I know these people are the ones that say this. I also know a lot of excellent breeders that let their bigger ones go at 8-10 weeks.

I guess my only comment is a question. I wonder if Jexxie will dare come back? :confused:

I have read many articles on socialization that recommend placing pups between 8 to 12 weeks old. Personally I thinks pups adjust best if they are sold around 8 to 10 weeks.

The YTCA is a club and the code of ethics is for its members. It also says this:
While I respect the YTCA and what they are trying to achieve, I do not believe that just because a person sells a puppy before they are 12 weeks old, they are automatically 'unreputable breeders'. The YTCA is primarily made up of show breeders and there are many reasons for them to keep a puppy until they are 12 weeks or older.

To the OP......I am glad the lady is keeping the puppies until they are 9 weeks old. I think that is a great age to let pets go to their new home. Hopefully they will do well.

30 years ago I had a German Shepard who had a litter of 10 pups - I didn't and couldn't imagine letting them go at 6 weeks old! They're big dogs but they still need to be with their littermates and Mom. It IS a socializing thing!!! What's the rush anyway?

Dogs can't talk? Well, come on over to my house - I think Mia and Max would tell you differently.

Just because you can - doesn't mean you should.

What A shame... Again, Ifeel sad for those puppies. They are the ones who lose in the end . :( I am referring to the yorkie breed. Specifically . The others probably benifit as well to be with their litter mates and mother! Sorry you think it is "BS" however, a good, reputable breeder would not sell their puppies until 12 weeks old.

I'm sorry you feel this way I really do. But, mine aren't lacking on anything. And the golden retriever we had, was put down at 18 because she had cancer. My dogs have had better lives than a lot of people that wait until they are older to get them. and for Cj or whatever, I also have a german shepherd, I got her at 7 weeks, she is one of the best shepherds I've ever known, would never bite anyone unless they were hurting me or hubby

bjh;2405570]I have read many articles on socialization that recommend placing pups between 8 to 12 weeks old. Personally I thinks pups adjust best if they are sold around 8 to 10 weeks.

The YTCA is a club and the code of ethics is for its members. It also says this:


While I respect the YTCA and what they are trying to achieve, I do not believe that just because a person sells a puppy before they are 12 weeks old, they are automatically 'unreputable breeders'. The YTCA is primarily made up of show breeders and there are many reasons for them to keep a puppy until they are 12 weeks or older.

To the OP......I am glad the lady is keeping the puppies until they are 9 weeks old. I think that is a great age to let pets go to their new home. Hopefully they will do well.[/quote]
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It seems as though this lady was looking to breed. I mean, she already had an "unspayed" female and got a male from you...I don't see how it was an "accident".

I def. feel like 6 weeks is way too early and I don't think we should be telling people it is..that is if we truly want to do what's best for the breed we love. I say that because it's mostly New yorkie owners or New dog owners that seem to be getting them so early. If you have experience owning dogs(well, small dogs/yorkies in general), then you may know how to care for a 6 week old ..but someone who's hasn't....not a good idea..for them or the puppy. Some will do well, some may not...why take the chance?
Around 10 weeks at the least I think is the earliest I would let any go.

This argument is so tired and it shouldn't even BE an argument.

NO BREEDER worth buying from would let their dogs go before 12 weeks. I'm sorry, that's just the truth. If you were practicing ethical breeding practices and breeding for the proper reasons (i.e. bettering the breed, instead of trying to make a profit), you would follow every code of conduct the YTCA puts forth. It's absurd for anyone to suggest that the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America doesn't know what it's talking about. Really? :confused: They're the ones who set the standard, for heaven's sake! It's like saying you want to get a job to improve a company and then completely ignoring the company's policies. It makes no sense and no amount of "successful" anecdotes about how your dog did fine will change my mind.

To the OP, sorry this got so off topic. It is horrible what has happened to your pups but now you know for next time.

The YTCA isn't the only one that recommends 12 weeks. For those interested here's an article that explains why the 12-week rule is important for small breeds. Why do Maltese puppies need to be 12 weeks old before going to a new home??. Breeder socialization with the puppy is important as well, and if you are purchasing from a poor breeder who doesn't socialize properly, you may not have received full benefits from the longer socialization process.

You're right off topic, and again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You have one, correct??

I read that, isn't it funny, the maltese breeder I got mine from was on a list of reputable breeders in NC when I got mine 6 years ago. I know she couldn't have even been 5 weeks, less 6 like she told me she was.

What exactly is your point?

That why it's important to do more than check out a list. Just because someone is a member of the YTCA, it doesn't mean I would buy a dog from them.

I agreed it got off topic, and I said everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as you have your own and I have my own. Thats what makes us all individuals.:)

I agree. this lady was like at the top of maltese breeders, you should have seen where she lived, it was terrible. but, live and learn, I learned a lot after that experience. If someone else would have had this little girl, she probably never would have made it, and it ended up costing me an arm and leg having to take her in to the emergency vet on Xmas Eve.

