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minniemn · 09-02-2005, 11:20 AM

Thanks Lisa and Villette, I remember talking about this before, I can't remember who with (I suffer from CRS... can't remember s***) anyways... I posted and didn't know if I should duck, or not... but it is just my opinion, and who am I anyways? Just another yorkie lover... animal lover.

red98vett · 09-02-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by minniemn

Thanks Lisa and Villette, I remember talking about this before, I can't remember who with (I suffer from CRS... can't remember s***) anyways... I posted and didn't know if I should duck, or not... but it is just my opinion, and who am I anyways? Just another yorkie lover... animal lover.

I have CRS too but it comes and goes....

I think we've had many threads about this - I haven't posted in any myself or then again maybe I have...man...that CRS is hitting again.

Tuck'smom · 09-02-2005, 11:57 AM

Gandhi said, "The morality of a country can be judged by the way it treats its animals."
I find it reprehensible that people are being forced to leave their pets behind regardless of their socioeconomic status. I find the inaction of that person who (JMO) unfortunately runs this country also reprehensible. He is the president of the free world - if he wanted those people to have water and food, they would. Plain and simple. I work with some veterans who are also appalled at that evil man's (again, JMO) failure to mobilize the resources available to air drop food and water and to evacuate those in New Orleans. The guys here tell me the military has the ability to erect massive sheltering structures in a matter of hours, the ability to have done plenty, but chooses not to. Perhaps it is this regime's view as well that the people there are not worthy.
Back to the topic - it is not up to me to judge the form, nature or validity of a person's disability. Nor is it up to me to judge whether or not or how their animal might be of "service" in living and functioning with said disability.

Kim, keep up the good work.
Dana

bigdog · 09-02-2005, 12:54 PM

Well said Tucks Mom. I agree 100%. I think service dogs are wonderful. I used to take my Brittainy to see my clients at Freedom Village in Florida. I didn't have yorkies then. This is a place for assisted living, when i used to be a CNA and workd for homehealth agency.I have a buldging disk now and can't lift. I am a Christian and I am also a Democrat! Some preachers think this is inpossible.oops! off subject. I have thought about taking my sugar to nursing homes because she is so loving to everyone.Loves to give kisses. Would that be a service dog?

minniemn · 09-02-2005, 01:05 PM

Big Dog- that would be a therapy dog... service dogs help the blind, people with ms... ect (they help with many disabilities) Therapy dogs, visit hospitals, nursing homes ect to visit with the people there, and bring a smile to their face....

Tucks mom- I am in no way judging the validility of anyone having a service dog for their disabilities... I am how ever being judgemental of those who have a service dog just so they can take their dogs into all places, where most dogs can't go, when the owners are not disabled. That is what my .02 was about.... service dogs do a great service to those that need them, but those that get their dog a "service dog" status so they can take them wherever they want to is just plain wrong.

I would never judge a disabled person, 'service dogs" are for them, not for those who just want to bring their dogs where ever they want to, and use the title to be able to do it legally... (but totally unethical)

yorkieagility · 09-02-2005, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

Well said Tucks Mom. I agree 100%. I think service dogs are wonderful. I used to take my Brittainy to see my clients at Freedom Village in Florida. I didn't have yorkies then. This is a place for assisted living, when i used to be a CNA and workd for homehealth agency.I have a buldging disk now and can't lift. I am a Christian and I am also a Democrat! Some preachers think this is inpossible.oops! off subject. I have thought about taking my sugar to nursing homes because she is so loving to everyone.Loves to give kisses. Would that be a service dog?

If you certified Sugar and took her to nursing homes she would be considered a therapy dog NOT service dog.

bigdog · 09-02-2005, 01:16 PM

That was a good site!Good to hear the pets are getting care. Hope eventually they get back with their families.

bigdog · 09-02-2005, 01:20 PM

She loves people so much and The dissabled and elderly in the nursing homes seem to love all the dogs. I think she would make an excellant therapy dog.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 09-02-2005, 01:23 PM

I disagree that making your dogs service dogs would somehow "ruin it" for the "truly" disabled. There is no detriment to anyone...there is NO negative to anyone making their dog a service dog. There is not a "limit" or some such thing on the number of service dogs allowed in this country or anything. The law is broadly stated to allow "anyone with a qualifying disability" to have a service dog. It is so broad because we all know the healing and intuitive qualities as well as the unconditional love and how valuable that is to a person's health. This has been scientifically proven.

To state that you would be taking this privilege away from someone else somehow if you did it is simply not accurate.

I believe well behaved and trained dogs should be allowed everywhere and we have a law in place that allows all disabled people, no matter how severe, to have their dogs assist them in any way they can. There is no harm in taking advantage of what that law allows for the benefit of you and the dog.

bigdog · 09-02-2005, 01:26 PM

I was agreeing with Tucks mom about our leader, but thats just my opinion, I do believe service dogs are wonderful. I was in a shelter once with a blind lady and a one year old child and she had a Lab service dog. He was great with her and that baby. Don't know what she would have done without him.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 09-02-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by minniemn

Tucks mom- I am in no way judging the validility of anyone having a service dog for their disabilities... I am how ever being judgemental of those who have a service dog just so they can take their dogs into all places, where most dogs can't go, when the owners are not disabled. That is what my .02 was about.... service dogs do a great service to those that need them, but those that get their dog a "service dog" status so they can take them wherever they want to is just plain wrong.

I would never judge a disabled person, 'service dogs" are for them, not for those who just want to bring their dogs where ever they want to, and use the title to be able to do it legally... (but totally unethical)

There is no one on here who would suggest that anyone be so dishonest as to lie about their dog being a service dog. I just think that people do not realize what a "qualifying disability" includes and that they and their dogs can benefit from the healing powers of having them with them all the time.

