YTCA Standard? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Sunkissed · 08-15-2005, 12:59 PM

I'm considering adopting a new Yorkie puppy and want to make the right choice. I had originally assumed the YTCA and AKC (after years of experience) would have developed the correct standard to guide us on what is and is not a quality Yorkie.

After reading another thread on this forum, I now know that is incorrect. Can someone please guide me on the correct Yorkie pet standard?

I don't want to make a decision based on the YTCA standards since I have read on this forum that their standards are wrong.

Also, can someone tell me the qualities of a true non-YTCA standard Yorkie?

vainchick5 · 08-15-2005, 01:08 PM

Please don't believe everything you read. YTCA have excellent standards and have beautiful dogs as a result, and not from puppy mills. I think if you're looking, YTCA.org is the best place to look. I don't know why someone would say their dogs are not good because they obviously haven't seen them in person.

chewysmom · 08-15-2005, 01:17 PM

I am not an expert on the yorkie standard, but i think that the YTCA would be the best place to go in order to get information on that standard.

As for other threads that you might read here, even though someone may speak out on something they like, it doesn't mean that these specific breeding practices create a good dog. The YTCA has its standing in the yorkie community for a reason and i would go by their standards.

I hope you find the perfect doggie for you and one that will make you happy

Good luck!!!

hockeymom · 08-15-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunkissed

I'm considering adopting a new Yorkie puppy and want to make the right choice. I had originally assumed the YTCA and AKC (after years of experience) would have developed the correct standard to guide us on what is and is not a quality Yorkie.

After reading another thread on this forum, I now know that is incorrect. Can someone please guide me on the correct Yorkie pet standard?

I don't want to make a decision based on the YTCA standards since I have read on this forum that their standards are wrong.

Also, can someone tell me the qualities of a true non-YTCA standard Yorkie?

Contrary to some, the YTCA is a very good organization. So, please do not disregard the YTCA just because of something that was stated by someone on this forum. If you will check around on this forum, you will be able to decipher through some miss information that unfortunately gets posted.

YorkieRose · 08-15-2005, 01:32 PM

There is only ONE standard. The AKC works together with the breed club to set a standard and then they adopt it.

There is no pet standard and show standard..there is only one. Go to the AKC web site or YTCA web site and read it..that is what a a Yorkie should look like.

If it was not for the YTCA, the Yorkie breed would suffer greatly. You can never judge a club by a couple members...as a whole it is wonderful and totally dedicated to the betterment of the breed.

I do not know how this misunderstanding got started.

chloeandj · 08-15-2005, 01:43 PM

I don't think she's being serious....

Ponyup · 08-15-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chloeandj

I don't think she's being serious....

That's kinda what i thought when i read it. that it was a bit sarcastic and was trying to stir people up again. But I have been wrong before.

wnalegria · 08-15-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunkissed

I'm considering adopting a new Yorkie puppy and want to make the right choice. I had originally assumed the YTCA and AKC (after years of experience) would have developed the correct standard to guide us on what is and is not a quality Yorkie.

After reading another thread on this forum, I now know that is incorrect. Can someone please guide me on the correct Yorkie pet standard?

I don't want to make a decision based on the YTCA standards since I have read on this forum that their standards are wrong.

Also, can someone tell me the qualities of a true non-YTCA standard Yorkie?

There is only one standard for the breed. You have been given wrong information by the misinformed if you think that that the YTCA Standards are incorrect. My suggestion is that you might want to pm the person who posted on the other thread and ask them to provide you with the information that you want. Sounds to me like someone is wanting to start another free for all.

Carters Mom · 08-15-2005, 07:34 PM

I can see how someone could come to the board who doesn't have time to read every single thread -- happen across a thread with varied opinions -- and become confused and ask such a series of questions.

I believe that the original poster has asked for advice and therefore is truly looking for responses.

JMO - trying to see the good in everyone.

chewysmom · 08-15-2005, 07:42 PM

One of the things that I love about YT is the generosity of it's members. I think it can only be a positive thing if we as an informed and caring group, guide this new member to make the right decision about buying a yorkie. Steering a new member towards the YTCA can result in the purchase of a healthy dog in the classic yorkie standard. It can also prevent this member from getting sucked into marketing scams like teacup, babydoll, under 3lbs, etc.... or from purchasing from a puppymill.

Le's get back on track with our positive YT attitude!!!

Joy · 08-15-2005, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chewysmom

One of the things that I love about YT is the generosity of it's members. I think it can only be a positive thing if we as an informed and caring group, guide this new member to make the right decision about buying a yorkie. Steering a new member towards the YTCA can result in the purchase of a healthy dog in the classic yorkie standard. It can also prevent this member from getting sucked into marketing scams like teacup, babydoll, under 3lbs, etc.... or from purchasing from a puppymill.

Le's get back on track with our positive YT attitude!!!

Very well said!

Missy's Mommy · 08-15-2005, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chewysmom

One of the things that I love about YT is the generosity of it's members. I think it can only be a positive thing if we as an informed and caring group, guide this new member to make the right decision about buying a yorkie. Steering a new member towards the YTCA can result in the purchase of a healthy dog in the classic yorkie standard. It can also prevent this member from getting sucked into marketing scams like teacup, babydoll, under 3lbs, etc.... or from purchasing from a puppymill.

Le's get back on track with our positive YT attitude!!!

Thanks for posting this Gerry, very well said

SoCalyorkiLvr · 08-15-2005, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunkissed

I'm considering adopting a new Yorkie puppy and want to make the right choice. I had originally assumed the YTCA and AKC (after years of experience) would have developed the correct standard to guide us on what is and is not a quality Yorkie.

