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yorkiepaws 04-14-2009 02:47 PM

I think she looks like a yorkie. Just looks like her hair hasn't caught up with her features yet. I think if her hair grows out, she will defintately look like a yorkie. Either way, she is as cute as a button. I love her ears!:)

Abby08 04-14-2009 02:54 PM

Your dog is very cute! I don't think it should take 8 months to tell whether your dog is a Yorky though! Did you get to see both parents? Does the breeder raise chuahuas also? Possible to get DNA from both parents and check against puppy?

My dogs ears were big while she was a puppy and her tongue just seemed too long to fit in her mouth, but the rest of her grew into everything eventually ;)

rebeccag 04-14-2009 02:54 PM

Thanks, she is sweet! We start puppy classes soon! Can't wait!!!!!!!!! I'm waiting until they both have all 3 sets of shots and then it's off to school....

rebeccag 04-14-2009 03:31 PM

Thanks. According to the breeder she has no chuahuas because I called and mentioned it after my mother in law asked me what mix she was (I was horrified). I'm getting her DNA checked on Saturday. I did see both parents according to the breeder and they were soooooooooooo cute!!!!!!!!! She didn't look like the mom at all but had the dad's coloring????????? Not too sure I was looking at actual parents....I defineately would never buy from a breeder who has many dogs and this is the second breeder who claims to have many years experience....I'm beginning to wonder if that's a good thing or not...No offense to those who are good breeders it's just I haven't had the best of luck with the experienced ones....

Ladymom 04-14-2009 04:19 PM

How long will it take to get the results of the DNA test?

This breeder sounds like a typical backyard breeder. BYB's have no idea what is in the background of the dogs they breed so all kinds of "surprises" pop up.

What are you going to do if it comes back that she isn't pure Yorkie? Unfortunately, the law considers pets property so the doctrine of unlawful gain applies in cases like this. Keeping the puppy and getting your money back probably won't be an option. You've obviously bonded with her so I doubt you'd return her.

I am so glad you decided not to breed. We don't need anymore so-called Yorkies being produced by dogs with unknown backgrounds. That's why today's Yorkies are so far off the standard and have so many health problems. :thumbdown:

rebeccag 04-14-2009 05:25 PM

Yeah, she's not going anywhere!!!!!! I'm just mad...if it comes back to money vrs giving her up...I get her and loose some money! Def. not going to breed her....

phfgkl 04-14-2009 06:54 PM

$1000 to pay for her was way over. If it shows up she's got something else in her, I would first think what you feel the dog is worth, then call the lady, tell her you have the dna test results, she has this or this in her, and you love the dog, but, feel you deserve this amt of money back. If she says no, then tell her you will be having your lawyer contact her. Sometimes that will scare them enough to work with you. Good luck, keep us posted

Ladymom 04-14-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2577852)
$1000 to pay for her was way over. If it shows up she's got something else in her, I would first think what you feel the dog is worth, then call the lady, tell her you have the dna test results, she has this or this in her, and you love the dog, but, feel you deserve this amt of money back. If she says no, then tell her you will be having your lawyer contact her. Sometimes that will scare them enough to work with you. Good luck, keep us posted

I agree. It would be much better to try to work something out with the breeder and keep the puppy. If you try to work it out in court, what you will spend in attorney fees and courts costs isn't worth it.

The only other alternative would be to return the puppy and get a refund which I know you don't want to do.

rebeccag 04-14-2009 11:53 PM

The contract says I can't get a refund but if she's not purebred I would think the contract is void. At this point, I would like a full refund and keep the dog. If I have to spend some extra money and it teaches her a lesson then I'll spend the money. I will try to work it out with her but I'm willing to bet she'll try to replace the puppy and I don't want another puppy from her!!!! There's got to be a way to get my money back if she's not purebred...a lawyer will help. I don't care what I spend, it's more a matter of principle and me not supporting the breeder!!!!!!!!!! I feel like it's people like me who keep these practices alive...this is why I walked away from the other breeder who had aprox. 40 plus dogs in this little room.....there was no way I was going to give her any money so she could keep breeding like that! I will keep you posted and I'm not sure how long it takes to get the test back....I'm going to call today and see if I can make an evening appointment before Saturday cuz I can't wait that long! The breeder seemed knowledgeable and I thought she was reputable...I searched online and found only positive reviews...that's what's so confusing about this!!!

