as long as you breed the best you can I think you have the right idea.

Donna

[westieboy]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Thanks for your opinion. I do appreciate it. BTW, I really love the Westies.
Jim

Again, your dogs are very cute and I would love to have a yorkie like yours.

My westie was a show dog reject but I love her anyway. Her breeder has some of the top westies in the country and she was thinking about keeping my girl but at the end, she knew she wasn't going to make weight.

[QuickSilver]

I think Brooklynn's comments might have been for others. I for one am shocked and amazed!



No, not really.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Hahaha....Donna, I've never said you were a bad person. You, and some of the other exhibitors, remind me of the exhibitor I know in the way you speak (post). The only thing is, the lady I know is a middle-aged English lady with a very proper accent....so that is how I 'hear' you all when you post LOL.

I would never have posted the pics without expecting honest critiques. I really don't mind. I would like to ask you if you think my interpretation of the standard is one to strive for. To me, the Yorkie is such a spectacular but sporty dog and I don't want to breed for elegance at the expense of their Terrier roots. I hope my goal is a valid and attainable one.

Thanks for your input and I never take offense in someone fairly assessing my dogs....Jim

Hi Jim hope you don't mind if i jump in. I looked at the pictures of the two you posted earlier on in the thread. If it is ok, I thnik they look very nice from what I can see, nice heads/earsets, colour looks promising likely.
However, Donna is right, without hands on, hard to know what faults might be there. What you want to look for as they are on the move, is level topline and movement where the front is not choppy and the rear is not to far under the dog but moving out. Tail should be up. Without the tail up, it will throw off the topline etc.
Also, at their age, if the structure is fairly good, they would still be show potentials. I'll tell you, the yorkie is one of the hardest breeds to work with. Something can still go off before they are a year old.
Also, bite should be a scissor bite, even is ok, under or overshot or wry mouth is considered a bad fault by many breeders. If you use a bad bite in a breeding progem you will have a very hard time breeding it out again. Darn near impossible.
My mentor told me when I got started is that when you see a good structure on a Yorkie it will take your breath away when you watch it move. That's what i look for , one that takes my breath away when it moves in the ring or are all forward focused on something and moving across my backyard.
I love getting a friend to move a dog on lead for me so I can see for myself how they move for the ring.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

LOL Jim, I know you wouldn't think that of me Some, however, do unfortunately. I know an English proper show breeder/exhibitor lady and I guess I listen to her alot...she's been a handler and breeder for a long time and was the one that bred and handled of the top winning yorkies that held the BISS record for a long time until it was broken this year but Tyava's Sure Shot so I do know what ya mean LOL..
Take my Radar, he's what I would call an elegant dog up on leg but he's very agile as in sporty and has a very terrier attitude so yes I do believe your goal is valid and attainable as long as you breed the best you can I think you have the right idea.

Donna

And we are speaking about the ever famous Kay Joiner and Team Oliver

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by QuickSilver

I think Brooklynn's comments might have been for others. I for one am shocked and amazed!



No, not really.

LOL...not hard to pick out those that think that And honestly I do accept that and realize that and it really doesn't bother me whether anyone likes me or not, I'm not in this to make friends and have everyone like me, I'm in it for the love of the breed and the love the yorkie brings me. Only in a perfect world would everyone like everyone that crosses their paths. Everyone has that choice and I respect it I've always said my yorkies are more loyal than humans
Donna