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bchgirl 03-12-2009 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2517340)
I just read through the thread, and yes, they were neutered. Also, after reading through that thread and seeing those pictures, they did need to be rescued. I am just saddened they couldn't get the female. :(

One way to help in these situations is to try and find out who the broker is. There are ways of dealing with those people and the people who are purchasing them by making them known public. It doesn't totally stop them, but it sure makes them angry.
In Talen and Zeus's case...Kelz said she knew who the breeder was but never divulged that information.

jencar98 03-12-2009 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2517366)
JenCar98, is $50 really the average price for a dog at an auction? I ask because that seems pretty low, so if that's what the seller expects on average, he doesn't need much to make a profit. This just underlines that the argument "we're not giving millers much money" does not hold water.

This has been a very sad thread, but isn't it better to know what's really going on? Knowledge shouldn't make you give up. Now we all know we have to be smarter and more careful about who our donation are really going to.

I don't think this thread gives rescues a bad name. I think the reprehensible actions of some rescues gives rescues a bad name. Personally I am GREATFUL that people had the courage to come forward and tell us what is going on. Knowledge is power.
Different auctions the prices can be different. At the auction OKYR got the Biewers from, chihuahuas were selling for .01 - yes that's right a PENNY:(! That was another auction this SW Kennel auction held. I've seen them give away unsold dogs at the auction here.

The first auction I went to back in spring of 08 yorkies were selling for $75-100. But because of the glutted market (partially created by rescues) and the economy, over the summer the price began to drop. And, the last auction I went to many sold for $50 and under. The only yorkies that sold for more were the tiny females and I did see one sell for $100.

andibaby 03-12-2009 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2517561)
Different auctions the prices can be different. At the auction OKYR got the Biewers from, chihuahuas were selling for .01 - yes that's right a PENNY:(! That was another auction this SW Kennel auction held. I've seen them give away unsold dogs at the auction here.

The first auction I went to back in spring of 08 yorkies were selling for $75-100. But because of the glutted market (partially created by rescues) and the economy, over the summer the price began to drop. And, the last auction I went to many sold for $50 and under. The only yorkies that sold for more were the tiny females and I did see one sell for $100.
:(!!! :thumbdown This is so seriously wrong! It makes me sad and angry! :mad: I am not sure what to say.....(not that I haven't said enough right??)

TLC 03-12-2009 01:40 PM
I have tried not to read these posts b/c the visions I am seeing in my brain are making me cry...I can not fathom dogs selling for 1 penny :(

This is insane, the whole "animal auction" - I can't understand how all of this goes on here in the USA :(

I wish Oprah would do her next puppymill segment on the Dog Auctions....

jencar98 03-12-2009 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TLC (Post 2517599)
I have tried not to read these posts b/c the visions I am seeing in my brain are making me cry...I can not fathom dogs selling for 1 penny :(

This is insane, the whole "animal auction" - I can't understand how all of this goes on here in the USA :(

I wish Oprah would do her next puppymill segment on the Dog Auctions....
Believe me there are not enough vile words to describe what goes on at these auctions. I wish Oprah, CNN, FOX News, Nightline, Ellen - all of them would do stories on the dog auction business.

The pathetic manner in which these dogs are kept would BREAK your heart The noise and the stench are something you can't describe. The sadness and fright in each dogs eyes still haunts me. I can see why people think it's a good thing to buy them up - get them out of there. BUT that is where the problem lies - the more that show up and buy, the more the breeders will produce - it's what I keep trying to get across - and with OKYR it keeps falling on deaf ears!

As much as it pains me to leave these dogs, I've come to realize rescues have to quit buying these auction dogs. For every dog a rescue thinks they are saving, they are condemning many more to a life of hell.

I hope rescues that buy auction dogs are satisfied with themselves knowing they are part of the problem and not the solution.

andibaby 03-12-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2517698)
Believe me there are not enough vile words to describe what goes on at these auctions. I wish Oprah, CNN, FOX News, Nightline, Ellen - all of them would do stories on the dog auction business.

The pathetic manner in which these dogs are kept would BREAK your heart The noise and the stench are something you can't describe. The sadness and fright in each dogs eyes still haunts me. I can see why people think it's a good thing to buy them up - get them out of there. BUT that is where the problem lies - the more that show up and buy, the more the breeders will produce - it's what I keep trying to get across - and with OKYR it keeps falling on deaf ears!

As much as it pains me to leave these dogs, I've come to realize rescues have to quit buying these auction dogs. For every dog a rescue thinks they are saving, they are condemning many more to a life of hell.
I hope rescues that buy auction dogs are satisfied with themselves knowing they are part of the problem and not the solution.
:thumbup: I agree with this.
And I think it is sad that if you speak your mind about a rescue you are banned. :thumbdown
It is a public organization. People should have this knowledge-people should own up to mistakes and try to work to change them. I have read where many YT people bought from pet stores or byb's before they were educated on the topic. We all learn. And when owned up too and a change made for the better-there is much less fault, and people are more apt to forgiveness. To ban members just drives the secrecy of the organization. JMO:rolleyes:

Wylie's Mom 03-12-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2517698)
As much as it pains me to leave these dogs, I've come to realize rescues have to quit buying these auction dogs. For every dog a rescue thinks they are saving, they are condemning many more to a life of hell.
I agree.