QuickSilver 04-15-2009 02:25 AM

Well, if she seemed reputable, it could come back that she is a full yorkie. Maybe once she grows into herself, it will be clearer why this breeder considered her a breed-worthy female.

I always have hope that people mean well. :)

Jemma 04-15-2009 03:56 AM

I think with what everyone is saying, is getting you more and more angry. Right now just sit back and wait for the DNA results. Maybe she is a purebred, she is really cute. Maybe she breeds Chorkies and threw one in with the Yorkie litter, who knows, but just be easy on yourself for now.

There may be a way to keep the pup and get your money back. Truth is, a breeder will take their puppy back, but they really don't want too. It just means they now have to try and sell the puppy again. And it's a disappointment to see that one HAS to come back. Breeders strive to do the best they can. Yes you can buy one from a show breeder, but you will pay a lot of money. There are PLENTY of good breeders out there that don't show.
I bred and showed my Goldens when I had them. But I never said buying from a show person is better than anybody else. You odds of course are more favorable though because all testing is done on both parents and we did DNA on both parents, I did anyway. And each person who purchased my pup got a copy. I always showed the Original to them first. It can be a VERY Political game. And I'm prety sure I speak of ALL breeds and not just Goldens.

You on the other hand can ruin this woman's reputation by her giving you a mixed breed, if it is. And stating it is a purebred. Maybe you can ask her to put in writing that it is a purebred to make you feel better. If she does it, you'll have another Ace.

IF the DNA comes back mixed, I would call her and state, we have a problem. I would further remind her of how you questioned her about your baby being a purebred. Mind you, if it is a mixed her insides are already churning. Tell her you were getting more concerned about it and decided to engage the help of your vet who did a DNA testing. And the results showed mixed. In this case I would not give her the option of explaining anything. After you tell her mix, ask her immediately when she will be returning your money. Almost like she doesn't have a choice. You can then ask her if she wants the puppy and is she going to resell it as a Yorkie. Then tell her, being she now knows the dog is considered mix, she might want to consider letting the dog just stay with you. It would be trumatic for the puppy no matter what the breed. She knows her rep is in your hands. There is more than one way to skin a cat! ewwww, I don't like that saying.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Brodi mom 04-15-2009 04:19 AM

Well I will tell you I just got a female from a show breeder and her brothers and sisters have the full puppy coat and mine looks like yours However the father of mine has the silky coat and the mom of mine kinda has a light wirey coat and my little one has a little wirey outer coat but the underneath coat seems like it is going to be okay... Im not sure if yours is mixed but give it time did you see mom and dad?? did either of them have the wirey coat.. I wouldnt be to bummed out...:D

rebeccag 04-15-2009 04:28 AM

Me too Quicksilver, she seemed sweet and meaningful but like my dad always said "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck".

And thank you Jemma. I did send off an email to the breeder stating my feelings and the fact that I would be DNA testing along with an online photo of a Yorkie mix that looked just like my female on the side of a real Yorkie that looked just like my male. I also said I would expect a full refund if she is a mix. She assured me once again that she is not a mix but I want to make sure anyway. I do have it in writing that she's a purebred Yorkie. I will absolutely follow your great advice in handling this if the DNA comes back mixed. Ksena is super smart and very sweet it's just I don't believe in crossbreeding and I wouldn't have taken a mix from any breeder. I would rescue a mix but to breed a mix doesn't make sense to me unless it was an accident.

Thanks once again!!!! I hope once I get a good amount of knowledge I can help someone else on here!!!!

rebeccag 04-15-2009 05:30 AM

Yes, I saw both parents and they looked nothing like my girl except for the coloring. Her father had the same coloring but that was it. Both parents had full heads of hair...not the silky. She has curly hair on her body and no hair on her head???????? I've just never seen a Yorkie look like her...Do you have pics of your puppy?

phfgkl 04-15-2009 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rebeccag (Post 2578015)
The contract says I can't get a refund but if she's not purebred I would think the contract is void. At this point, I would like a full refund and keep the dog. If I have to spend some extra money and it teaches her a lesson then I'll spend the money. I will try to work it out with her but I'm willing to bet she'll try to replace the puppy and I don't want another puppy from her!!!! There's got to be a way to get my money back if she's not purebred...a lawyer will help. I don't care what I spend, it's more a matter of principle and me not supporting the breeder!!!!!!!!!! I feel like it's people like me who keep these practices alive...this is why I walked away from the other breeder who had aprox. 40 plus dogs in this little room.....there was no way I was going to give her any money so she could keep breeding like that! I will keep you posted and I'm not sure how long it takes to get the test back....I'm going to call today and see if I can make an evening appointment before Saturday cuz I can't wait that long! The breeder seemed knowledgeable and I thought she was reputable...I searched online and found only positive reviews...that's what's so confusing about this!!!

