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Mom2Lulu 03-24-2009 10:30 AM

I have to say I am extremely disappointed at the negative responses to the OP. I shudder to think what I would do in her situation. I find it highly unethical that a Vet would call and say he could treat her dog but ONLY if he was able to keep her. She stated she has been to the Vet with Stormy more times in 6 months than most people go during the life of their dog. At that rate, it would become expensive for anyone. She has never once acted neglectful regarding her baby. Quite the opposite is true if anyone has taken the time to read the threads. I highly doubt she would post on YT as much as she has if she was neglectful of her dog.

Why couldn't the "nice" vet, who "saved" Stormy offer to do the treatment "pro bono"? If he really cared about his patient he would have offered without hesitation. Professionals do it all the time! If he felt like the dog was not being taken care of, he could have saved her and taken her home, and none would be the wiser. Instead, he left her in a cage for 5 hours, waiting to find the time in HIS busy schedule to put her down, and what is worse, THAT is the reason they told the OP she had not been put down yet. Poor people skills at best!! For him to call and tell her he would save her ONLY IF he could keep her is not only unethical, it is immoral and just plain WRONG!!

I'm VERY glad they DID NOT get the chance to put her down, because who's to say they wouldn't have screwed that up, too? But more than that, I'm very glad the OP got her baby back, and is getting her back in good health.

Moral of the Story? Get a second opinion. Oh, and have a little compassion and empathy...you never know when you may need some in the future.

jmdt 03-24-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda350 (Post 2539291)
OMG you people are horrible!!!....The first vet told her there was nothing he could do.....Obviously he LIED because his partner comes in and says I can fix her.....Now this partner decides that he will fix her, but only if he gets to keep her....Otherwise tough s***.........Never does he offer to help her or atleast recommend what treatment would benefit her so that she can take Stormy somewhere else possibly less expensive...The economy is bad and everyone is suffering from it so don't blame her for being concerned about money but this vet's office screwed up BADLY and they should not be praised or thanked....I never once got the impression that she would rather have Stormy put to sleep than let someone else have her or pay for treatment...I did however get the immediate impression that the second vet wanted a free yorkie and he knew that she needed minor treatment that he could handle since he wouldn't have to pay for labor.....and was only willing to help Stormy if he got to take her home.....I cannot believe you people would defend him or this practice....:mad:

:thumbup::thumbup: They let her and her family agonize about having to say goodbye to their beloved pet. I'm sure she is very happy she has Stormy back, but this whole situation was handeled very badly by the vets office. What if the second vet didn't step into the picture. That poor little girl was sitting lonely in a cage for 5 hours, potentially suffering. That is outrageous!!! Now thinking her little Stormy was gone, she gets this call that she is still alive and now they are trying to make a deal. That's messed up. I couldn't even imagine what torture she must be going through. Give her a break. You would be furious too if it were your baby. I know I would be. I'm glad that they didn't put her to sleep, but what do you think about a vet that would leave a dying (according to the doctor) dog that was to be put to sleep hanging around for 5 hours until he got to it. What!!!

Jacklynn 03-24-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda350 (Post 2539291)
OMG you people are horrible!!!....The first vet told her there was nothing he could do.....Obviously he LIED because his partner comes in and says I can fix her.....Now this partner decides that he will fix her, but only if he gets to keep her....Otherwise tough s***.........Never does he offer to help her or atleast recommend what treatment would benefit her so that she can take Stormy somewhere else possibly less expensive...The economy is bad and everyone is suffering from it so don't blame her for being concerned about money but this vet's office screwed up BADLY and they should not be praised or thanked....I never once got the impression that she would rather have Stormy put to sleep than let someone else have her or pay for treatment...I did however get the immediate impression that the second vet wanted a free yorkie and he knew that she needed minor treatment that he could handle since he wouldn't have to pay for labor.....and was only willing to help Stormy if he got to take her home.....I cannot believe you people would defend him or this practice....:mad:

:thumbup:

I don't think the OP is upset that her precious dog is still alive... I think she is upset because a vet she trusted told her she needed to put her down, and that she shouldn't leave the vet with her because she was suffering. Then they call her 5 hours later saying they still hadn't put her down, and now someone else is saying she can be saved, but only if she gives her up.

