Article about BYB! Must read!

[Katys mom]

Great Article!!!!! Can I cross post it.

[Missiemiss]

Thanks for asking me to share but honestly, I won't do it this time. I'm still licking wounds over the last posts I made about a subject and people that I have NEVER seen on YT came out of LURKVILLE to flame me for my opinion. Many people even said, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't post."

So, I will say again that I enjoyed the article but didn't agree with everything she stated. It is a good article that needs to be posted because there may be many that do not know what a BYBer is so it is a good educational resource.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

this is so sad....

people are stubborn and they want what they want and they don't care about anything else...

a lot of people base their purchasing decision of a puppy on the price, and generally breeders charge more for their puppies than backyard breeders. so there are still a lot of demand for the backyard breeders to breed dogs, it is really sad...and it is VERY frustrating.

thank you for this post. but it is so depressing at the same time. there are SO MANY backyard breeders, it is ridiculous! absolutely ridiculous!

You get so much more for the money though, many show breeders pets are extremely reasonable, and charge less than what pet stores charge. Backyard breeders often charge almost as much and sometimes more than show breeders. They certainly make more "profit" per dog, because with the extra expenses of show breeding it's hard to break even, this is indeed a labor of love. The hardest part in buying from a show breeder is "showing" that you can provide a good home, they never want to take any chances that their dogs will have to be rehomed and are as strict, if not stricter, than rescues.

[yorkiepuppie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You get so much more for the money though, many show breeders pets are extremely reasonable, and charge less than what pet stores charge. Backyard breeders often charge almost as much and sometimes more than show breeders. They certainly make more "profit" per dog, because with the extra expenses of show breeding it's hard to break even, this is indeed a labor of love. The hardest part in buying from a show breeder is "showing" that you can provide a good home, they never want to take any chances that their dogs will have to be rehomed and are as strict, if not stricter, than rescues.

i totally agree with you, and i think that you get what you paid for. but it is so frustrating because most people don't think like that. i have been meeting a lot of idiots out there that always ask me the same rude question about milu, "how much did she cost? is she a teacup?" ... i try to tell them about things that they should actually be paying attention to, but you can tell they don't give a sh*t, i just want to slap them silly...

people are so stupid it hurts!

every time i try, i just get discouraged. people are too stupid!

[yorkiekist]

Now we cant put ALL the blame on the byber.(most of it but not all) ALOT of the blame for shelter dogs is the BUYER. After the novelty wears off or they didnt do the research on a specific breed, they didnt do their part in training the dog, and off course, the bad economy(losing homes, etc) these poor dogs end up in the shelters.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Now we cant put ALL the blame on the byber.(most of it but not all) ALOT of the blame for shelter dogs is the BUYER. After the novelty wears off or they didnt do the research on a specific breed, they didnt do their part in training the dog, and off course, the bad economy(losing homes, etc) these poor dogs end up in the shelters.

I agree with this, but I believe a good breeder does more to check out the situation than the typical byb, who will sell to anyone who comes up with the money.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Katys mom

Great Article!!!!! Can I cross post it.

You sure can! If you feel the need frame it and wear it in public Believe me I am tempted!

[llcornell]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Now we cant put ALL the blame on the byber.(most of it but not all) ALOT of the blame for shelter dogs is the BUYER. After the novelty wears off or they didnt do the research on a specific breed, they didnt do their part in training the dog, and off course, the bad economy(losing homes, etc) these poor dogs end up in the shelters.

No you cant put all the blame on the BYB BUT they are the source so its a good place to start. We have to start somewhere.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You get so much more for the money though, many show breeders pets are extremely reasonable, and charge less than what pet stores charge. Backyard breeders often charge almost as much and sometimes more than show breeders. They certainly make more "profit" per dog, because with the extra expenses of show breeding it's hard to break even, this is indeed a labor of love. The hardest part in buying from a show breeder is "showing" that you can provide a good home, they never want to take any chances that their dogs will have to be rehomed and are as strict, if not stricter, than rescues.

That is one of my sore points about people who bash rescue~they were turned down because of too strict rules. So they buy a puppy from someone who will sell to ANYONE to make a profit. A good breeder cares about the future and well being of their puppies just the same way a rescue does. Both will tell you if it doesn't work out they will take the dog back no matter what. My sister purchase a Doberman puppy 8 years ago and the contract she signed with the breeder was that if at ANY TIME in the dogs life she was not able to keep her that she could be returned to the breeders care. She know that I volunteered for rescue and they even looked at rescues out of respect for me since they would like to add a new dog to their family. After looking they have decided that they would go back to the breeder that Star came from. They were afraid to tell me because they thought I would be upset. RESPONSIBLE breeders do not upset me IRRESPONSIBLE BYB who will sell to anyone infuriate me.

When it is time for them to pick their new puppy up I plan to go along for their trip to Wisconsin because I know they are making a good an responsible choice.

