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Gigi485 · 05-13-2009, 08:29 AM

Does anyone know what happens to puppies that don't sell at a pet store?

The pet store I go to to buy our food has 3 puppies that have been there since late January. The price keeps going down and still no one is buying them. Must be the economy I'm guessing....I'm so tempted to "rescue" and buy one of them cause I can't for the life of me imagine what will happen to them if they don't sell. They look so sad.

txrosegirl · 05-13-2009, 08:32 AM

i never thought about it and uuggggh not sure i want to know

i can only imagine what pet stores would do with those poor babies

i have heard rumors about what they do but am not going to say anything because i do not want to be spreading false rumors if they end up being untrue

mimimomo · 05-13-2009, 08:34 AM

Poor babies...I also wonder about that too...hope someone that knows will answer. Maybe you can possibly ask the pet store?? I would think since the price keeps going down, maybe you'll be able to adopt one of them special pups. There's no petstores around my area that sells puppies (fortunately)...if they did, I don't think I'll be able to go in there...

LilMissy · 05-13-2009, 08:34 AM

Don't do it! You will just be opening up a cage for another puppymill puppy. This is the exact same reason that we bought our pug dog from a petstore 8 yrs ago. We felt sorry for her because noone was buying her. I knew nothing then about puppymills. We now have a dog with numerous health problems and I'm surprised that she has made it to age 8. I'm not expecting too much more time with her.

Ladymom · 05-13-2009, 08:59 AM

Please, please, never "rescue" a pet store puppy! You will only guarantee that more dogs will suffer in puppy mills to produce more puppies to fill the empty cage.

Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner

Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there.

Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies.

I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know.

Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem.

If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills.

As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? It's expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous!

Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it.

Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage.

It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. It's all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something.

Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year.

There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too!

I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to.

Gigi485 · 05-13-2009, 08:59 AM

I know, I know, I shouldn't have done it - but that's how I got Sully. We saw him before xmas and no one was buying him and he was getting bigger and bigger and apparently no one wanted a bigger yorkie. His price kept going down. He started at $1,800 and after xmas he went down in price and every week I kept going back and he was still there and we would hold him and he would just look at me like he was saying "get me out of here!" and finally - I couldn't take it anymore. When he went down to $950 - I said screw this - I can't imagine what they're going to with this 5 month old puppy that won't sell so we bought him. He's the best puppy in the world. So loving, and healthy thank goodness. Yeah, he's 11 pounds but he's worth his weight in gold and I love him and look at it as I "saved him".

Please don't blast me with insults for buying at a pet store...I'm only human and my heart was breaking for his little soul.

I swore I would never do it again, but my heart is breaking again for this other "older" pup that is stuck there. I guess I should just stay away from the store - but it's really hard.

gkathleenw · 05-13-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Please, please, never "rescue" a pet store puppy! You will only guarantee that more dogs will suffer in puppy mills to produce more puppies to fill the empty cage.

Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner

Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there.

Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies.

I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know.

Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem.

If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills.

As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? It's expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous!

Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it.

Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage.

It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. It's all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something.

Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year.

There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too!

I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to.

OMG! Where did you get this? How Sad!

chachi · 05-13-2009, 09:11 AM

If they keep reducing the price someone will come along and buy the pup

Ladymom · 05-13-2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachi

If they keep reducing the price someone will come along and buy the pup

And then another one will take it's place. The cycle will not end until people stop buying pet shop puppies.

Gigi485 · 05-13-2009, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ladymom

And then another one will take it's place. The cycle will not end until people stop buying pet shop puppies.

You are 100% right and I'm not going to shop there anymore. Thanks for not blasting me for my "confession" of getting Sully at that pet store. I was a bit weary about "coming out of the pet store closet" cuz I know how passionate people on here are and can be.

Until I came on this website - I was oblivious to all this puppy mill stuff - now that I know a little more, it's harder for me to justify going there. If I hadn't learned so much here - that other pup would have already been at my house over a month ago.

ARCHIE · 05-13-2009, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigi485

You are 100% right and I'm not going to shop there anymore. Thanks for not blasting me for my "confession" of getting Sully at that pet store. I was a bit weary about "coming out of the pet store closet" cuz I know how passionate people on here are and can be.

Until I came on this website - I was oblivious to all this puppy mill stuff - now that I know a little more, it's harder for me to justify going there. If I hadn't learned so much here - that other pup would have already been at my house over a month ago.

Your not alone. Buddy was purchased from a pet store. Yes, I
too was lucky. Today I won't even go into one. I don't purchase
a thing from stores that sell puppy's or kitten's.

megansmomma · 05-13-2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigi485

You are 100% right and I'm not going to shop there anymore. Thanks for not blasting me for my "confession" of getting Sully at that pet store. I was a bit weary about "coming out of the pet store closet" cuz I know how passionate people on here are and can be.

Until I came on this website - I was oblivious to all this puppy mill stuff - now that I know a little more, it's harder for me to justify going there. If I hadn't learned so much here - that other pup would have already been at my house over a month ago.