If you have too, small claims court would be your best bet, it's either free or very inexpensive. Just keep us posted

FlDebra 04-15-2009 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rebeccag (Post 2578015)
The contract says I can't get a refund but if she's not purebred I would think the contract is void. At this point, I would like a full refund and keep the dog. If I have to spend some extra money and it teaches her a lesson then I'll spend the money. I will try to work it out with her but I'm willing to bet she'll try to replace the puppy and I don't want another puppy from her!!!! There's got to be a way to get my money back if she's not purebred...a lawyer will help. I don't care what I spend, it's more a matter of principle and me not supporting the breeder!!!!!!!!!! I feel like it's people like me who keep these practices alive...this is why I walked away from the other breeder who had aprox. 40 plus dogs in this little room.....there was no way I was going to give her any money so she could keep breeding like that! I will keep you posted and I'm not sure how long it takes to get the test back....I'm going to call today and see if I can make an evening appointment before Saturday cuz I can't wait that long! The breeder seemed knowledgeable and I thought she was reputable...I searched online and found only positive reviews...that's what's so confusing about this!!!

This has to be very frustrating when you tried to approach this the right way. But keep in mind, the parents you saw could very well be the parents of this little one. The mixing could have been in generations past. This breeder may feel she has done nothing wrong. But I strongly feel these things happen a lot more when you deal with the ACA, APRI, etc. There are AKC puppymills and unscrupulous breeders too but more and more they are being brought down and then they either go out of business or turn to the easier registries. I never knew any of this before I started getting online and reading about Yorkies either. I think most of us are honest and want to believe everyone else is to.

I wish you luck with your testing and any follow on action that may be necessary!

rebeccag 04-15-2009 06:16 AM

Yeah, the vets office suggested small claims court. I can't get in before Saturday but they said it should only take a day or so for the results. I figure I'll know Monday or Tuesday.

I just thought of something else the breeder said, that the puppies are usually $1450-1850.00 but because of the economy and the fact the she was using her stud fee in place of the puppy she could sell her for $1,000.00....she made me feel like I was getting a great deal on a great puppy!!!! Even if she's pure I still feel a little robbed and mislead....

rebeccag 04-15-2009 06:20 AM

FIDebra, thanks but she said she and her aunt don't breed outside of their line so she is aware or she lied. I guess she and her aunt have some kind of breeding program. She also said she is very particular as to where her puppies go....I'm confused because she said all the right things but then I look at my puppy with her tail curled up between her legs and it makes me scratch my head a bit.....Can't wait until the results.......

Ladymom 04-15-2009 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2578258)
This has to be very frustrating when you tried to approach this the right way. But keep in mind, the parents you saw could very well be the parents of this little one. The mixing could have been in generations past. This breeder may feel she has done nothing wrong. But I strongly feel these things happen a lot more when you deal with the ACA, APRI, etc. There are AKC puppymills and unscrupulous breeders too but more and more they are being brought down and then they either go out of business or turn to the easier registries. I never knew any of this before I started getting online and reading about Yorkies either. I think most of us are honest and want to believe everyone else is to.

I wish you luck with your testing and any follow on action that may be necessary!

Exactly. Backyard breeders breed pet quality dogs with unknown backgrounds. It's pot luck what they will produce. They use the "alternative" registries like the ACA who don't require DNA testing or records inspection.

Hopefully you can work something out with this woman without having to go to court. Purebred or not, you paid a lot of money for a puppy who doesn't look like a Yorkie is supposed to look.

rebeccag 04-15-2009 07:04 AM

I feel like a fool......for a few reasons....

rebeccag 04-15-2009 07:31 AM

I should have just walked away............