kjbb 03-24-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda350 (Post 2539291)
OMG you people are horrible!!!....The first vet told her there was nothing he could do.....Obviously he LIED because his partner comes in and says I can fix her.....Now this partner decides that he will fix her, but only if he gets to keep her....Otherwise tough s***.........Never does he offer to help her or atleast recommend what treatment would benefit her so that she can take Stormy somewhere else possibly less expensive...The economy is bad and everyone is suffering from it so don't blame her for being concerned about money but this vet's office screwed up BADLY and they should not be praised or thanked....I never once got the impression that she would rather have Stormy put to sleep than let someone else have her or pay for treatment...I did however get the immediate impression that the second vet wanted a free yorkie and he knew that she needed minor treatment that he could handle since he wouldn't have to pay for labor.....and was only willing to help Stormy if he got to take her home.....I cannot believe you people would defend him or this practice....:mad:

My thoughts exactly.

dogbert 03-24-2009 10:38 AM

In the office I worked in it was like that too. If the owner stayed with the dog which costs more money and is tramatic to the owner the dog is put down while the owner is there. If the owner doesn't stay then the dog was put into a kennel and put to sleep when a vet had time to do it. Sometimes it was min, sometimes it was hours.

jmdt 03-24-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dogbert (Post 2539319)
In the office I worked in it was like that too. If the owner stayed with the dog which costs more money and is tramatic to the owner the dog is put down while the owner is there. If the owner doesn't stay then the dog was put into a kennel and put to sleep when a vet had time to do it. Sometimes it was min, sometimes it was hours.

That's terrible. You wouldn't do it to a mouse why someone's beloved pet.?? I'm glad I know this because heaven forbid I'm ever in that horrific situation I would have to stay to make sure til the end my baby was taken care of.

Jacklynn 03-24-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dogbert (Post 2539319)
In the office I worked in it was like that too. If the owner stayed with the dog which costs more money

Just wondering, why would it cost more money to put a dog down if the owner stays by its side?

yorkie mad 03-24-2009 10:44 AM

This is disgusting the way things were handled for stormy ,my thoughts go out to you.We put trust in these people and expect them to respect our pets.I unfortunately may have to make a difficult decision about my Jessie and have decided if it has to happen it will happen here in her home where she feels safe and loved.

Cares4Dogs 03-24-2009 10:54 AM

I went back and re-read what the OP said...and after thinking about it, I wonder if the first vet was wanting to put the dog down because he wasnt making any money by charging less fees? and the second vet maybe thought the owner couldnt afford vet care and thats why he offered to care for the dog if ownership was transferred?? Its confusing... I just dont see the vet wanting a dog with medical problems for free..maybe something happened with the translation when the phone call came in from a staff member?

Nonetheless, it is sickening what happened. My heart goes out to you. I couldnt imagine going through all of that....Glad you got your baby back. In this case, a third opinion would be best.

chachi 03-24-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dogbert (Post 2539319)
In the office I worked in it was like that too. If the owner stayed with the dog which costs more money and is tramatic to the owner the dog is put down while the owner is there. If the owner doesn't stay then the dog was put into a kennel and put to sleep when a vet had time to do it. Sometimes it was min, sometimes it was hours.

Thanks for the imput. I just think it is a great thing that they waited that long or Stormy would be dead right now and thats all I was trying to say. I am not defending the first vet that said there was nothing that could be done for her but I think the second one was being compassionate in wanting to save her. I am not judging the OP at all. I just see both sides

LilMissy 03-24-2009 11:04 AM

This is unreal! I can't believe this happened. I would be LIVID!

mscat 03-24-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2539361)
Thanks for the imput. I just think it is a great thing that they waited that long or Stormy would be dead right now and thats all I was trying to say. I am not defending the first vet that said there was nothing that could be done for her but I think the second one was being compassionate in wanting to save her. I am not judging the OP at all. I just see both sides

The OP needs to realise how fortunate she is to have her Stormy back. Does she know how close she was to losing her? She is pissed about it, and that is understandable . however, she needs to feel thankful that it turned out the way it did.