Because I think you are a sweetheart and we all make mistakes. Now stay out of that pet store

..................................

LilMissy · 05-13-2009, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

Your not alone. Buddy was purchased from a pet store. Yes, I
too was lucky. Today I won't even go into one. I don't purchase
a thing from stores that sell puppy's or kitten's.

Me neither. I will not even by pet supplies in a store that sells puppies. It's best to just avoid those stores if you can't resist the temptation of buying a puppy.

Gigi485 · 05-13-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Because I think you are a sweetheart and we all make mistakes. Now stay out of that pet store

..................................

Thanks Momma - I promise I will.

KJLive · 05-13-2009, 11:37 AM

OK. I confess. I too bought my Yorkie from a pet store. She's happy, healthy, energetic and loving. However, after all I learned on this site, I will NEVER do it again. We've determined that. However, we still didn't answer the question of "what happens to these pet store puppies". We know now not to buy from a Pet Store because they are often puppymill/brokered dogs. But I just keep asking myself "what about these puppies?" I feel like we are punishing the puppies by not buying them simply because of their owners bad acts? I realize we are supporting puppy mills by buying at pet stores but what else would happen to the dogs? That frightens and worries me too. It's like a vicious cycle and I don't know how to make it end? Even if we close down every puppymill/broker in the world, we will still be left with puppies who were born before the shut down that will need homes. What do we do with them? This whole thing breaks my heart because it feels like there is no answer?

05-13-2009, 08:29 AM	#1
Gigi485 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Methuen, MA USA Posts: 306	What do they do with older pups? Does anyone know what happens to puppies that don't sell at a pet store? The pet store I go to to buy our food has 3 puppies that have been there since late January. The price keeps going down and still no one is buying them. Must be the economy I'm guessing....I'm so tempted to "rescue" and buy one of them cause I can't for the life of me imagine what will happen to them if they don't sell. They look so sad.

05-13-2009, 08:32 AM	#2
txrosegirl owned by my monkeys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: far north dallas, texas Posts: 1,866	i never thought about it and uuggggh not sure i want to know i can only imagine what pet stores would do with those poor babies i have heard rumors about what they do but am not going to say anything because i do not want to be spreading false rumors if they end up being untrue __________________ lyn ~ miss buffey, sir bentley and baby bree ~ RIP sweet gino - mommy will always love you please click to give FREE food - the animal rescue site

05-13-2009, 08:34 AM	#3
mimimomo Don't Litter Spay&Neuter Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 9,874	Adopt, don't Shop! Poor babies...I also wonder about that too...hope someone that knows will answer. Maybe you can possibly ask the pet store?? I would think since the price keeps going down, maybe you'll be able to adopt one of them special pups. There's no petstores around my area that sells puppies (fortunately)...if they did, I don't think I'll be able to go in there... __________________ Jenny Mimi Momo Princess Turbo Madan Pin Brush: www.toplinepet.com

05-13-2009, 08:34 AM	#4
LilMissy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 3,421	Don't do it! You will just be opening up a cage for another puppymill puppy. This is the exact same reason that we bought our pug dog from a petstore 8 yrs ago. We felt sorry for her because noone was buying her. I knew nothing then about puppymills. We now have a dog with numerous health problems and I'm surprised that she has made it to age 8. I'm not expecting too much more time with her. __________________ Shaunna with Missy (my princess) & Dora (my tomboy)

