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01-31-2009, 09:06 AM | #1 |
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| Florida Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bill Introduced [Thursday, January 22, 2009] Legislation that seeks to prohibit persons from owning or maintaining an intact dog or cat older than four months old has been filed in the Florida House. If adopted, Florida House Bill 451 would have a profound negative impact not only on responsible dog breeders in Florida, but also on all current and prospective dog owners. It is vital that all breeders and concerned dog owners in Florida contact their elected state legislators and voice their strong opposition to this unreasonable and unenforceable measure. wow this is crazy.. more here American Kennel Club - Florida Mandatory Spay/Neuter Bill Introduced
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01-31-2009, 11:06 AM | #2 |
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| I'm all for helping to save animals in shelters, which this might do. But this is a bit extreme, is anyone else just really concerned that it says 4 months? I know a lot of pet owners with small dogs and most dogs at 4 months are very, very tiny. I just hope no other states start adopting this extreme measure. |
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01-31-2009, 11:39 AM | #5 |
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| I hope the primary motivation isn't money.
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01-31-2009, 01:36 PM | #6 |
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| I don't know enough about this yet to form a full opinion. My immediate reaction is that 4 months is really young- maybe 6 months would be a little more realistic? It does say: Require owners of every dog or cat in Florida to have each animal sterilized within 30 days of the animal reaching four months of age, or within 30 days of the owner receiving the animal. Which means you really wouldn't have to neuter the animal until 5 months of age. Also the exceptions: Provide ambiguous exemptions, including dogs with veterinary certification showing that sterilization would endanger the animal’s health, until such issues no longer exist; Greyhounds currently used for racing, until retirement; show animals registered with an established breed registration organization to be approved by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services; dogs or cats that have earned, or are in the process of earning, a competitive sports title; animals trained, or in training, for use in law enforcement, military, or rescue; and animals for which an owner holds a valid breeding permit issued in accordance with an ordinance of a county or municipality. So people who show would be exempt and breeders who don't could apply for a permit. Also dogs too small to safely neuter could be exempted. Depending on how this is implemented and how it ends up I would think it has the potential to be a good thing.
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01-31-2009, 01:38 PM | #7 |
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| I know some people are going to be vehemently against this. We don't have to all agree and I hope we can keep this thread nice.
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01-31-2009, 04:36 PM | #8 |
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| Leave it to our State! What about tiny dogs like my Sophie? She is 5 months old and I am waiting until she gets a bit bigger before I have her spayed? |
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01-31-2009, 05:16 PM | #10 |
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| I think that's a little too extreme. I think they should go out and inspect the breeders facilities, and if there up to snuff give them a license to breed. If not they should be made to spay/neuter depending on the size of the dog.
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01-31-2009, 07:10 PM | #11 | |
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I understand the AKC being against this as breeding is their income. All of my dogs are AKC and I do believe it's the most responsible registry in the US but we all know the dollar is the bottom line or we wouldn't have so many AKC puppy mill dogs.
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01-31-2009, 10:37 PM | #12 |
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| Does the proposed law give any criteria for obtaining a breeding permit? Because if it doesn't, this won't do anything to eliminate puppy mills. Absent a requirement for a site inspection...and regular re-inspection...the mill owners will simply get a breeding license and may even use that as a sales technique "Licensed by the State of Florida." If the cost of the breeding permit is high, that can also benefit puppy mills as it can effectively limit the number of hobby breeders who can't afford the permit. I understand the intent is probably to reduce the number of accidental breedings among the general dog population, but I'm not sure this is the best way to go about it.
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02-01-2009, 05:02 AM | #13 |
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| That is the silliest thing I have ever heard. They should be fined for wasting tax payers money. |
02-01-2009, 05:20 AM | #14 |
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| As a Floridian, and also as someone who lives next door to a man who has dogs he allows to indiscriminately breed and is constantly giving away "free puppies" at our local grocery store, I think it could be an excellent law IF it weren't so costly to have a dog spayed or neutered. The average cost is over $300.00 at our local vets. Unfortunately it's the people who can't afford the spay/neuter fees who are the ones who allow their dogs freedom to breed without any control. |
02-01-2009, 05:31 AM | #15 |
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| I actually think this is a good thing if they were to do some revisions. I don't agree with 4 months. That is too young and some vets won't even do it that young. I also think it needs to be noted that those dogs that are unable to get spayed/neutered due to health/reasons, size, etc should be exempt with a veterinarian consent/letter. I can predict though that vets being overrun by people complaining about random reasons why their dog can't get fixed trying to get out of it. Also, if they are going to place a mandatory law to have all dogs fixed, they should make a way to have it more affordable for those with low income. I don't see this as a bad thing and maybe this might cut down on puppy mills and the over crowdedness in shelters, which would be great!
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