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Breezeaway 11-23-2008 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2345256)
Jeanie

Where'd everyone go ... musta been something we said???? :questione :questione :questione
:awink: :sidesplt:

yorkiekist 11-23-2008 04:59 PM
I think most of us are sick of how the "color" threads turn out.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...cats_fight.gif

Its always the same ole, same ole.

Pinehaven 11-24-2008 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2345317)
Probably a bunch of people tired of having the same argument over and over again. :rolleyes:
You had asked me a question about "different" parti lines and the research that's been done in each different line, to insure there are no health issues. My reply to you was that many of the "different" lines seem to all be descendants of one dog.

That information, and the information I posted earlier about what the breeder of this dog had told AKC during the Nikko's Parti investigation in the late
1990's, I only learned of in the past 2 months from researching farther back into pedigrees and from a letter written by one of the parties involved in the investigation.

The one common dog that is seen in the Nikko line and many of the other "outcross" parti lines is Ch Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance. Now, if this dog was a parti carrier, and has passed on the parti gene for nearly 50 years through his offspring, why is it so hard to believe that the parti gene was not passed down to him by other carriers who lived 50-60 years prior to his birth?

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2346348)
You had asked me a question about "different" parti lines and the research that's been done in each different line, to insure there are no health issues. My reply to you was that many of the "different" lines seem to all be descendants of one dog.
Yes, I read your response the first time you posted it. :p Sorry I didn't take the time to thank you for answering or acknowledge your response. :)

That does not, however, change my response and suspicion as to "where everyone went." ;)

diggy4 11-24-2008 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2346348)
You had asked me a question about "different" parti lines and the research that's been done in each different line, to insure there are no health issues. My reply to you was that many of the "different" lines seem to all be descendants of one dog.

That information, and the information I posted earlier about what the breeder of this dog had told AKC during the Nikko's Parti investigation in the late
1990's, I only learned of in the past 2 months from researching farther back into pedigrees and from a letter written by one of the parties involved in the investigation.

The one common dog that is seen in the Nikko line and many of the other "outcross" parti lines is Ch Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance. Now, if this dog was a parti carrier, and has passed on the parti gene for nearly 50 years through his offspring, why is it so hard to believe that the parti gene was not passed down to him by other carriers who lived 50-60 years prior to his birth?
Hi Sue! Just wanted to say your posts are informative as usual. I for one hear what you are saying, and Im still stuck on if 2 of the dogs that originally created the yorkshire terrier are extinct, how can there even begin to be and argument on where this gene comes from? Maybe its been here all along? Kinda like how in my family we are American Indian (my kids father is also) as far back as we can track everyone has blackish brown hair and eyes so dark you can barely see our pupils. Yet I end up with Yellowish eyes, and my son comes to me with lighter hair and beautiful green eyes. Im going assume those genes were somewhere in our lines, but alllllllll my family on both sides has NO idea where. Happens :rolleyes: Your avatar is very nice :)

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 2346397)
Your avatar is very nice :)
Speaking of avatars, look at yours! ;) Ewwwwww.....aren't you in the wrong state for that!? :p

Bhikku 11-24-2008 08:20 AM
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Speaking of avatars, look at yours! ;) Ewwwwww.....aren't you in the wrong state for that!? :p
I went to both schools. :D Transferred to Alabama after I decided Pre-Vet was not going to be my kind of gig.

Chloe2008 11-24-2008 08:27 AM
Wow i didnt know this! I love this website as i learn so much! I will be donating on payday as i fully support this site! Thanks admin for this site!

diggy4 11-24-2008 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2346420)
Speaking of avatars, look at yours! ;) Ewwwwww.....aren't you in the wrong state for that!? :p
I'm not from here. I'm a War Eagle. I think my avatar is Lovely.

Bhikku 11-24-2008 08:47 AM
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I think most of us are sick of how the "color" threads turn out.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...cats_fight.gif

Its always the same ole, same ole.
Honestly, I didn't know it was such a point of contention among yorkie fanciers, or I wouldn't have posted about it. I just don't know much about Yorkshire Terriers, Biewer Terriers, or any kind of toy breed really, so I figured someone on here would know...

I was curious. :animal-pa

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 2346457)
I'm not from here. I'm a War Eagle. I think my avatar is Lovely.
:p My condolences. ;)

diggy4 11-24-2008 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2346477)
:p My condolences. ;)
Thank You! Thats very kind. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you. :)

yorkiekist 11-24-2008 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bhikku (Post 2346469)
Honestly, I didn't know it was such a point of contention among yorkie fanciers, or I wouldn't have posted about it. I just don't know much about Yorkshire Terriers, Biewer Terriers, or any kind of toy breed really, so I figured someone on here would know...

I was curious. :animal-pa
The ignor list is a WONDERFUL THING!!LOL
Glad you asked the question though. Us died in the wool Yorkie fanciers do have strong opinions on color and back up the YTCA standard 100%. The parti people, choco lovers, and blonds will not change the standard. There have been way to many unethical and irresponsible breeders in the past and now its impossible to DNA or unravel what damage that has been done to this breed. I suggest reading articles and books by the Gordon/Bennett twins. They were the gurus of this breed and responsible, for the most part, bringing them recognised in this country. Their entire life was Yorkies!! No one has done more research about them that they have and no one has as much hands on experience than they did.