05-13-2009, 08:59 AM	#5
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	Please, please, never "rescue" a pet store puppy! You will only guarantee that more dogs will suffer in puppy mills to produce more puppies to fill the empty cage. Thanks from Your Local Pet Store Owner Thank you so much for buying a puppy from my pet store. Your business is important to me. After all, selling puppies is how I make my living. Every person deserves to make a living, don't they? I've gotta tell you, the pet store business is a tough one. With live merchandise you have all these extra rules and regulations the do gooders forced on us. Well they didn't make me do anything different, except now I gotta fill out a lot more paperwork. But is worth it. Puppies and kittens are important to my business and there are plenty of buyers out there. Some people are trying to make out like pet stores are evil or something. I always get a big snicker from the sanctimonious twits who talk bad about pet shops but are always coming into my store to see the "poor puppies." They just can't seem to stop themselves. And they almost never leave without buying something. Having puppies in the store is an important part of selling the other merchandise. I try to put the puppies where people can see them as they walk by the store. That draws them in. I can make money without even selling the puppies. I don't see why selling puppies in my pet store is any worse than raising any other kind of livestock. At least most of my puppies live longer than eight weeks! I've heard that most pet store puppies live one or two years and some much longer, eight or ten years! Much longer than chickens. I treat my puppies very well while they are here. And I use approved methods for disposing of the unsalable ones. I care about these puppies and don't want them to suffer, you know. Do I support "puppy lemon laws"? Well they are a bit of nuisance but they don't really affect my business. It's not like a guarantee on a toaster you know. People get attached. They don't want to return the puppy. Anyway contagious disease isn't a big problem. If I get something really contagious like Parvo I take quick action. All the puppies in the store are put down right away. Everything is disinfected and a new supply of puppies brought in. Often I have to fill the empty space with puppies from another breeder but quick action limits my costs and means I won't end up on the hook for a lot of vet bills. As for other kinds of disease like hip dysplasia and such well frankly it just isn't a big concern. Most of this stuff doesn't show up for a long time. And the legislation doesn't cover it because it can happen even to the hobby breeder. Someone once asked me why I didn't check for genetic disease. It was all I could do not to call the person an idiot! Why should I check for genetic disease? It's expensive and almost no one ever asks so obviously they don't care. And anyway I give a six month guarantee. Pretty generous! Not that I've ever had to pay off or anything. I have had a couple people complain but I always make sure to carefully explain that the best thing to do for their poor suffering puppy is to "put it to sleep." Most people will take the puppy away and not bother me any more about it. Any one who walks into my store and wants to know about the health of my puppies I just tell them that they are very healthy! Of course if they want to know about genetic diseases I have to use a different strategy. First I try to explain that its always the fault of the owner if a dog gets something like patellar luxation or hip dysplasia. If they get nasty or something I ask them if they really want to buy a dog from a hobby breeder? I'm a professional, I make my living off of dogs. I breed lots and lots of puppies. I sell most of them. After all its very hard to resist that cute little puppy in the cage. It's very simple. Every time someone buys a puppy I make at least $100, quite a bit more if they buy the puppy when its little. Yeah, puppies are cute, but you can't afford to get too sentimental. Puppy selling is a business and if you don't treat it as such then you can't stay in the game. It's all about cost/risk/benefit. If you lose sight of that you better get out of the business, just sell supplies or something. Despite what everyone says there is a large market out there for pet store puppies. There is absolutely no need to waste good money of hip tests and other such crap. The truth is simple. Even when people know better the puppies are so cute that they just can't help themselves so they buy them. Heee hee Pretty cool. It doesn't look good to have lots of empty cages so I make sure I always have puppies on the way. Sometimes I get a bit of a scare, though. Like last year. There was a lot a bad press about pet stores and all of the sudden no one was buying. Well of course if I'm not selling the ones in the store its pretty stupid to be breeding more, so I told my staff to hold back a bit. I was afraid for a short time that I was going to actually have to stop breeding entirely. No point in breeding if you aren't selling. Fortunately as the puppies that we had for sale got older some of those do gooder types started to get worried. I made sure my staff played off on this. They were told that if anyone asked what happened to the unsold puppies that they should just look real sad and say that they were "taken care of." I liked that. A real noncommittal answer and the absolute truth too! I told the staff not to use a larger cage too, that would make the puppies look bigger and sadder. So of course the puppies were "rescued" from my shop. I got enough money to cover the costs of keeping them, a small profit, and the scare was over. Back to breeding. As long as there are buyers I'm going to keep raising puppies and selling them in my store. No reason not to. __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

05-13-2009, 08:59 AM	#6
Gigi485 YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Methuen, MA USA Posts: 306	I'm guilty I know, I know, I shouldn't have done it - but that's how I got Sully. We saw him before xmas and no one was buying him and he was getting bigger and bigger and apparently no one wanted a bigger yorkie. His price kept going down. He started at $1,800 and after xmas he went down in price and every week I kept going back and he was still there and we would hold him and he would just look at me like he was saying "get me out of here!" and finally - I couldn't take it anymore. When he went down to $950 - I said screw this - I can't imagine what they're going to with this 5 month old puppy that won't sell so we bought him. He's the best puppy in the world. So loving, and healthy thank goodness. Yeah, he's 11 pounds but he's worth his weight in gold and I love him and look at it as I "saved him". Please don't blast me with insults for buying at a pet store...I'm only human and my heart was breaking for his little soul. I swore I would never do it again, but my heart is breaking again for this other "older" pup that is stuck there. I guess I should just stay away from the store - but it's really hard.

05-13-2009, 09:11 AM	#8
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	If they keep reducing the price someone will come along and buy the pup __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

05-13-2009, 11:37 AM	#15
KJLive Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lebanon, PA, USA Posts: 1,162	OK. I confess. I too bought my Yorkie from a pet store. She's happy, healthy, energetic and loving. However, after all I learned on this site, I will NEVER do it again. We've determined that. However, we still didn't answer the question of "what happens to these pet store puppies". We know now not to buy from a Pet Store because they are often puppymill/brokered dogs. But I just keep asking myself "what about these puppies?" I feel like we are punishing the puppies by not buying them simply because of their owners bad acts? I realize we are supporting puppy mills by buying at pet stores but what else would happen to the dogs? That frightens and worries me too. It's like a vicious cycle and I don't know how to make it end? Even if we close down every puppymill/broker in the world, we will still be left with puppies who were born before the shut down that will need homes. What do we do with them? This whole thing breaks my heart because it feels like there is no answer?