actually..i havent been to the web site in weeks.. i started one with godaddy
so its very amatuer.. im sure you are the only visitor i have had
notice i did not call them morkiepoobiewers:eek:
i thought sadie was pregnant.. but thanks for reminding me to change that to spring of 2009 for the morkipoos:cool:
i dont know too many morkipoos..
but hoping for them someday...:p
youre pretty good with your detective work...:)
thanks for letting me confuse you a little:)

Alright, now make up your mind...lol.

It's not that hard to do most days.:(

Jeannie, I just wanted to clarify that the paragraph I highlighted, was to say that you hit the nail on the head as to what some will do to get AKC recognition. I feel there is a lot of work to be done with the Biewers still, and agree that it's confusing as all get out when people are trying to find out about the breed. When standards and websites get changed like underwear, it definitely gets confusing.

I commend you for your knowledge and willingness to share. Your posts always show that you have researched and studied, and I always enjoy reading your contributions!

Hey hey now...specify...not ALL of the Biewer people. ;)

trying to fix my website
 

i have to plead temporary insanity after gus gus incident:animal-pa
the godaddy website is not loading right
now that is confusing..
websight tonight..


too slow... gotta fix the gus info.. poor gus gus:aimeeyork

Not true actually, splitters are bred for specific reasons. A splitter is created by breeding a Biewer and a Yorkie and a splitter is bred to expand on the blood lines, bring in better traits like say...smaller ears, rich colors and a silkier coat. A splitter is a Biewer x Yorkie...anyone with anything other than that who calls it a splitter is just trying to cash in on the Biewer name.

splitter is a new term for me do you mean a carrier?

A maltese yorkie poodle mixe with a biewer?

I'd love to see one.

Thank you. I must say there are a few people here that have forced me to keep on my toes, and I thank them for that.

Sorry for getting on the defensive. After that last controversial thread I'm a little shell shocked. LOL :p

but I have also noticed that others have gained from the threads and are now more knowledgeable, so evidently I'm not the only one who is doing their homework.

We have a long way to go with the partis, just don't want to have to trip over the mess left behind by the Biewer people. and that is not an attack on anyone, just referring to all the confusion caused by the different theories being thrown around.

Pick your story and stick to it. We all no that at this point that there is no proof of anything regarding the history of the parti colored yorkies. But if you are trying to prove a point, you can't keep changing sides.

Splitter is the term used when it's a breeding between a biewer and a yorkie.
while carrier is the word used for puppies from a parti and standard color breeding.

Ok now I am even more confused.

Since a biewer has been established as a breed of their own, isn't breeding a "splitter" producing a mixed breed?

I now reside in the State of Confusion with Bamafan.

please explain.

sorry that should read know

That depends on which club you ask...as with many things.

I know BBCI position has always been biewer to biewer breedings and this position has been adopted by the BTCA too.

Several things you've quoted are specifically from the BTCA.

What one club "believes" is not necessarily across the board of ALL biewer clubs...

Yay! Company!:coolsmile

Again, this goes back to "who you ask" regarding the dogs having been established as a breed of their own. (AKC has yet to declare that.) They have definately been divided (for lack of better word) from the Yorkies.
Some people only breed Biewer to Biewer. Some still integrate Yorkies (on rare occasions) back into the breed to add back into the color. When a Biewer is bred to a standard colored Yorkie, the litter is referred to as a 'splitter litter'--some may be standard colored, some may have the tri-Biewer coloring. A standard colored offspring is referred to as a 'splitter'--if bred to a standard Yorkie, will produce standard colored offspring, when bred to a Biewer, will create Biewer offspring. (But of course, the theory that the dogs are not the result of Yorkies afterall further complicates that, I suppose.)

I *think* I got that right.

Laughing...

Breeding a splitter to a biewer does NOT always result in biewer colored puppies. Now we're back to the pie bald gene discussion...this thread has come full circle. :rolleyes: The biewer only has the recessive gene to offer...a splitter has both the recessive and the dominant gene to offer. So you can get biewer colored AND standard coloring within the same litter.

Yeah, I think I just went in circles with that one and only further confused myself. I know what a meant in my head, but I don't think it came out at all right...in more ways that one. I'll just proudly claim my spot sitting next to JeanieK.

A reason for the use of a splitter can also be to futher open up the lines. The Biewers are very line bred. Health is a big concern for some. There are many reports out there with concerns of closed stud books and lines falling in on themselves when line breeding occurs (not just in the Biewer breed).

