Originally Posted by ckuz13 (Post 2051495)

This is so ironic because I almost went to see a breeders pup yesterday that she predicts will be 3lbs..she is 11 weeks and is only1lb and 6.0z..I figure she may end up only a little over 2lbs..I don't want to buy her because she may be too small. This scares me..Although I am tempted to go see her I think I might be asking for a world of heartache..She also may be healthy as a horse..but without enough research on the breeders history I am taking a huge risk...

Originally Posted by TLC (Post 2051511)

I have a feeling I have read about this very breeder here on YT. I think their are other YTers that purchased from her and others that were warned to stay away. I can't remember the name, but she was in Canada and she was really, reaaly young and she also shipped Yorkies in from Brazil hmmm.....


Here, I did a search: Was it Deana Junk at LITTLE YORKIE KISS | WHERE YORKIES MEAN LOVE


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...er-broker.html

Originally Posted by SET Yorkies (Post 2051927)

I am going to start off saying that I am not fussing at you personally and I really really understand the frustrating nature of your situation...... There is a certain palatable disappointment that comes with realizing what you were promised isn't what you received. Although, there were some red flags I'm sure you see in retrospect and do not need me or anyone else to point out....If I were you, I would really evaluate this on a personal level as matters of Dog Law are well, probably not in your favor.... I want you to bear in mind, some of my favorite dogs have been my "ugliest" biggest rowdiest.... Some of my most beautiful perfectly proportioned dogs are real A**es and would make poor family pets. You may wish to stop reading here as I am only taking this opportunity to remind potential buyers how important reputable breeders are...... How do you find one of those....LOTS and LOTS of VISITS WITH LOTS OF BREEDERS FROM LOTS OF PLACES ASKING LOTS OF QUESTIONS...... If you don't have a list of questions a quick post on this board asking for lists of questions will provide you with more than you needed, I Promise......

However, for those thinking about purchasing a puppy and unafraid to read on... here goes the rant....
Use the following formula to approximate size at maturity: 3 x the weight at 8 weeks or 2 x the weight at 12 weeks in conjunction with a growth chart on which you track weight from birth to 12 wks and 2 generations of genetics. A consiencious breeder will have that info readily available for you the first time you ask. That breeder will also have a comprehensive log of Veterinarian records for you to peruse as well as permission granted to contact the veterinarian of record. (FYI: don't ask till you get there, don't even mention it on the phone)
Even with all the data in the world, most can't do any better than an educated guess on a 15 week old but the data will show you that you have found a true breeder consumed by the quality of what he or she produces and the happiness of his or her buyers. That breeder has put in countless hours of real nose to the grindstone record keeping and hours of observation. It is always good to bear in mind that a 2 lb sire and 4 lb dam can easily produce a 10lb puppy at maturity. Dog genetics are no different than two right handed parents producing a lefty. As goes the world of dog genetics. I think what frustrates me the most are the two sides of that coin.... uneducated breeders who have never opened a book on genetics and don't intend to as well as buyers who pursue the concept of the ideal pet, but take no time to search out a top notch breeder. In fact size should never be the sole selling point.Descriptive words are never a guarantee.... You may end up with a 6 lb "tea cup" if you aren't careful. Also, breeder records are invaluable as to what size dogs any Dam / Sire combination may produce. Occasionally puppies will weigh less than 3 lbs at maturity. Our breeding program has produced several under 2's who have never had one health problem, others that die prior to 15 wks or just after. Be aware, you are just getting a description and nothing more, nothing special. All breeders are pulled into that fad description game at one time or another... I know i've been there.... Competing in the dog market is only getting harder. It is really difficult to swallow losing a sale to a "back yard breeder" who lists the word teacup in the ad and hasn't the first inkling of knowledge about the breed while you bust your rear everyday... I know, I sound a bit agitated, yes.... If buyers continue to reward poor breeders with poor practices, it simply won't matter anymore anyway.... Nothing that resembles a healthy Yorkie will be left. Reputable breeders do not gear breeding programs around producing puppies that are less than 3 lbs, but selling a puppy that will make a quality pets is acceptable no mater the size. In fact, a 2lb puppy produced out of a kennel routinely producing 5 lb or larger dogs is coming out of a healthy breeding program, IMO... Buyers must ask questions.... I'm going to stop here because I think I'm just making myself mad rather than making a point....

Originally Posted by britt (Post 2052412)

The woman runs a brokerage with her sister in Brazil. They have a huge site with photos and guarantee tht their pups are all amsll. She estimates that whatever the size at 12 weeks, double it for the final weight when full grown. I was taken by the photos and trusted what she said when I met her to see the puppy I had chosen to see. She advertises the organization as the " original home of the exclusive teddy bear Brazilian Yorkies. I have emailed her twice and received no answer. The puppy is adorable but not what I had planned for for a long time and I paid a lot of $ for him.

Originally Posted by Epsilon (Post 2053308)

You seriously want to return a 10mo old puppy? How have you not fallen totally and completely in love with him?

Originally Posted by britt (Post 2054359)

Thanks to all for your comments. For those who doubt my knowledge, I spent 35 years showing and utility training German Shepherd breed at which I was quite successful. Of course all the breeders I met during those years we were aware of bad ones and stayed away. I am now a senior and have been plagued with spine and leg pain and live on morphine. I had always wanted a very small housedog as a companion as I had 6 Persian cats and an older 12lb Yorkie. Thats why I wanted a tiny one for a change., which I could nurse on my lap when resting. I adore the puppy I received from this person but I have paid a very large $ for a small puppy specifically. Not being fully familiar with sizes of other bigger Yorkies and having just got out of bed with pneumonia, I saw the photo of my pup and fell in love with him. I just had to have him at any price. I feel betrayed by this woman whom I trusted was being straight with me. She even advertises a guarantee that hers small on her sites. I just feel that she shouldn't be able to charge so highly and guarantee size when it turns out to be untrue. No way would I return my puppy; I wanted a partial refund for the deception and the ability to get away with it. So, those who berated me as "wanting to hear what she told me" were so wrong. Look at her site if you know it, read the guarantee and see the pictures and see the quotes of expected weights. I have worked with dogs all my life, just not familiar with brokers. Always dealt straight with the breeder and observed the pups I bought in the past. Thanks again, the puppy is doing well.

Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2061695)

I'm not sure what the law is in Canada, but here in the US people can recover money if they are promised a "teacup" and the puppy grows to be larger than promised.

This is a cute case to read:

O'Rourke v. American Kennels