keylargolady100 03-24-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda350 (Post 2539291)
OMG you people are horrible!!!....The first vet told her there was nothing he could do.....Obviously he LIED because his partner comes in and says I can fix her.....Now this partner decides that he will fix her, but only if he gets to keep her....Otherwise tough s***.........Never does he offer to help her or atleast recommend what treatment would benefit her so that she can take Stormy somewhere else possibly less expensive...The economy is bad and everyone is suffering from it so don't blame her for being concerned about money but this vet's office screwed up BADLY and they should not be praised or thanked....I never once got the impression that she would rather have Stormy put to sleep than let someone else have her or pay for treatment...I did however get the immediate impression that the second vet wanted a free yorkie and he knew that she needed minor treatment that he could handle since he wouldn't have to pay for labor.....and was only willing to help Stormy if he got to take her home.....I cannot believe you people would defend him or this practice....:mad:


I totally agree!! I cannot believe what this woman and her family has gone through in the last 24 hours!!! And to first have to make the terrible decision to have your dog put down. Mind you a dog that she has spend a ton of $$$ on in the past several months for another problem. To have to make that heart breaking decision to do this, and not be able to stay in the room while it is done. Go's home, knowing that she just had her sweet baby put down and is trying to go over the grief of that, plus telling her little girl where Stormy is. I cannot imagine having to do that! Then the vets office calls 5 hours later to say that it wasn't done, and a vet says he can fix her!!!! Where do they get off telling her that they can fix her IF she turns the dog over to him, because he would like her for a pet!!!
OMG PEOPLE Where is your compassion and decency????
How many of us in this forum could or would go through the same situation. And I bet each and every one of us would do exactly as she did. RUN right back to that vets office and snatch her baby back.
I fully agree with the op. She has my full support with her decision. I am sorry if others don't agree. Just think about walking in her shoes, and then decide what you would do.
Thank you for letting me vent.

QuickSilver 03-24-2009 11:15 AM

I had no idea that a dying pet could wait hours until being put down.

To the OP, I'm so sorry that you went through the agony of "losing" Stormy yesterday. I cried when I read your thread. You said it best, you are going to do what's best for your little girl. You must be overwhelmed dealing with all these conflicting stories and emotions.

I hope you get the support you need in real life and from YT.

I am really sad that someone thought that it would be helpful to tell the OP to chill out (smiley)! Anyone would be out of their mind getting jerked through the ideas that their dog is sick, their dog is unsavable, their dog is dead, no their dog is alive but they need to abandon her. If you have useful information about how vets operate, please post it in a way that can be heard so the OP can make good decisions for Stormy.

celstu1 03-24-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 2539312)
:thumbup::thumbup: They let her and her family agonize about having to say goodbye to their beloved pet. I'm sure she is very happy she has Stormy back, but this whole situation was handeled very badly by the vets office. What if the second vet didn't step into the picture. That poor little girl was sitting lonely in a cage for 5 hours, potentially suffering. That is outrageous!!! Now thinking her little Stormy was gone, she gets this call that she is still alive and now they are trying to make a deal. That's messed up. I couldn't even imagine what torture she must be going through. Give her a break. You would be furious too if it were your baby. I know I would be. I'm glad that they didn't put her to sleep, but what do you think about a vet that would leave a dying (according to the doctor) dog that was to be put to sleep hanging around for 5 hours until he got to it. What!!!

My point exactly right along! :thumbup: :thumbup: This is not an act of compassion.... if they were compassionate and really thought the dog was suffering and DYING, they would not make her wait 5 hours to be PTS! :(

DanielleAllen 03-24-2009 11:18 AM

A special note to the op...My thoughts and prayers are with you. Shame on the people on here to be so rude to you. They don't get it! Not that I wish them to have to deal with this, by you only would get it if they were in your place. I can't believe what the vet has done to your family and my heart is with you. I hope in taking a few days away from here that you all are well. again SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE RUDE! Get a clue, she wasn't "Killing her dog. " SHe was told there was nothing for her to do. Man, I have to say some of you on here are WAY TOO JUDGEMENTAL!

NanaDtreasures 03-24-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dogbert (Post 2539319)
In the office I worked in it was like that too. If the owner stayed with the dog which costs more money and is tramatic to the owner the dog is put down while the owner is there. If the owner doesn't stay then the dog was put into a kennel and put to sleep when a vet had time to do it. Sometimes it was min, sometimes it was hours.

I never thought I could do it...But I held my little Lea last Feb while they put her to sleep .She was only 18 months and broke her neck in a fall
I just couldnt leave her to die on her own.
And it was horrible.
But something I had to do. After reading this I am even more glad I made myself do this.