If people stop buying from pet stores, Puppy Mills will not have a market to serve.

If people stop buying from auctions, auctions will not have a market to serve.

Obie 03-12-2009 04:05 PM
I still see so much pro and con here. I guess my first problem is who will rescue the ones nobody wants. What will happen to them. Who will care. I don't see how people selling a dog for $.01 making anything or even $50. And what happens if that one guardian angel isn't there for him or her. If rescue goes in with the mind set to just sweep up the ones that were discarded than nobody is supporting anybody or anything. They are just the guardian angels that picks them up and gives them that one last chance, that one last hope, if it be for one hour or one day left of their life. I am talking about the ones they put in the back rooms, the ones that don't sell, to be hauled away to their final resting ground. Never knowing what it was like to be held, to be comforted, to have a human look in their eyes and say, its ok now, you're safe, I'm here. So sad, so sad.

ladyjane 03-12-2009 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2517856)
I still see so much pro and con here. I guess my first problem is who will rescue the ones nobody wants. What will happen to them. Who will care. I don't see how people selling a dog for $.01 making anything or even $50. And what happens if that one guardian angel isn't there for him or her. If rescue goes in with the mind set to just sweep up the ones that were discarded than nobody is supporting anybody or anything. They are just the guardian angels that picks them up and gives them that one last chance, that one last hope, if it be for one hour or one day left of their life. I am talking about the ones they put in the back rooms, the ones that don't sell, to be hauled away to their final resting ground. Never knowing what it was like to be held, to be comforted, to have a human look in their eyes and say, its ok now, you're safe, I'm here. So sad, so sad.
That is exactly what the millers want .... they prey on people who love animals.
No matter how much it hurts, I believe that no one should show up at those auctions.
It IS being a part of the problem and not part of the solution.
I personally would not step foot at one of those things because I would be in a world of trouble. And, even IF I could contain myself, I could not walk away with a load of dogs knowing that I was making more room for others to be neglected and/or abused.
The bottom line is that these people ARE making money...does anyone think they would go there if they were not???? Sure..they might sell a few really cheap....that is just bait. They are making money!!!!

Obie 03-12-2009 04:23 PM
How many states allow dog auctions? Is it just Missouri? I am researching this but maybe somebody here has it at their finger tips. If it is just the state of Missouri, I would like to contact the legislators in the those districts to get a feel for their thoughts on this and if any legislation is being introduced to stop the auctions.

hugz4all4 03-12-2009 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2517856)
I still see so much pro and con here. I guess my first problem is who will rescue the ones nobody wants. What will happen to them. Who will care. I don't see how people selling a dog for $.01 making anything or even $50. And what happens if that one guardian angel isn't there for him or her. If rescue goes in with the mind set to just sweep up the ones that were discarded than nobody is supporting anybody or anything. They are just the guardian angels that picks them up and gives them that one last chance, that one last hope, if it be for one hour or one day left of their life. I am talking about the ones they put in the back rooms, the ones that don't sell, to be hauled away to their final resting ground. Never knowing what it was like to be held, to be comforted, to have a human look in their eyes and say, its ok now, you're safe, I'm here. So sad, so sad.

:( This post broke my heart..:(

erickajm 03-12-2009 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2517889)
How many states allow dog auctions? Is it just Missouri? I am researching this but maybe somebody here has it at their finger tips. If it is just the state of Missouri, I would like to contact the legislators in the those districts to get a feel for their thoughts on this and if any legislation is being introduced to stop the auctions.
I found one in Ohio and I am sure there are some to be found here in Pennsylvania as well

andibaby 03-12-2009 04:56 PM
We had one that I know of in Oklahoma. I am sure they are pretty much everywhere. :(

erickajm 03-12-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by andibaby (Post 2517724)
:thumbup: I agree with this.
And I think it is sad that if you speak your mind about a rescue you are banned. :thumbdown
It is a public organization. People should have this knowledge-people should own up to mistakes and try to work to change them. I have read where many YT people bought from pet stores or byb's before they were educated on the topic. We all learn. And when owned up too and a change made for the better-there is much less fault, and people are more apt to forgiveness. To ban members just drives the secrecy of the organization. JMO:rolleyes:
Again, that speaks volumes as to who is running this organization (not the org itself). To run a business you have to have respect, be the utmost professional and a little common sense goes a long way. So, If I read this right you have now been banned from the rescue because you spoke up and questioned the runnings of the rescue?

I guess I could understand if a person was outright malicious in trying to destroy the person's reputation or whatnot, but to ban a "volunteer" because they spoke up? So my question is, were you the only one banned and if so is it because you started this thread and made people aware? I don't get it.

sdtrippe 03-12-2009 05:17 PM
501(c)(3) what exactly does 501c3 mean that u go to autions?
Sheila


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