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KathyRad62 · 08-31-2008, 07:57 AM

[quote=PrestigeousYT;2212409]It is not only Cruel its Insane to think its OK to do this to a dog!

I had a 2 lb Chihuahua named Minnie Mouse and people always asked us if we were going to breed her, my answer was why would i want to KILL HER?
Then they understood that yes that is a very likely outcome!
I just don't understand why someone would breed these little sized girls.
There is always a risk when a dog is bred that something may not go right, but then to breed girls that are too small increasing the risks.

My first Yorkie Gidget was only 2 lbs and she was the result of an accidental breeding. Her Mama almost died giving birth, so when the lady sold Gidget to me she said she would send me the registration and paperwork after I showed her proof that Gidget had been spayed. I don't know if it was because she was so tiny, but Gidget had a soft spot on her head that was large and it never closed. I spent almost 15 years worrying about that!

When my Abby (my current Yorkie) hit 4 lbs. I jumped for joy!

durtymydawg · 08-31-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieisme

I don't know if Puppymill......by her pictures they seem well taking care of. But I know pictures do not mean everything. I hate to label someone for breeding smaller dogs, when I know nothing about her, them or their reasons behind what they do. The Puppies that are for sale are beautiful.

smart move...good comments!

Ladymom · 08-31-2008, 08:11 AM

She's not on the USDA "puppy mill" list so she's not a puppy mill.

Is she a responsible breeder? There are lots of red flags on her website as others have pointed out.

This is a great way to tell a backyard breeder from a responsible breeder:

Lawrence County Humane Society Abuse and Adoption Center

durtymydawg · 08-31-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

She's not on the USDA "puppy mill" list so she's not a puppy mill.

Is she a responsible breeder? There are lots of red flags on her website as others have pointed out.

This is a great way to tell a backyard breeder from a responsible breeder:

Lawrence County Humane Society Abuse and Adoption Center

do you have that link to USDA-puppy mill?

Ladymom · 08-31-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by durtymydawg

do you have that link to USDA-puppy mill?

Here you go. You have to look up the breeders by state:

http://prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

Nancy1999 · 08-31-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblPopElectrc

That's so sad. All the adults look sickly or something.

Yeah, people tend to look at just the puppies, and really should take a look at the adults. She is breeding for size and size alone. If you want a smaller Yorkie please find one from a breeder that breeds for other qualities besides size, you will be much happier with the results.

sammiz · 08-31-2008, 10:57 AM

There are 25 adult dogs. 21 Yorkies and 4 poodles. The male poodles are not listed or shown so the number is really higher. There are 9 Yorkie pups, 13 Poodle pups plus 2 older pups (24).

One short of 50...but if you included the adult male Poodles, the number would be higher.

That's a lot.

DejaVu · 08-31-2008, 12:11 PM

just because a person has dogs of puppies looking cute and well cared for doesnt mean they arent a puppymill. Look at the number of dogs, you know they arent getting individual attention and lovin

Nancy1999 · 08-31-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DejaVu

just because a person has dogs of puppies looking cute and well cared for doesnt mean they arent a puppymill. Look at the number of dogs, you know they arent getting individual attention and lovin

This is so true, you should always see the breeder's dogs in person, but in this case, I wouldn't even be tempted to take a closer look.

sammiz · 08-31-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DejaVu

just because a person has dogs of puppies looking cute and well cared for doesnt mean they arent a puppymill. Look at the number of dogs, you know they arent getting individual attention and lovin

This is the whole point. Breeding at this magnitude...imagine twenty five cages. Maybe less.

Perhaps some do live in the home, but I am sure, not all. It just seems to me that this is not the way to breed.

Personally, I would not buy one of these pups for any amount. Sorry as I am for them, her breeding practices are much less than desirable....to ME. I am deeply sorry for those little mamas. My Sassy is four and a half pounds and the vet said she is too small to breed. Not that I ever asked. I never wanted to breed her. This is just what I was told when I was purchasing her. I couldn't imagine doing so and had her spayed immediately. She was a year old when I got her.

