It may be a good idea to start you own thread and ask these questions. Sometimes people who have gotten pups this early do have a problem with aggression and especially biting too hard. This is something that the mother dog teaches, exactly how hard to bite. Start your own thread, and you will get some advice.

Hun dont beat your self up about, some of us know what you were saying and venting about. They to have made mistakes, but they wont admit to it, everyone learns from their mistakes.
Its better to keep these little ones longer and I can see your concern about it. even though i have bought pups at 6-8 weeks of age that has done wonderful, I wouldnt let my pups go that soon. This thread wasnt about you having the male fix but about the pups leaving so soon.

It's generally preferrable that small breeds stay until 12 weeks old. That being said...I have gotten mine at various ages. One @ 8 weeks, one @ 10, another @ 15, and Reggie, my biewer, was 12 weeks.

You'll probably get more answers in regards to training and aggression issues if you start another thread. :)

She probably came from a puppymill. Missouri is the Puppy Mill Capital of the United States. Have you checked the USDA list for her breeder's name?

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

The USDA requires breeders not to sell puppies before eight weeks of age. The moment they turn eight weeks, they are loaded up and sold. :(

Puppies taken from their mom and littermates miss important lessons in socialization including bite inhibition. Puppymill puppies have very little human contact so socialization is even more difficult.

You will have to teach her those lessons yourself. Here's a good article on bite inhibition.

Dog Owner's Guide: "No bite!"

OK OK it's my fault she has the pups and it's my fault if they go at six weeks. I guess I should have just let him stay in the crappy environment he was in and possibly would have died in instead of taking him and not getting him fixed.. I guess his life wasn't as important as his balls.. Thanks for everyones input.. Have a nice day!!!!

I don't understand your tone here. Nobody implied anything of the sort and no one has attacked you since your last post so I'm unsure as to why you're so angry.

I wasn't accusing you of lying; I just couldn't find it and was wondering where it was.

I don't think anyone is saying you should have left him in a crappy environment. What they are saying is that after you rescued him it was your responsibility to have him neutered, especially if you were selling/rehoming him and didn't want him used for breeding.

If you didn't care that he may be used for breeding well then you can't then be surprised that a lady that doesn't know anything about breeding has pups and is selling them way to early to make a fast buck.

You said if he had been yours as a pup he wouldn't have left unaltered. Well , he WAS your pup. You rescued him with intentions of keeping him , so you should have made sure he was fixed before he left like you would a pup "born" to you. There is no difference.

Ok I am sure I am gonna get a good brow beating for this but before you do please just hear me out. I understand that alot of people are irresponsible breeders and toy breeds need more attention when breed and alot of people are equipt to handle it. However, I think that a breeder getting extra money off breeding rights or even having such control over what "Bob" does with his dog it not correct. It is "his" dog, and I think the responsiblity of breeding it or not should be left in the hands of the person who owns the animal. I do agree however that most dogs should be pet only and so on, but it is not you the breeders right to decide who can do what with their dog, more-so when you charge the price of a used car for the dog!! Yorkies very expensive dogs, and the prices that breeders charge for them is part of what fuels people to breed their dogs " to get their money back" or whatever else. I understand both sides but I think breeders should not have the right to control who breeds and who doesn't and why do they need to charge an extra fee for breeding?

I'm not a breeder and I know nothing about it really ...but I think ( JMO)they charge extra so people like me won't try to breed dogs . Since I clearly know nothing about breeding , I would inevitably hurt the line. So I think they charge more to discourage people from doing that.

Where did you see this? I have never heard of such a requirement with AKC. It might be a suggestion to breeders, but its not a requirement. I got my first Yorkie at 5 weeks old.(didnt know any better) got AkC papers with no problem. I see the paper is full of AKC dog litters for sale that are under 8 weeks of age.

No Hun his life was way more important then his :bulb::bulb:
( bulbs will have to do)
I can understand why shes getting upset, this is yet another thread that has went off topic, she was talking about the lady letting the pups go to early. she never asked if she should of got the dog fixed before rehoming.maybe she should of, but thats not what this thread is about.

Just spoken to someone within the Yorkshire terrier club UK and she says that the right time is between 8-10 weeks old depending on the size/weight of the puppy and if they have had there first jabs.

Seems alot of inconsistancy here.

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I didn't think you were....:)

I never said breeders necessarily followed this rule. Give me awhile to read the pdf's and I'll post it.

When I bought her, I did a search on maltese breeders in NC, hers was the 2nd or 3rd name that came up on maltese breeders, that was 6 years ago, and this is the last time I'm saying anything about it. I know where I bought her and how I found her. I don't care if she was in NC or timbuktoo, I'm just telling you how I found her and where she was from.

