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[westbranchmama]

I just bought 2 AKC registered yorkies from a woman who I now think is a puppy mill person! here is the story she told me: both 2 years old ,1 male 1 female, unfixed. Good with children, housebroken, up to date on shots, female de-barked...both sound physically! Very cute little tykes and they had had a ltter together of 6 pups a year ago. O.K. I go to look at them and she has the boys AKC registeration but not the girls? she has it in her possession but it has never been updated from the last owner. I take the dogs all their info...basically becasue i want to save them and withhold money from the payment until I get her papers straightened out. meanwhile I soon discover neither one is housebroke...she can bark as good as he can...not good with kids don't think they have ever seen a child ! AND they had to have all their shots updated and new cuz her records didn't reflect any current shots! Another $240, with worm check and heartworm meds for spring. He is not sound..if from injury ( he is a real jumper!) or congenital hard to tell ???? Now it was my dream to start with these two dogs and build a kennel...been my dream for 40 some years !!!! 3 days after we get them she goes into heat! causing me to devise what I call Heidi's dietie! We also have large pom male fixed. Woman keeps giving me the run around about papers says she's mailed for them but I never get them??? Wants her money...not until i get papers baby cakes! Also I feel i have been lead FAR astray and she is not entitled to the rest of the money becasue of the lies !!! Final conclusions.. Will keep them as pets but I still want her papers as they were promised to me!!! they are learning and I sure as heck have!!! they are wonderful little dogs who just needed someone to love them! I guess she could still be bred but after reading these posts.. I think I will just keep her safe and get the surgeries scheduled for both of them! Thanks buds
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[FlDebra]

Originally Posted by westbranchmama

Woman keeps giving me the run around about papers says she's mailed for them but I never get them??? Wants her money...not until i get papers baby cakes! Also I feel i have been lead FAR astray and she is not entitled to the rest of the money becasue of the lies !!! Final conclusions.. Will keep them as pets but I still want her papers as they were promised to me!!!

Sounds like you got into a bad deal all right and glad you are scheduling them for spay & neuter. It is rare to run across two adult dogs for sale together that are going to be of the caliber you need for a breeding program. If they were great, why would a breeder want to sell them? What were their histories? If she bred them before, why were the papers never in her name? How did she register the litter? Lots of questions..... but, if she does come up with the papers I think you will have no choice but to pay her the rest of the money.

If her shots were out of date (not just due) then maybe you could deduct just the cost of the shots, but not the visit and deworming (unless they did have worms). What did your contract say? Did it list dates for last shots?

Debarking does not make it so they cannot bark, just supposed to be less noisy and shrill. So, she may have actually had the procedure done, just not as effective as some. I think it is a rotten thing to do to a dog anyway. They bark for a reason. Probably needing attention.

She could probably say the house-training issue was just stress of a new home and the children issue -- again subjective and hard to prove. That is why I am saying legally you will probably have to pay her the rest of the money.

As far as the unsound (injury or congenital?) male, do you mean he has a knee or other joint issue? Did you get a health guarantee in the contract? Anything in there to help you? Most contracts from puppymill people do little more than protect the seller and list all of the things they won't be responsible for. But you never know. If it did guarantee health for a set time period and you got the condition documented by your vet, there may be some recourse there. But that may involve giving the dog back.

But, if the contract does not cover these incidents in detail, you will probably still be liable for the money due. I know it is not fair, but that is how puppy mills continue to operate. They don't give a contract that has enough protection for the buyer.

[westbranchmama]

Thanks for all the advise.....I intend to pay her the money that was never a problem but she isn't getting it until and unless I get Heidi's papers.. She can take me to court if she wants...she will lose cuz she will be caught in her lies by the emails she sent me. The newest one just now in fact was : from her, i sent the papers out Sat. I've been very busy please send me your mail address as I lost it..... now pray tell how she sent them oput Sat. if she has no address???? just how stupid does she think I am??? The email before that said : I sent the papers out last Tues. registered mail it may take 3 to 5 days for them to reach you... We live 100 apart! So supposedly she has sent them twice without the benefit of my address???????????? PLEASE! The problem with Levi's knee was it moves around in the joint... on a scale of 0 to 4 the vet rates the injury he said levi's knee was a 1 if it was a 3 he would be limping visabily. Since he had a clean bill of health a year ago it may be an injury or congenital..no way to know for sure....so I don't want to take chances bringing pups with congenital issues in the world. This woman is a wacko in my book.