I do think it was a blessing that the other vet came in and was able to tell that she didnt need to be put to sleep. I wouldnt be angry at him.
I wouldnt have liked my baby being kept there for 5 hours without me knowing whats going on. But what a blessing that she is now home with you.
Let the anger go...and enjoy your baby
Hope she is on her way to feeling better

dogbert 03-24-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jmdt (Post 2539327)
That's terrible. You wouldn't do it to a mouse why someone's beloved pet.?? I'm glad I know this because heaven forbid I'm ever in that horrific situation I would have to stay to make sure til the end my baby was taken care of.

I don't know if they waited to put the ones who were suffering down or not. I can honestly say I wasn't aware of it if they did.

bjh 03-24-2009 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by celstu1 (Post 2539397)
My point exactly right along! :thumbup: :thumbup: This is not an act of compassion.... if they were compassionate and really thought the dog was suffering and DYING, they would not make her wait 5 hours to be PTS! :(

How do we know the vet wasn't in emergency surgery trying to save the life of another dog? The OP said herself the dog is fine now. I am sure the vets could tell she was not suffering.

Even human doctors have to let people suffer for hours on end while they are waiting in the ER at some of these big county hospitals. The stories my daughter has told me about what goes on there just shocks me.

Like I said before, I am just thankful Stormy is alive and I pray she gets any medical attention she might still need.

JeanieK 03-24-2009 11:41 AM

I am very confsed. I went back and read as far back on the OP's post as I could, but did not get the beginniung.

The first thread I found is where the dog got into the nair, and the OP said something about the dogs owners.

:confused:
Are you not the owner? Where did the dog come from?

Also from the posts I have read she has made comments about this dog not living too long and vet telling her to put the dog down etc. right from the beginning.

Something just does not seem right.

dogbert 03-24-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacklynn (Post 2539331)
Just wondering, why would it cost more money to put a dog down if the owner stays by its side?

They put the pet and family into an exam room and when the family is ready the vet takes care of the pet right away. That room can not be used till the family/owner leaves. We had people stay in the a room anywhere from min to two hours. Any time the family stayed it was only done by appointment so we would have a room open and things could be done in a professional, timely manner.

heatherm0890 03-24-2009 11:45 AM

you ppl defending the vet are terrible, imagine being in this situation. im sure shes glad stormy is alive but id be furious is i thought my baby was suffering...do you really think now is the time to bash her with negative comments???? get some manners!

dogbert 03-24-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by heatherm0890 (Post 2539466)
you ppl defending the vet are terrible, imagine being in this situation. im sure shes glad stormy is alive but id be furious is i thought my baby was suffering...do you really think now is the time to bash her with negative comments???? get some manners!

I hope you are not talking about me. I'm just stating the way things were done where I worked at the time.

QuickSilver 03-24-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2539450)
How do we know the vet wasn't in emergency surgery trying to save the life of another dog? The OP said herself the dog is fine now. I am sure the vets could tell she was not suffering.

That could be true. On the other hand, maybe it's not. You can't be any surer of what happened than anyone else.

The OP is a member of YT, not her vet. It is up to us to support HER, care for HER and help HER the way she has supported and cared for us.

Are you posting to help her and Stormy, or her vet? Because honestly, it sounds like you are here for her vet and I don't understand that.

JPop & Taz 2 03-24-2009 11:57 AM

Things happen for a reason......love that little girl with all your heart; it was not her time to go. She's where she is supposed to be.:)

roxies_mom 03-24-2009 11:58 AM

OK here's the way I understood this to be. The first vet told her there was nothing else he could do for Stormy that she was dying. If he really felt this way, why after she left thinking her dog would be put down did he call in a 2nd vet? Why didn't he call in a 2nd vet before convincing her that there was nothing else that could be done? Then why did the 2nd vet decide he wanted to keep her dog and get it well instead of discussing some options with her? Explaining to her what he thought might be wrong and what it might cost? It really sounds like all of this was handled very badly on both vets parts. Does anyone else understand it the way I do? I feel awful for Stormy and her family.

NanaDtreasures 03-24-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by heatherm0890 (Post 2539466)
you ppl defending the vet are terrible, imagine being in this situation. im sure shes glad stormy is alive but id be furious is i thought my baby was suffering...do you really think now is the time to bash her with negative comments???? get some manners!