I know this is true from the comments that have been made whenever I address this issue here and people who thought it was "only seeing eye dogs" who qualify.

I feel it is my duty as a dog lover and a human being who wants to make life as comfortable as possible for anyone suffering from a life altering disability on a daily basis, no matter what it is, to let them know about this law.

In light of the tragedy of all the pet deaths in the wake of this disaster, I felt again the need to remind people that it can benefit their beloved pet as well in some emergency situations.

If you have a qualifying disability, wouldn't you want to make your dogs and or dogs service animals so that in the event of a natural disaster for which there was no ability to pre plan and prepare, you could save your dogs' life?

There are people on here everyday who talk about "sneaking" their dogs into places and I do not negatively judge those who do this, and neither has anyone else, so why the uproar and negative posts about service dogs? I am confused.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 09-02-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

I was agreeing with Tucks mom about our leader, but thats just my opinion, I do believe service dogs are wonderful. I was in a shelter once with a blind lady and a one year old child and she had a Lab service dog. He was great with her and that baby. Don't know what she would have done without him.

I am also in agreement regarding our unfortunate and so out of touch President. It has only added to this tragedy. If it had been Florida or Texas the repsonse would have been much different. So sad.

bigdog · 09-02-2005, 01:41 PM

Amen to that

09-02-2005, 01:23 PM	#54
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I disagree that making your dogs service dogs would somehow "ruin it" for the "truly" disabled. There is no detriment to anyone...there is NO negative to anyone making their dog a service dog. There is not a "limit" or some such thing on the number of service dogs allowed in this country or anything. The law is broadly stated to allow "anyone with a qualifying disability" to have a service dog. It is so broad because we all know the healing and intuitive qualities as well as the unconditional love and how valuable that is to a person's health. This has been scientifically proven. To state that you would be taking this privilege away from someone else somehow if you did it is simply not accurate. I believe well behaved and trained dogs should be allowed everywhere and we have a law in place that allows all disabled people, no matter how severe, to have their dogs assist them in any way they can. There is no harm in taking advantage of what that law allows for the benefit of you and the dog. Last edited by SoCalyorkiLvr; 09-02-2005 at 01:27 PM.

09-02-2005, 11:20 AM	#46
minniemn YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 364	Thanks Lisa and Villette, I remember talking about this before, I can't remember who with (I suffer from CRS... can't remember s***) anyways... I posted and didn't know if I should duck, or not... but it is just my opinion, and who am I anyways? Just another yorkie lover... animal lover.

09-02-2005, 11:57 AM	#48
Tuck'smom Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DeBary, FL Posts: 140	Gandhi said, "The morality of a country can be judged by the way it treats its animals." I find it reprehensible that people are being forced to leave their pets behind regardless of their socioeconomic status. I find the inaction of that person who (JMO) unfortunately runs this country also reprehensible. He is the president of the free world - if he wanted those people to have water and food, they would. Plain and simple. I work with some veterans who are also appalled at that evil man's (again, JMO) failure to mobilize the resources available to air drop food and water and to evacuate those in New Orleans. The guys here tell me the military has the ability to erect massive sheltering structures in a matter of hours, the ability to have done plenty, but chooses not to. Perhaps it is this regime's view as well that the people there are not worthy. Back to the topic - it is not up to me to judge the form, nature or validity of a person's disability. Nor is it up to me to judge whether or not or how their animal might be of "service" in living and functioning with said disability. Kim, keep up the good work. Dana

09-02-2005, 12:54 PM	#49
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 347 Blog Entries: 1	Well said Tucks Mom. I agree 100%. I think service dogs are wonderful. I used to take my Brittainy to see my clients at Freedom Village in Florida. I didn't have yorkies then. This is a place for assisted living, when i used to be a CNA and workd for homehealth agency.I have a buldging disk now and can't lift. I am a Christian and I am also a Democrat! Some preachers think this is inpossible.oops! off subject. I have thought about taking my sugar to nursing homes because she is so loving to everyone.Loves to give kisses. Would that be a service dog?

09-02-2005, 01:05 PM	#50
minniemn YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 364	Big Dog- that would be a therapy dog... service dogs help the blind, people with ms... ect (they help with many disabilities) Therapy dogs, visit hospitals, nursing homes ect to visit with the people there, and bring a smile to their face.... Tucks mom- I am in no way judging the validility of anyone having a service dog for their disabilities... I am how ever being judgemental of those who have a service dog just so they can take their dogs into all places, where most dogs can't go, when the owners are not disabled. That is what my .02 was about.... service dogs do a great service to those that need them, but those that get their dog a "service dog" status so they can take them wherever they want to is just plain wrong. I would never judge a disabled person, 'service dogs" are for them, not for those who just want to bring their dogs where ever they want to, and use the title to be able to do it legally... (but totally unethical)

09-02-2005, 01:16 PM	#52
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 347 Blog Entries: 1	That was a good site!Good to hear the pets are getting care. Hope eventually they get back with their families.

09-02-2005, 01:20 PM	#53
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 347 Blog Entries: 1	She loves people so much and The dissabled and elderly in the nursing homes seem to love all the dogs. I think she would make an excellant therapy dog.

09-02-2005, 01:26 PM	#55
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 347 Blog Entries: 1	I was agreeing with Tucks mom about our leader, but thats just my opinion, I do believe service dogs are wonderful. I was in a shelter once with a blind lady and a one year old child and she had a Lab service dog. He was great with her and that baby. Don't know what she would have done without him.

09-02-2005, 01:41 PM	#58
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 347 Blog Entries: 1	Amen to that