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06-16-2008, 12:35 PM | #1 |
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| Opinions Needed/Welcome Hello! Most here know that Jeanie was just very sick, and in hospital. She is home now and is acting normal. She is eating well, lots of energy again, and is drinking, going #1, #2 not so well just yet. But then the Vet did put her on a new diet and a supplement for her liver/antibiotics, so that could explain the lack of #2 (she did yesterday, just not last night or this AM like normal). Anyway, the vet saw her Friday when she was really ill.....throwing up, dehydrated, and her bowel movement was very gross. After giving her intervenous and some stomach meds to calm her stomach, she was fine. Saturday she was pretty much back to normal, Sunday even more so. Sunday we get a call that a fasting test showed that there is more wrong with the liver than just her being sick from ingesting something. Her X Ray showed her liver was enlarged, and her blood test showed that her enzymes are elevated before and after eating (apparently a bad sign). So they want her back to do an ultrasound, then a coagulation panel, then a biopsy - under a general anesthetic and all that. YIKES! I'm looking at my doggy back to normal, looking happy, and I'm told that she could have liver shunt or other horrible things...........and I have what looks to be a happy healthy dog?? I'm confused. The day before her sick day, she was normal, with energy eating and bathroom......the day after, back to normal. If she had an ongoing liver problem, wouldn't she show signs of being sick before this, and after? Why one day of acute symptoms, and then a diagnosis of a liver problem? My common sense tells me - and I am not a doctor so I could be wrong - that she got into something, it passed, and she is fine now? We are getting a second opinion from a friend that is a vet, but wondered if anyone here could give me some insight, rest my fears....help me with this. It's very frightening, and I'm scared that there is something really wrong. We are watching her closely and making sure that we take her in on the first sign of illness.......but really? $1000 to do a bunch of tests, and then do something? Call in a specialist they say......oh my we are getting up there in the major thousands now.......My baby is so worth it, but again, she seems fine??? input?? Darcey |
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06-16-2008, 12:55 PM | #2 |
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| Please - Anyone?? Can anyone help? |
06-16-2008, 12:57 PM | #3 |
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| Only a Vet. can help with the problem. Liver shunt is correctable and if that's what she has, then she will be fixed good as new. It's nice that your getting a second opinion. Did they mention Bile Acid Test? Maybe they ran that one too. |
06-16-2008, 01:06 PM | #4 |
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| They did do the bile acid test, and that's what she said made her want to do the other stuff (biopsy etc). My concern is, can the liver react like this if ingesting something toxic, and then be ok? It seems so acute........like it doesn't seem like it would have been an ongoing liver problem? And there is no genetic run of this in the breeders dogs......they have never had this problem. I don't know, seems to me like it was a reaction to something that day, rather than an ongoing problem. That's what I am struggling with (but we are keeping up the investigation.....) |
06-16-2008, 01:12 PM | #5 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| What are her BAT #'s Pre and Post? |
06-16-2008, 01:19 PM | #6 |
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| I have been there with Roxy. Her first BAT pre was about 43 and post was 100.9 I was sent to a specialist, they did a complete CBC, coagulation panel, urine analysis and an ultrasound. Every thing was normal. They did these tests to see if anything else would lean towards LS b/c a BAT post of a 100 is suppose to be shunt territory. The ultrasound showed a normal size and normal shape liver, no shunt was seen, however, you must know that a u/s is not 100% accurate. So she could have still had a shunt, basically a u/s is really pointless and a waste of $. Roxy shows no ordinary symptoms of LS. We changed her diet and I have added supplements to aid her liver. She has had about 5 more BATs in the past year. Her pre # has come down to normal, but her post # remains in the low 60s - She most likely has MVD - I am declining on opening her up for a biopsy. She is doing well with our routine now and don't want to do anything not really needed. If a biopsy showed MVD, we would still be doing the same routine anyway. |
06-16-2008, 01:20 PM | #7 |
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| I don't know - I gave the blood test results to the friend that is a vet that is giving us a second opinion......... But it was not good - or the vet that we took her to wouldn't be wanting to go further....I can't believe it. I'm in shock that my baby that has been so healthy until one day last week has a big problem? |
06-16-2008, 01:22 PM | #8 | |
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We are giving her the liver supplements, and a nice easy diet now that the vet prescribed. And the antibiotics, so no matter what, we are helping now hey? | |
06-16-2008, 01:23 PM | #9 | |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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The enlarged liver on the xray would kinda worry me, I don't know what that could mean | |
06-16-2008, 01:25 PM | #10 | |
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What Vet food? | |
06-16-2008, 01:32 PM | #11 |
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| I know the enlarged liver is very troublesome. But I still wonder if she had gotten into something, wouldn't this happen? Since she got sick so fast, and got well so quickly, don't you think that sounds strange??? She's on Canine Gastro Formula food and Denosyl 90 mg tablets. Also, she is taking amoxicillin........... |
06-16-2008, 01:42 PM | #12 | |
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I know that we all tend to think that if something were seriously wrong with our dogs that they would be sick instantly from day one. Roxy is 3.5 yrs old. She has NEVER been sick, other than luxating patella, which she has had 2 surgeries for, oh and her spay. All bloodwork done was normal, nothing to indicate anything was wrong with her. When she was 2.5 yrs. old I did a BAT on her b/c I had gotten some information about other pups being sick from the same breeder, actually, these pups were from the same parents as Roxy. Well, Thank God I did, b/c she DOES have liver issues, most likely MVD. Even my Vet said good job for taking the steps I did, b/c he would have NEVER suggested to a BAT on her, that's how normal she is. Keep us posted on your second opinion. I hope all works out Last edited by TLC; 06-16-2008 at 01:43 PM. | |
06-16-2008, 01:46 PM | #13 |
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| That makes me sad.....she probably has something wrong with her then....not just got into something bad....... |
06-16-2008, 01:52 PM | #14 | |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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Maybe do a google search | |
06-16-2008, 01:54 PM | #15 |
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| I did....and it's just overwhelming all the ifs and maybes....so I am just going to wait on the friend's diagnosis.....and we will have the bile test done again in two weeks for sure....and if no decrease, then we have to do the next right thing. my baby looks so happy, full of life......... |
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