Some breeders had splitters in the beginning and now have bred them to use their offspring and now say the are breeding Biewer to Biewer. Others import the correct color (Biewer) from a splitter litter and disregard the fact that it is from a yorkie parent. Others say the are ready to go and breed Biewer to Biewer with 3-4 gerenations free of the yorkie. This is a very new breed as far as generations go so nobody really knows what will happen if you keep the yorkie in or stop breeding it in. In Germany many still use the Yorkie, the Biewer colored puppies are registered as Biewers and the Black/Blue and tan are registered as Yorkies. Although breeding Biewer to Biewer sounds great there is still concern about the health by some what that will do long term when you look at the amount of line breeding that is occuring.

Yes there are those out there getting splitters because they are the "cheaper" way to go. That is unfortunate. The yorkie/splitter that is added in should be added in for a reason. So it can add something to the breed both in health and conformation. I believe in adding splitters in but any puppies from a splitter I breed will stay in my breeding program or be placed as a pet as I watch how they impact the Biewer lines.

You explained that so well...:)

(I have to wonder where the OP who started the thread went. Seems like there was a big interest in partis/biewers, but then he/she disapoofed!)

That happens fairly frequently with these threads.... ;)

:confused::confuse8: I think we'd better make room for more in our State.

In the parti world, we call them carriers.

Yup that is the way the carrier works.

OH No....a DeSignEr PUpPie....lol...

Makes one wonder what their motives are. But it is still good to discuss this issues, because it is very informative.

That is right not all Biewer Clubs feel that Biewer to Biewer is the way to do things. Not one Biewer club in Germany has this conception. They also have the door open to breeding back to a Yorkshire.

There are 50 plus registries in Germany registering the Yorkie/Biewer lines, unless someone can tell me different ** every one of them still have an open stud book.

We have kept our doors open as well. We will follow FSS and their belief for this breed that it is a variance of the Yorkshire, which is based on it's history, to this date. A gene isn't going to get this dog into FSS. A gene doesn't make a different breed. So don't be fooled! Several breeds have different color genes and they are still that breed, they aren't called something else, just a variance within the breed, period. I don't get to make the rules for dogs, so don't attack me..

We are now called greeders and tainting lines. I can not get passed the fact that in 10 generations the founding stock still is showing up in astronomical numbers. Which concludes there isn't enough lines to keep this breed from becoming bottlenecked to extinction.

We understand the effects of line breeding on such a small gene pool. For the sake of the dog we will keep an open mind and do what is in that best interest. We are not proponents of rushing into just breeding back to the Yorkshire with out rules and regulations, nor in large mass of breeding. This has to be documented and kept within our own breeding programs and not released to the general public for breeding. It stays with us or trusted members of the best produced. The rest of the litter is then spay/neutered and placed as pets. This goes for 3 to 5 generations within our own breeding programs.

Some breeders will allow Germany to do the introducing of the Yorkshire, and import them once they are one to two generation biewer to biewer, so they are just alluding the concept of biewer to biewer. I personally feel that if a Yorkshire is added into the mix.. then I want to know what line it has come from. I want to be able to see those parents, grandparent..ect. We have already faced several undesirable traits within the breed. One testies, bad bites, rounded ears, bad coats. Oh and don't kid yourself... they aren't of all German decent and lines. Breeders import and export all day long. I have been able to trace lineage back to America.

It wasn't until the biewer came to America the conceptions changed for the race to get to FSS with no regard for the well being of the dog.

To get back to the original post... You can check with the BYA and their registry and see if they will. Otherwise I think there is only one registry in Germany that does this registering.

Very informative. Since the partis have not yet been established into a club, we are free to use the "carriers". But that is something that we need to keep in mind when setting rules and regulations.

Those that are pushing to have the Biewers developed into a breed outside of the yorkies need to take that into consideration.

Please define FSS.

That was a well written post and IMO as it should be. If they are yorkshires first and Biewers second then the breeding back to yorkshires should be allowed. It makes sense because as you said if not it will lead to a lot of inbreeding.

Those that are trying to break away from the yorkshires better think of the long term repurcusions. It might not turn out like they want it to. of course I suppose they could always buy from the rest of you who are still splitting.

FSS - Foundation Stock Service, that is where new breeds start with AKC.
Foundation Stock Service® Program

:thumbup:I agree!! Great post!

Lynn, This post has already been addressed and dismissed as being inaccurate and a matter of opinion and not fact.

I find it interesting that the YTCA denies that these are purebred yorkies, yet they specifically address the issue of the parti color as being an off color.

They can't have it both ways.

They also claim that the off colors cause health issues. Which we all know that this is no more true with off colors than it is with traditional colors.

Therefore, since they insist on printing untruths on their site. IMO it discredits anything and everything they have to say. It might be true, but it also might not.

Could you please direct me to that info? :) (In this thread...I didn't see it.)