I usually don't jump into these kind of threads that turn into nothing but arguments but why do you keep stressing the fact that your Maltese came form a bad breeder in NC? There's bad breeders in every state, not just here!

I have lived in North Carolina for 14 years. There are no breeders in North Carolina on the American Maltese Association's Breeder Referral list nor were there when you got your Maltese.

http://www.americanmaltese.org/2007_..._List_2008.pdf

Care to share what list you are talking about?

There are not and never have been "top" Maltese breeders in North Carolina.

Just to be clear my male I rehomed, for a fair adoption fee, was 2 years old. The person I sold him to told me she was going to have her female fixed in 2 weeks. She then told me that she caught them tied and she didn't even know her dog was in heat. I understand how you may think it is partially my fault because he wasn't fixed, but at the low adoption fee I got ($175) and driving an hour and a half, I would think that the new owner could be a responsible one and pay to have him fixed herself, or atleast have her female fixed like she said she was going to. Had I known that I was going to be so childishly attacked for sharing something with this community, I would have kept my mouth shut. Up until now, everyone has been very friendly and helpful. And besides all the BS, my concern wasn't that she had bred her female. That's her business and I can't help what goes on there.. my concern was she was letting the pups go at 6 wks. I, as a concerned yorkie parent, emailed her and told her she should not let them go at 6 weeks and she agreed to keep them until 9. As I said previously, I KNOW they shouldn't leave before 12 weeks, but 9 weeks is alot better than 6. Atleast they will be fully weaned. I however am not going to accept responsibility for what she does with her pups just because my male wasn't fixed. You all are entitled to your own opinions........but I'm sure that somewhere in the mix theres a dog somewhere sitting in a shelter that has came from one of your lines. Do you hold yourselves accountable for that too? It is out of my hands now, I can only hope she does the right thing. So, that being said, I guess YorkieTalk was good while it lasted and I shall now find another site that isn't going to attack me, to share my feelings with..

AKC requires their breeders to keep all puppy breeds until they are 8 weeks of age.

Given the fact all of my dogs go happily into their crates on their own...I'd say speaks volumes.

Another side note - the woman's ad now says 8 weeks...not 9.

You're a breeder, right? Please just take away a valuable lesson from this experience. Reputable breeders spay and neuter adults before they are placed in pet homes. The new owner is expected to pay the cost of the spay or neuter, updating shots, etc.

Where does it say that? I looked all over their website and couldn't find it. I must have missed it somehow..

You should have considered a spay/neuter clause in your contract....did you have a contract?

You really can't say anything if you didn't.

Please do not take offense by the remarks of a few frustrated people. There are many good people on this forum and you just got caught up in a on going debate. I know you did what you felt was best.

There is a list of pdf's available for reading. It's in there. It also states SMALL breed puppies should remain until they are 12 weeks old.

I had ONE litter of pups so NO, I wouldn't call myself a breeder. The male I rehomed DID NOT come from my litter. He was a rescue dog and didn't get along with my male rat a poo that I have. And being that I've had my rat a poo since he was a tiny pup I felt it was only right to rehome the male yorkie. I only had the male yorkie for 4 months and he was 1 1/2 yrs old or so when I got him. When I got him he wasn't fixed either. So think whatever you want to. Had he been mine as a pup, he woudln't have left my house unaltered. But, as I said, he was a rescue dog. The only reason I charged a rehoming fee for him was because I wasn't about to give him away..who knows where he would have ended up. Anyone would take a free dog.. Epsecially a yorkie.

And also, NO I didn't have a contract in writing. As I said, she told me she was going to have her female fixed. So yes, my bad, I should have got it in writing. I just felt that they would provide him with a good home, which I feel he is getting. Hopefully the pups will go to good loving homes as well. Although I don't agree with what she is doing, I know my dog is getting well taken care of. She has kept in contact with me consistenly and sends me pictures of him all the time. She could very well have been planning on having her female fixed, as she only had my male for two weeks when they tied.. All I know is I was upset about the pups leaving so young. That's it. And frankly I'm over this conversation. My hands hurt from typing and I don't really feel the need to explain myself any further.

I hesitate to respond because I get soo tired of people accusing me of attacking them. I disagree with you and your excuse for not having him altered. I believe it makes no difference whether you get a newborn puppy or a rescue; you are responsible for that dog, and the dog's offspring. I understand that rehoming is sometime necessary, but great pains should be taken to find the proper home, and an adult should always be altered before being placed. I'm not yelling at you for not doing it this way, I'm saying I hope in the future you look at it differently, and I hope other people reading this will consider what I'm saying. This forum is about education, and sometimes the written word sounds harsh, but you can learn something here. You do sound like a caring person. Many breeders have gotten burned, but I hope you have learned a lesson.

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Does this mean I got mine way to early?? I got her when she turn 8 weeks, got her from a place in Missouri paid 600 for her plus 250 for the flight to CA. I need help with training and she's a bit aggressive sometimes when u play with her. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.:)

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