After reading another thread on this forum, I now know that is incorrect. Can someone please guide me on the correct Yorkie pet standard?

I don't want to make a decision based on the YTCA standards since I have read on this forum that their standards are wrong.

Also, can someone tell me the qualities of a true non-YTCA standard Yorkie?

I think the response to this thread has been questioning because of another thread that got closed today where the YTCA standard was debated at length and it looks as though you may be attempting to poke fun at us for it, but I am always one to assume the best unless given a reason not to do so, so, in the spirit of good YT fellowship, and helping another member, especially a new member, I will provide a serious answer.

In my humble opinion, there is no "correct" standard per se but there is a show standard as set forth by the YTCA and most new yorkie companion or pet owners try to get a yorkie as close to that standard as possible. This is also the standard that the majority of breeders attempt to achieve, although some breeders have chosen to think outside the box and the Biewer Yorkie was developed as were the parti-colors. As you become a fancier of the breed you develop your own personal set of yorkie traits that you like as I have done.

Part of the beauty of the breed for me is how different each and every one is from the other. They all look different. Some are 2 lbs and some are 20 lbs and all weights in between. Some are silver and light tan and some are black and rich tan. Some are blonde and "blue" and some are chocolate while others are red and gold. Some have undocked tails while most are docked. Some have silky coats and some are cottony.

My preference is a 3-4 lb thickly coated, silky, well proportioned, short legged, stocky, dog with a short, baby doll faced snout, large eyes and small closely set ears. This is what a lot of companion owners and some pet breeders in California especially have come to value. There are breeders here and elsewhere who have deveoped their lines over many years to achieve. This "look" would not "win" in the show ring because it is NOT the STANDARD.

jesscruz · 08-15-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chewysmom

I am not an expert on the yorkie standard, but i think that the YTCA would be the best place to go in order to get information on that standard.

As for other threads that you might read here, even though someone may speak out on something they like, it doesn't mean that these specific breeding practices create a good dog. The YTCA has its standing in the yorkie community for a reason and i would go by their standards.

I hope you find the perfect doggie for you and one that will make you happy

Good luck!!!

DITTO!!!!

Missy's Mommy · 08-15-2005, 10:24 PM

There is a breed standard.

I copied this below breed standard from www.akc.org

Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard
Toy Group

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance.

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.

Colors
Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply:

Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs.

Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.

Color on Body
The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.

Headfall
A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.

08-15-2005, 12:59 PM	#1
Sunkissed BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 22	YTCA Standard? I'm considering adopting a new Yorkie puppy and want to make the right choice. I had originally assumed the YTCA and AKC (after years of experience) would have developed the correct standard to guide us on what is and is not a quality Yorkie. After reading another thread on this forum, I now know that is incorrect. Can someone please guide me on the correct Yorkie pet standard? I don't want to make a decision based on the YTCA standards since I have read on this forum that their standards are wrong. Also, can someone tell me the qualities of a true non-YTCA standard Yorkie?

08-15-2005, 01:08 PM	#2
vainchick5 YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: CA Posts: 6,588	Please don't believe everything you read. YTCA have excellent standards and have beautiful dogs as a result, and not from puppy mills. I think if you're looking, YTCA.org is the best place to look. I don't know why someone would say their dogs are not good because they obviously haven't seen them in person. __________________ Mommy to Coco and Rocco

08-15-2005, 01:32 PM	#5
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	????? There is only ONE standard. The AKC works together with the breed club to set a standard and then they adopt it. There is no pet standard and show standard..there is only one. Go to the AKC web site or YTCA web site and read it..that is what a a Yorkie should look like. If it was not for the YTCA, the Yorkie breed would suffer greatly. You can never judge a club by a couple members...as a whole it is wonderful and totally dedicated to the betterment of the breed. I do not know how this misunderstanding got started.

08-15-2005, 07:34 PM	#9
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	I can see how someone could come to the board who doesn't have time to read every single thread -- happen across a thread with varied opinions -- and become confused and ask such a series of questions. I believe that the original poster has asked for advice and therefore is truly looking for responses. JMO - trying to see the good in everyone. __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!

08-15-2005, 10:24 PM	#15
Missy's Mommy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 1,042	There is a breed standard. I copied this below breed standard from www.akc.org Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard Toy Group General Appearance That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance. Head Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart. Body Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump. Legs and Feet Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed. Tail Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back. Coat Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance. Colors Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan. Color on Body The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail. Headfall A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck. Chest and Legs A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs. Weight Must not exceed seven pounds. __________________ Jennette Missy & Max

08-15-2005, 01:17 PM	#3
chewysmom My Precious Pup Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,092	I am not an expert on the yorkie standard, but i think that the YTCA would be the best place to go in order to get information on that standard. As for other threads that you might read here, even though someone may speak out on something they like, it doesn't mean that these specific breeding practices create a good dog. The YTCA has its standing in the yorkie community for a reason and i would go by their standards. I hope you find the perfect doggie for you and one that will make you happy Good luck!!!

08-15-2005, 01:43 PM	#6
chloeandj Tinkerbell, My Little Flutterpup Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful California! Posts: 6,112	I don't think she's being serious....

08-15-2005, 07:42 PM	#10
chewysmom My Precious Pup Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,092	One of the things that I love about YT is the generosity of it's members. I think it can only be a positive thing if we as an informed and caring group, guide this new member to make the right decision about buying a yorkie. Steering a new member towards the YTCA can result in the purchase of a healthy dog in the classic yorkie standard. It can also prevent this member from getting sucked into marketing scams like teacup, babydoll, under 3lbs, etc.... or from purchasing from a puppymill. Le's get back on track with our positive YT attitude!!!