I think putting her in a cage for 5 hours was wrong of the vet she took her dog to.
But as we hear from the gal who's worked for a vet.They DO this.
I for one am glad she told us about the practice of doing it when they have the time if the caregivers are not there.

I think the second vet who came in WAS a blessing
She has Stormy home...How could this other vet be bad?

yorkie_mama22 03-24-2009 12:15 PM

I want to thank everyone who is being supportive and kind, I can take all the support I need right now. I have been lost all day. She "appears" to be better now and I've been holding her all day just thinking and I understand what some of you are saying. I want to make this clear because I am the only one who TRULY knows what I am thinking in my head and that is that I was NOT mad at this vet for "saving" her life. I am VERY thankful that he second checked her, I am VERY VERY THANKFUL FOR THIS, so for you to say that I am MAD, you all don't know! I am MAD because of my dog WAS suffering and WAS curable WHY WAS I LIED TO?!?! I would of brought her home with me and figured things out! I would of NEVER left her there to sit in a cage BY HERSELF for 5 hours especially if she was suffering!!!!! I am so glad this vet came in and thought that this dog had/has a chance. I THANKED HIM ALSO! I was extremely confused, lost, mad, happy, and sad. I had been CRYING ALL FRICKING EVENING, my eyes were sore from crying so much, my baby daughter asking me " mommy why are you sad what's wrong, where is Stormy? ". I am pissed this office handled the situation the way it did. I believe this vet may of thought he wasn't making enough cutting me some slack the last two or three times I've been in but they don't charge for rechecks and I go for rechecks always. I was JUST IN FOR A RECHECK earlier that day! I have been dealing with this place since I brought Stormy home in October. She had an accident here and that is what happen with her nose, at that time THE VET said I should put her down also! I chose not too, my mom took her home and within two weeks she came around and lived, her vet was shocked!! She has had a few other incidents that the vet told me are probably health issues that she's had. I've been doing the best I CAN by taking care of the problems as they come but yes I have been to the vet so many times now they all know Stormy there and they probably see me the most. I think sometimes I am crazy that I run there over everything excuse me for loving my dog. If there wasn't so many issues I wouldn't have a problem taking care of a dog! I haven't been able to do all the things they want to do previously because their estimates are 800+ dollars on different occasions. I wish I would of started taking her some place else but I live just down the street from them and when something happens they are the closest place to bring her so I go there.


Anyways. after alot of thinking and crying I have decided that I am going to go and talk to this vet from last night and see what he really wants with her. Does he want to really help her get better and keep her as pet or what really is going through his mind. I have to say that I am open to the thought of giving her up if that means she is going to get ALL the testing and help that will make her healthy and ALIVE! I really feel that a vet would probably be the best owner for her as with all the visits I do, it wouldn't cost him nearly as much. He is also a surgeon. I know he did surgeries on both of my FILs dogs legs. I know she will need surgery on her leg eventually because she has LP. I know that 2,500$ is way out of my budget as that is what I was quoted for that as well. I want to see what his intentions are and see the vibe I get, I don't want to just give her away to a vet because he said he can fix her and make her better. Yes it is a VERY nice gesture but what about HIS personality and so on. I am sure you guys wouldn't just give your dog away to anybody now would you? What if they were animal abusers or bad people, just because they offer to "fix" your animal doesn't mean you jump at it right away. I was going through alot the only thing I was thinking was get her out of there, she was SO SCARED!


The second vet came in because this is a 24/7 hospital. One goes home and the other comes in. The first one didn't get to her intime and she was left there to be put down. The second vet decided to look her over I guess before doing the job. He had the stuff out already all on the table, I think he was a blessing as well, I am not mad at him at all.

JeanieK 03-24-2009 12:17 PM

As I posted before things do not add up. There is something missing from this story.

There seems to have been a tremendous amount of tragedy in the short length of time that she has had this dog.

I did not read how she came by the dog. But in earlier threads she made statements that she didn't think the dog was meant to live very long, and that the people at the pet store told her this vet was not good, and that she thought the dog must have had problems before she got it, and that she had been told previously to have the dog put down.

Something is not adding up.

keylargolady100 03-24-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures (Post 2539496)
I think the second vet who came in WAS a blessing
She has Stormy home...How could this other vet be bad?

By saying that he could fix stormy if the op signed her over to him! That was plain and simply WRONG


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