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BamaFan121s 08-23-2008 02:51 PM
Ya know, I would swear that Trixie does this same thing to get revenge on me sometimes. If I'm outside talking to someone with a dog and she can see it, yep, pooped in the house when I walked back in. If I lock her out of the bathroom while I shower, yep, pooped when I walk back out.

I don't think that whether or not dogs have the same emotions as humans is anything that can ever be more than theory. (I mean think about it, how could it ever be proven?) I have known dogs to grieve themselves to death over things and dogs who 'pout' at their owners. So, IMO, they do definately have a range of emotions that they exhibit comparable to those of humans. Spite may as well be one of them. :p

mscat 08-23-2008 02:59 PM
My Suzi has pooped just after cleaning up the poo mess, she then does it /However, I do not believe it is out of revenge, or spite. I figured she likes a clean place to poo..
Yes they are smart, however, I believe it is not from revenge or spite. they poo when their bodies are ready to.. Not anything elese.

twalla 08-23-2008 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2198986)
I don't think that whether or not dogs have the same emotions as humans is anything that can ever be more than theory. (I mean think about it, how could it ever be proven?) I have known dogs to grieve themselves to death over things and dogs who 'pout' at their owners. So, IMO, they do definately have a range of emotions that they exhibit comparable to those of humans. Spite may as well be one of them. :p

:thumbup: great post

tamandkota 08-23-2008 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198375)
First of all dogs do not make themselves poop out of revenge. that would be like acusing a baby of pooping out of revenge right after you had just changed it's diaper. The dog had to poop, he did not know that you were going to go to the store, or he might have made himself poop before you left.

Second he did not lie on it to hide it, dogs don't think like that. They live in the moment and what they did or you did two seconds ago no longer matters to them.

He simply is not getting the message of what you want. Not your faault, not his fault, it's a language barrier. if what you have tried in the past isn't working, get creative and think of a new way to get him to understand you.

Working closely with your dog and teaching him other things might help him to understand you better.

You also might want to try blotting up his pee with a pee pad so it has that smell on it.

Good luck.


Yorkies can be difficult to train it just takes patience and creativity on your part.

Putting him in a little larger crate, and dividing the crate into separate areas might help. Potty in one area and sleep and play ing the other.
I am sorry, but I do not agree. Dakota does this, except she tinkles a little bit on the rug. She does this sometimes if she gets mad at being left, like if daddy tells her she can go but she really can't. :(

Sophie'smom 08-23-2008 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2198986)
Ya know, I would swear that Trixie does this same thing to get revenge on me sometimes. If I'm outside talking to someone with a dog and she can see it, yep, pooped in the house when I walked back in. If I lock her out of the bathroom while I shower, yep, pooped when I walk back out.

I don't think that whether or not dogs have the same emotions as humans is anything that can ever be more than theory. (I mean think about it, how could it ever be proven?) I have known dogs to grieve themselves to death over things and dogs who 'pout' at their owners. So, IMO, they do definately have a range of emotions that they exhibit comparable to those of humans. Spite may as well be one of them. :p

I usually don't post on such topics as this because people disagree so much but I had a poodle who would pee in the floor the second we left even if she had went before we where leaving. I don't even know how she could pee so soon again. We even tested her to see how long it took. She would also grieve severly if we left her with anyone. She would refuse to eat and cry as loud as a child.

I also had a pug who would tear up the garbage. If he was no where to be seen when we came home we knew he had done something wrong. My Dad said he doesn't understand what he has done. Then after coming home with me one day to see the mess and Snoopy (the pug) hiding he changed his mind. lol He would be all excited to see my Dad but when he would look at me he would look all sad. It is kinda funny but the messes were not

I think we are not giving them as much credit as they deserve. All dogs are different and I believe they may very well do stuff for spite. Just my opinion.

Sophie'smom 08-23-2008 03:35 PM
I would also like to add that Sophie used too poo in her crate when would leave her. I do not believe she was doing this for spite though. She just gets nervous when we leave her and I think that is what was causing her to get that sudden urge. We now take her out before we leave and make sure she poos. That has solved our problem.

YorkieShadow 08-23-2008 05:04 PM
These dogs are not human, they may poo/pee and tear up garbage or rugs or any thing else. but I dont think its revenge lol its more about change of being left behind, stress, nervousness, seperation ,bordem
My Mickey use to eat the wall every time we left as a pup, he just didnt like to be left alone it wasnt revenge to get back at me.

twalla 08-23-2008 06:06 PM
IMO --- While it may not be "revenge"; it is a form of emotion whether you choose to agree or not, is your choice.