Some of those babies are so tiny to be bred.

Nancy1999 · 08-31-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sammiz

This is the whole point. Breeding at this magnitude...imagine twenty five cages. Maybe less.

Perhaps some do live in the home, but I am sure, not all. It just seems to me that this is not the way to breed.

Personally, I would not buy one of these pups for any amount. Sorry as I am for them, her breeding practices are much less than desirable....to ME. I am deeply sorry for those little mamas. My Sassy is four and a half pounds and the vet said she is too small to breed. Not that I ever asked. I never wanted to breed her. This is just what I was told when I was purchasing her. I couldn't imagine doing so and had her spayed immediately. She was a year old when I got her.

Some of those babies are so tiny to be bred.

When I first look at the picture of adults, I thought that those pictures were their breeding adults, and since there were not that many pictures I thought it was not a huge scale operation, after looking at it again, I realized the pictures are of those breeding adults who are for sale, this is entirely different, and does lead me to believe it's a puppy mill operation. I had wondered why they had so many more male dogs than females, I guess I'm kind of slow today.

yorkieisme · 08-31-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

Here you go. You have to look up the breeders by state:

http://prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf

Ok I looked at this. I am confused.......is this the list of all puppy mills. Or are you calling them a puppymill because they are inspected by USDA. I am not up on AKC inspected compared to USDA. So this is my confusion. Can someone explain what I am actually looking at, here. I know I sound dumb...but can't help it today.

cataholic · 08-31-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

She's not on the USDA "puppy mill" list so she's not a puppy mill.

Is she a responsible breeder? There are lots of red flags on her website as others have pointed out.

This is a great way to tell a backyard breeder from a responsible breeder:

Lawrence County Humane Society Abuse and Adoption Center

How does someone get put on this list? Do the authorities add them or AKC?

Ladymom · 08-31-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Ok I looked at this. I am confused.......is this the list of all puppy mills. Or are you calling them a puppymill because they are inspected by USDA. I am not up on AKC inspected compared to USDA. So this is my confusion. Can someone explain what I am actually looking at, here. I know I sound dumb...but can't help it today.

Large volume commercial kennels who supply the retail pet industry (pet shops) have to be licensed by the USDA.

Here is a great explanation of the USDA:

Puppymills - commercial dog kennels and the USDA

The AKC is just a registry. They inspect breeders who have more than seven litters a year.

Here is information on their inspections:

American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

Punkin&Piper · 08-31-2008, 08:44 PM

poor babies

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08-31-2008, 07:57 AM	#16
KathyRad62 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 78	[quote=PrestigeousYT;2212409]It is not only Cruel its Insane to think its OK to do this to a dog! I had a 2 lb Chihuahua named Minnie Mouse and people always asked us if we were going to breed her, my answer was why would i want to KILL HER? Then they understood that yes that is a very likely outcome! I just don't understand why someone would breed these little sized girls. There is always a risk when a dog is bred that something may not go right, but then to breed girls that are too small increasing the risks. My first Yorkie Gidget was only 2 lbs and she was the result of an accidental breeding. Her Mama almost died giving birth, so when the lady sold Gidget to me she said she would send me the registration and paperwork after I showed her proof that Gidget had been spayed. I don't know if it was because she was so tiny, but Gidget had a soft spot on her head that was large and it never closed. I spent almost 15 years worrying about that! When my Abby (my current Yorkie) hit 4 lbs. I jumped for joy!

08-31-2008, 10:57 AM	#22
sammiz No Longer a Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PORTERVILLE, CA Posts: 1,574	There are 25 adult dogs. 21 Yorkies and 4 poodles. The male poodles are not listed or shown so the number is really higher. There are 9 Yorkie pups, 13 Poodle pups plus 2 older pups (24). One short of 50...but if you included the adult male Poodles, the number would be higher. That's a lot.