Now if they were cracking open the internet and having a puppy shipped from Missouri or some other puppymill state I would be having a fit. But they have learned and that is what I would like to see from more people. Responsiblity for their choice and actions with their pets.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie

i totally agree with you, and i think that you get what you paid for. but it is so frustrating because most people don't think like that. i have been meeting a lot of idiots out there that always ask me the same rude question about milu, "how much did she cost? is she a teacup?" ... i try to tell them about things that they should actually be paying attention to, but you can tell they don't give a sh*t, i just want to slap them silly...

people are so stupid it hurts!

every time i try, i just get discouraged. people are too stupid!

I think there is a little truth in the statement, "you get what you pay for", but there are so many exceptions, nothing in life is that simple. For example, some websites sell dogs that don't met standard for outrageous prices, and say the dogs are "related to champions". That means nothing, but a cute website name and some good pictures of dogs in cute poses, make people think the dogs are worth more. Some sites promise a tiny, and again try to charge more; often the tiny is tiny because it's unhealthy or in most cases it's not even tiny. Dogs under a certain size can't be used for breeding so they should be worth less, not more, and most good breeders won't sell them for more. I don't buy the notion that good breeders charge more for tinies, because they want to ensure that the tiny goes to people who have the funds to pay for it's medical needs. Just because you can come up with an extra $1000.00 doesn't mean you have the funds to pay for future medical needs. The same with males and females, many good breeders sell both for the same price. Other sites sell off colors calling them "rare" and unusual, and charge more than a show breeder's dog. There is something called supply and demand, as you are aware, but really good breeders are more interested in finding the best homes, not making a buck, and don't try to create a false demand for their dogs.

I've seen some beautiful show breeders dogs, who were being held back because they were thinking of showing it, and at 8 or so months decided that they didn't need them in the program, and the dog could be perfect in every way, and worth thousands of dollars, but since it was older, they will sell them for under $1000.00. Sometimes you are paying extra money for hype, and so it takes a really educated buying to sort out the hype from the truth. Don't forget rescues, you get way more than you pay for here.

[TresCutePiggies]

I posted in the rescue forum, but I will post here again. I think this is a very educational read. I cringe when I hear people talking about breeding their dog because it's "cute." I have had several offers from people wanting Rory to have puppies - let me break that down for you, my floppy-eared, 12 lb (don't get me wrong, adorable and VERY lovable and healthy) Rory. It's irritating to me, though I'm sure they mean it is a compliment. Not to mention Rory was spayed before her first heat, which was always the plan. I usually use that as my default response, but I'm feeling it is my duty now to attempt to educate further even though it may fall on deaf ears.

I do think some of it is people out to make a quick buck or out to save a quick buck. Hopefully, this will open just the eyes of a few people who simply weren't educated and that is a few more people who won't put money into the pockets of a BYB.

[nacke]

Its all so very sad =(

I couldn't IMAGINE breeding my little Macy! I certainly don't know anything about breeding, nor would i want to increase her cancer risks by not spaying her! I guess i don't understand why people cant just love and cuddle their dogs if they don't know what they are doing in the first place

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I agree with this, but I believe a good breeder does more to check out the situation than the typical byb, who will sell to anyone who comes up with the money.

That is true! You never can be too careful where you place your babies! Another reason that bybers are soooo popular with johnQPublic, is that hobby,responsible breeders will NEVER have enough puppies to fill the demand. People wanting a certain breed do not want to be put on a waiting list that may take years and pay for a pup with umpteen stipulations. More often than not, people will sacrifice quality for the convience and "no strings attached" that the byber can offer. Then when the dog is not what they expected or has health problems that they cant afford, its off to the pound.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

That is one of my sore points about people who bash rescue~they were turned down because of too strict rules. So they buy a puppy from someone who will sell to ANYONE to make a profit. A good breeder cares about the future and well being of their puppies just the same way a rescue does. Both will tell you if it doesn't work out they will take the dog back no matter what. My sister purchase a Doberman puppy 8 years ago and the contract she signed with the breeder was that if at ANY TIME in the dogs life she was not able to keep her that she could be returned to the breeders care. She know that I volunteered for rescue and they even looked at rescues out of respect for me since they would like to add a new dog to their family. After looking they have decided that they would go back to the breeder that Star came from. They were afraid to tell me because they thought I would be upset. RESPONSIBLE breeders do not upset me IRRESPONSIBLE BYB who will sell to anyone infuriate me.

When it is time for them to pick their new puppy up I plan to go along for their trip to Wisconsin because I know they are making a good an responsible choice.

Now if they were cracking open the internet and having a puppy shipped from Missouri or some other puppymill state I would be having a fit. But they have learned and that is what I would like to see from more people. Responsiblity for their choice and actions with their pets.

To me this should be the first rule, if you won't take the puppy/dog back at any time, you shouldn't breed.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

That is true! You never can be too careful where you place your babies! Another reason that bybers are soooo popular with johnQPublic, is that hobby,responsible breeders will NEVER have enough puppies to fill the demand. People wanting a certain breed do not want to be put on a waiting list that may take years and pay for a pup with umpteen stipulations. More often than not, people will sacrifice quality for the convience and "no strings attached" that the byber can offer. Then when the dog is not what they expected or has health problems that they cant afford, its off to the pound.

You make a good point, but it kills me that some of the better breeders are cutting back their breeding programs because of the recession, but this isn't true of the byb's.