As humans, we do things all the time and call them what they are not. If someone wants to call it revenge... so be it. :D

Nancy1999 08-23-2008 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sophie'smom (Post 2199043)
I usually don't post on such topics as this because people disagree so much but I had a poodle who would pee in the floor the second we left even if she had went before we where leaving. I don't even know how she could pee so soon again. We even tested her to see how long it took. She would also grieve severly if we left her with anyone. She would refuse to eat and cry as loud as a child.

I also had a pug who would tear up the garbage. If he was no where to be seen when we came home we knew he had done something wrong. My Dad said he doesn't understand what he has done. Then after coming home with me one day to see the mess and Snoopy (the pug) hiding he changed his mind. lol He would be all excited to see my Dad but when he would look at me he would look all sad. It is kinda funny but the messes were not

I think we are not giving them as much credit as they deserve. All dogs are different and I believe they may very well do stuff for spite. Just my opinion.
I don't think dogs do anything for spite, but I know cats do. :D

Mayas Mommy 08-23-2008 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198643)
Dogs do not exhibit human emotions. Humans put their emotions to what dogs do. However it is instinctive for a dog to urinate or defecate on their subordinates. your dog might obey you out of fear and not out of respect. But it does not do things for revenge. That would take calculasted planning and they are not capable of that type of thinking.
Dogs do not exhibit human emotions ... I DON'T AGREE ON THIS ON EITHER .....

AND FOR THE RECORD MY DOG DOES NOT FEAR ME ... OK ... NOW YOUR STARTING TO GET ME UPSET OVER THIS ..... HOW DARE YOU SAY SHE IS AFFRAID OF ME ..... YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME ... AND EVERY DOG IS DIFFRENT BY THE WAY ..... AND HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT A DOG IS THINKING OR FEELING .... HUH ????

YOU MAY HAVE A LOT MORE POST THEN ME AND YOU MAY HAVE OWNED YORKIES LONGER THEN I DO .... BUT THE NEXT TIME SHE HAS ONE OF HER TANTRUMS AGAIN I WILL TAPE IT FOR YOU SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT I MEAN .... CLEARLY I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE ON HERE THAT HAS A DOG THAT DOES THAT ...... OR I AM JUST A REALLY BAD DOGOWNER AND MY DOG POOPS EVERYTIME SHE SEES ME OUT OF FEAR .....

AND THAT WILL BE ENOUGH FROM ME ON THAT SUBJECT ....

YorkieMother 08-24-2008 05:49 AM
We do have emotions and many are like ours we can not more place what we think on them then we can place emotions on another human being.
To consider they do not have emotions is to make it easy for us to treat them as less then they should be.

That said it not revenge it fear. You probably ran out the door faster then usually or you were all concerned and poof you were gone. He got concerned and pooping is a stress relief for some dogs so he pooped.

Pooping in a house and anxiety after a dog is trained go hand in hand.

JL

chachi 08-24-2008 05:53 AM
My dogs do seem to show emotions also.

YorkieMother 08-24-2008 06:03 AM
I would suggest reading Patricia McConnell ..For the love of dogs or the other end of the Leash...

Jean Donaldson Culture clash is good as well.

I would also suggest Animals in Translation by Temple Grandin who is an autistic PHD packing Lady that explains the way the brain works and how an animals is similar to humans and different and the emotions.

JL

chachi 08-24-2008 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2198643)
Dogs do not exhibit human emotions. Humans put their emotions to what dogs do. However it is instinctive for a dog to urinate or defecate on their subordinates. your dog might obey you out of fear and not out of respect. But it does not do things for revenge. That would take calculasted planning and they are not capable of that type of thinking.
No one on this earth can get into the mind of a dog and know for sure if they exibit emotions so your opinions are just speculation.

GeorgiaGrits 08-24-2008 08:11 AM
My little Elvis would always poop in his crate when we left and come to find out, he has separation anxiety. He gets so stressed being left alone and wants to find us so badly that his little bowels "move".

I hope someone on here gave you some good advice (I did not read all the remarks)...I was advised to check into the "Dog Whisperer" DVD and plan to do that...just an idea for you. Good luck!


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