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 2346496)
Thank You! Thats very kind. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you. :)
Ha ha...I'm afraid to even ask. Will the game this weekend be broadcast where you are?

manolos mom 11-24-2008 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2346477)
:p My condolences. ;)
Im not an Alabama football fan but your guys are kicken some butt. I do love the song Sweet Home Alabama....My daughter wants to swim for Auburn...Have a sunshinny day...

manolos mom 11-24-2008 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2346508)
Ha ha...I'm afraid to even ask. Will the game this weekend be broadcast where you are?
Oh by the way I love UGA the bulldog..My middle child graduated from UGA this year...GO DAUGS....

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 2346513)
Im not an Alabama football fan but your guys are kicken some butt. I do love the song Sweet Home Alabama....My daughter wants to swim for Auburn...Have a sunshinny day...
Hopefully they can keep it up for a few more games. Auburn has an excellent swim team though. I think the name UGA was very cute to give their mascot.

bchgirl 11-24-2008 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 2346496)
Thank You! Thats very kind. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you. :)

Dang Bama....that's like the second person...you are making friends left and right here.

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2346636)
Dang Bama....that's like the second person...you are making friends left and right here.
Shhh...you have to keep that kind of thing on the DL. ;)Don't want to tarnish my reputation, you know. :p

bchgirl 11-24-2008 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2346641)
Shhh...you have to keep that kind of thing on the DL. ;)Don't want to tarnish my reputation, you know. :p
It's all good and don't worry....fairly confident you'll tick someone off before the week is out.

LOL...

Pinehaven 11-24-2008 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2346497)
The ignor list is a WONDERFUL THING!!LOL
Glad you asked the question though. Us died in the wool Yorkie fanciers do have strong opinions on color and back up the YTCA standard 100%. The parti people, choco lovers, and blonds will not change the standard. There have been way to many unethical and irresponsible breeders in the past and now its impossible to DNA or unravel what damage that has been done to this breed. I suggest reading articles and books by the Gordon/Bennett twins. They were the gurus of this breed and responsible, for the most part, bringing them recognised in this country. Their entire life was Yorkies!! No one has done more research about them that they have and no one has as much hands on experience than they did.
The Gordon/Bennett twins are of the Wildweir prefixed kennel? According to the e-mail correspondence I have from one of the parties involved in the Nikkos investigation, Wildweir was the one who told AKC they had more parti's than the Nikkos lines but that they got "rid" of them.

The parti coloring in a number of "thought to be outcross lines" are all tracing back to one particular Wildweir dog. I don't think there is more than one "old time" breeder with the Wildweir name? Once you put 2 and 2 together, I tend to lean toward what the research, documentation and pedigrees are pointing to.

I guess only the parties involved would know the answer for sure, the investigators from AKC, the parti owners fighting for registration privileges and the old time breeders that AKC interviewed about parti color showing up in their past/early litters.

BamaFan121s 11-24-2008 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2346648)
It's all good and don't worry....fairly confident you'll tick someone off before the week is out.

LOL...
Ha ha...I'm sure you are right! :p

RebelBelle 11-24-2008 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2346679)
Ha ha...I'm sure you are right! :p
Don't worry girl! I just look at your avatar and get ticked off so you're still safe.

P.S. Hotty Toddy!

Nancy1999 11-24-2008 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bhikku (Post 2346469)
Honestly, I didn't know it was such a point of contention among yorkie fanciers, or I wouldn't have posted about it. I just don't know much about Yorkshire Terriers, Biewer Terriers, or any kind of toy breed really, so I figured someone on here would know...

I was curious. :animal-pa
I always worry that newbies will be put off by too much information! It's like you want a basic answer and you get a course on physics! I always think of this question, as being similar to the "Mommy where do babies come from," question, there are many ways to answer it, and some just give way too much information for the basic learner. :D

diggy4 11-24-2008 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2346696)
I always worry that newbies will be put off by too much information! It's like you want a basic answer and you get a course on physics! I always think of this question, as being similar to the "Mommy where do babies come from," question, there are many ways to answer it, and some just give way too much information for the basic learner. :D
couldnt help but giggle when I read this....SO TRUE :rolleyes:

I remember my first "controversial" question. :eek: It was a doooosie

Should I breed Diggy??? LMAO welp lets just say that got answered and Diggy is neutered.

Thank goodness too Can you imagine a world with more than 1 Diggy :eek::eek::eek: LOL bless his lil heart......;)

Nancy1999 11-24-2008 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by diggy4 (Post 2346884)
couldnt help but giggle when I read this....SO TRUE :rolleyes:

I remember my first "controversial" question. :eek: It was a doooosie

Should I breed Diggy??? LMAO welp lets just say that got answered and Diggy is neutered.

Thank goodness too Can you imagine a world with more than 1 Diggy :eek::eek::eek: LOL bless his lil heart......;)
Oh me too, I'm so glad I used the search feature, and just found answers that way, it also helped me to learn how to write a response that doesn't sound so judgmental, I'm still working on that though. :D

diggy4 11-24-2008 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2346936)
Oh me too, I'm so glad I used the search feature, and just found answers that way, it also helped me to learn how to write a response that doesn't sound so judgmental, I'm still working on that though. :D
Know what mean there too. Hard telling when you have to express yourself thru a keyboard. Sometimes I re-read my post and think hmmm:rolleyes: I sound like a complete butt! Wish more would do that :D

Oh BTW I think your posting just fine ;)


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