I've heard this before....."well, I paid for him, I should be able to do what I want".......I've never understood that position. Everyday, people either buy things or sign contracts that have stipulations regarding their usage of whatever "it" is.....even YT has a "user agreement" we have to abide by. But for some reason, some people think buying a dog is different:confused:

And the idea that it's okay to breed to "make your money back" is just sad. Most yorkie owners would be the first to tell you, "their yorkie is like their child"..........would anyone EVER expect to make their money back on their child?:eek:

Btw, no reputable breeder should sell with breeding rights, unless it's to another proven reputable breeder they trust and have maintained a relationship with.

And as far as the high price of yorkies? It's a simple matter of supply and demand. YT membership has gone from a handful to 41,000+ members in a matter of 5 years. That tells you how high the demand for yorkies has become in the past couple of years.

Sadly, because of that same demand and the perceived $$ to make, you now have everybody and their uncle breeding.

Being a byb and then to come on YT and complain about another person breeding would be laughable, except it is quite sad, as ultimately, the dogs are the one to pay the price.:(

Psssh, I do. :rolleyes: I rent my 7yo out to the neighbors for cheap labor all the time. Make her earn her keep. I wouldn't have had a child if I didn't think that I could break even somehow. At 1.00/hr for raking leaves and shoveling snow, I figure she'll have paid off her debt to me sometime around the year 2053. I tried to explain to her that if she would simply stop eating every day and limit her showers to once per week, she could significantly cut down on the expenses I was owed, but then she changed the subject to address the hourly rental fee for her toys that I'd promised to renegotiate, so I kind of got sidetracked....:p

LMAO.....Dang - Is there any hope for me, my sons are 21 and 23....OR... as usual, did I miss the train on this one too?!?!:p

I would be tough with your daughter in your negotiations, jobs are hard to come by these days.....I'm sure another parent's child is looking for a more lucrative offer ;)

Without finding my one post, I think I said the maltese was supposedly 6 weeks when I got her. Actually, I refigured, and she was actually supposed to have been 1 day shy of 9 weeks, but, she didn't even have her teeth yet and couldn't even eat her food. I'm thinking she was more like 5-6 weeks. Just to clear that up
To OP, you're kind of like me, you take people for their word, unfortunately, a lot of people lie, and I'm sure she had every intention of breeding, which is really sad.

WOW, I didn't know you could do that. My 6 owe me a lot of money. However I plan to get it back, one way or another before I die.

I agree, my guess is she was 6 weeks or less. How horrible. Mine aren't even completely weaned by that age.

What about owner responsibility? I am so tired of breeders getting blamed for everything. It is not always in the best interest of the dog to have them neutered at a very young age and actually with male dogs, neutering them can cause more health problems than benefits. Pet owners should take responsibility to make sure their unaltered dogs do not get pregnant or get another dog pregnant.

The following is a excerpt from this website:

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

If every yorkie breeder adhered to the guidelines set forth by the YTCA then very few of us would ever own a yorkie, let alone experience the joy of breeding. The YTCA consists of around 500 members if I remember correctly and I know many of them don't breed or breed very seldom. Most will never give breeding rights to anyone. It is not that easy to even find a pet yorkie from one of them.

Breeders need to be responsible in placing puppies in loving homes at a proper age and in many cases they should be sold with limited registration but to blame breeders for an accidental breeding that happened to a dog they sold is ridiculous. Some people act like it is a mortal sin for a pet owner to let their dog have puppies.

I feel that YT offers a wealth of information for breeders and pet owners but if we keep running off new members because they ask a question we think is silly or if they don't do things exactly like we think they should then what are we accomplishing? I see it over and over again and I think it is sad.

Is she giving them away at 6 weeks or just allowing the buyer to choose the one they want at 6 weeks? I wasn't sure how to take that when I read it.

I agree with the part of how experienced someone is. Roxie is the first Yorkie and small dog I have ever had. I always had big dogs before. I got her at 9 weeks and it was pretty intimidating at first. Thank goodness my sister-in-law has 3 small dogs, was a vet tech and now working as a groomer. She helped me with alot of stuff even just by watching her with her own. Also finding YT has helped a ton, of course you don't have to take all the advise but there is such a big support system here. It didn't help that Roxie was very sick and had to be nursed to the picture of health she is today. She was so small when I got her and I was scared to do one thing wrong. Again I totally agree on experience esp. if the puppy is under 10 weeks or so.

Sure you can...you just have to make sure that the proper authorities don't catch wind of it...;)

That doesn't make her a "top" breeder, just one of the first few hits on a Google search. North Carolina is full of backyard breeders and puppymills.

If you are going to use facts in an argument, you need to make sure they are accurate.

No, no, no...5 year olds are far too young to lease to neighbors for cheap labor. They must be restricted to labor within the household...:rolleyes:

wow everyone has pretty strong opinions...maybe she just wanted someone to talk to about it not be judged or told how wrong she is...sometimes im offended by the things some people say and the way they say it...a little niceness wouldnt hurt huh?...maybe we should start treating the fellow yorkietalkers like we do our yorkies :D (unless of course they are harming the little ones?)