Gigi485 04-15-2009 09:54 AM

Just curious
 
By any chance - did you get her from a breeder in central Mass named Diane? Country Home Yorkies?

TammyJM 04-15-2009 09:55 AM

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I should have just walked away............

Awww, that's so sad. :( I don't think that you should have just walked away....imagine your life without that adorable fur baby! When we bought our first Yorkie (7 years ago), we knew NOTHING about what a "quality" Yorkie was suppose to be. We just knew that we wanted Harley when we saw him!! :) I could not be happier that we were clueless about the breed standards because what if we had walked away?! Oh my, I cannot imagine our family without Harley.

Here is my 22lb., floppy-eared purebred Yorkshire Terrier, Harley:
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Enjoy your precious Yorkie....she's a doll! :)

Tammy

Gigi485 04-15-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gigi485 (Post 2578582)
By any chance - did you get her from a breeder in central Mass named Diane? Country Home Yorkies?


Correction - I mean Denise.... in Sutton, MA?

rebeccag 04-15-2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2578583)
Awww, that's so sad. :( I don't think that you should have just walked away....imagine your life without that adorable fur baby! When we bought our first Yorkie (7 years ago), we knew NOTHING about what a "quality" Yorkie was suppose to be. We just knew that we wanted Harley when we saw him!! :) I could not be happier that we were clueless about the breed standards because what if we had walked away?! Oh my, I cannot imagine our family without Harley.

Here is my 22lb., floppy-eared purebred Yorkshire Terrier, Harley:
Attachment 273490

Enjoy your precious Yorkie....she's a doll! :)

Tammy

Oh my gosh!!! 22lbs. That is hilarious! He is cute! I love all my animals. Really, it's just I wanted to have a couple of litters and now I can't. I just figured if they're healthy and well taken care of etc etc how could it be wrong....but I see how I feel right now, not knowing what I just bought for $1,000.00 and it's so frustrating that I would never do it!!! She is real smart and sweet. I have a 12 year old neutered pekenese and he's great! It's just I had other plans for these 2 pups and was open about it with the breeder...if she cares like she said she does why would she want me to breed her, unless she will end up being beautiful...oh well, live and learn...

Britster 04-15-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2578583)
Awww, that's so sad. :( I don't think that you should have just walked away....imagine your life without that adorable fur baby! When we bought our first Yorkie (7 years ago), we knew NOTHING about what a "quality" Yorkie was suppose to be. We just knew that we wanted Harley when we saw him!! :) I could not be happier that we were clueless about the breed standards because what if we had walked away?! Oh my, I cannot imagine our family without Harley.

Here is my 22lb., floppy-eared purebred Yorkshire Terrier, Harley:
Attachment 273490

Enjoy your precious Yorkie....she's a doll! :)

Tammy

Oh my gosh he is SO cute!!

I have a soft spot for the bigger Yorkies. Jackson is 6 months old and currently 13 pounds!

I feel the same way - I'm GLAD I didn't know as much about standard or any of that at the time I bought him.... I couldn't imagine him any other way.

rebeccag 04-15-2009 10:28 AM

No, I did not go with Denise from Sutton.

rebeccag 04-15-2009 10:29 AM

Just curious, how much do you all pay for your Yorkies?

chachi 04-15-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rebeccag (Post 2578607)
Just curious, how much do you all pay for your Yorkies?

I paid $600 for a yorkie that ended up being a larger yorkie and $1200 for a female that is 6 lbs. Dont beat yourself up over this I didnt know anything about the standard before I came on here

FlDebra 04-15-2009 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rebeccag (Post 2578607)
Just curious, how much do you all pay for your Yorkies?

I paid $1500 for Sadie and $1200 for Ben. I had been on a waiting list for a while before I got Sadie and while waiting got to know the breeder. I decided I wanted to start my own breeding program, with her encouragement, a lot of study and preparation. In fact, she helped me find Ben. They really complimented each other. Unfortunately I lost Sadie after she had this litter of puppies I am now raising. I am very unsure if I still want to pursue breeding. I want to but I just don't know if I could ever put another momma at risk after becoming so attached. I did learn a lesson just as you have -- listen to your heart, follow your instincts, if something feels wrong, it probably is.

I look at it this way -- if we were meant to get into breeding, it will all work out eventually. Maybe this was not the time for either of us.


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