taking a huge gamble

[freshie]

I would like some advice. I am a huge advocate of rescue dogs and am in a position where I would like to take a yorkie that I'm sure no one will want. Long story short, Son accidentally impregnated mother, I know people sometimes don't buy the "accident" stories but I honestly know the people and they honestly didn't mean for it to happen, there never was any inbreeding in their dogs ever. The mother and the original sire were not EVER inbred, they were from 2 completely different lines. Unfortunately for the family they really believed the younger dog wouldn't be interested in the mother and didn't do a good job in keeping their distance when she went into heat. It's the first time it happened and they are afraid that they won't find loving homes for some of the pups because circumstances, they have some trusted family and friends who agreed to take in and give any care they can. They are getting the older dogs neutered and spayed after to make sure it never happens. Well after much research and reading tons of horror stories of huge genetic risks I still decided to take one of the pups when they are born and old enough to leave the mother. I am adopting not buying and am making a vet fund for potential issues and I am well aware of the the parents. I am willing to give it love and all the care it will need. I guess the reason I am posting is because I am desperate to hear something positive that I could potentially have a healthy dog, I will love it regardless. I have children and another dog (golden retriever who is amazing with small dogs and she is the love of my life) who are well behaved and everyone is willing to give this tiny guy everything we can. I just see so many horrible puppy mill stories and horrible pet store stories that I could never buy another dog again and just feel the need to give a little guy the love he needs regardless of his mental or health conditions. Again sorry for the vent I just would like some words of encouragement.

[Raja's Mom]

Welcome to YT! I am, by far, not an expert on breeding, I probably don't know the first thing about it. It's my understanding though that not every single inbred dog is born with major problems. Some breeders do it on purpose to bring out the desired traits (this may be unethical.. I don't know) and I think deformities and big problems happen from continued inbreeding. Here is some info:

"Copyright 1996, Sarah Hartwell

Adapted, with permission, from Cat Recourse Archive and edited by Dog Breed Info.

Inbreeding is the mating together of closely related dogs, for example mother/son, father/daughter and sibling/sibling matings. For breeders, it is a useful way of fixing traits in a breed - the pedigrees of some exhibition dogs show that many of their forebears are closely related.....However, inbreeding holds potential problems. The limited gene pool caused by continued inbreeding means that deleterious genes become widespread and the breed loses vigor."


So, since this is the first known occurrence of inbreeding I would believe that the odds are in your favor to have a normal puppy. The important thing is really having enough love in your heart to give no matter what, and you already have that!

[freshie]

Thank your words of encouragement. My family thinks I am crazy to take on a potentially sick dog with children and another dog that needs my attention but I am so used to my plate being full and it's something that is important to me to adopt a little fur baby and give it unconditional love. I mean a lot of other things I have been reading aren't so bleak and literally this is the only inbreeding so I am praying that all goes well. I am also praying the mother has a quick and easy delivery too. The vet is hopefully things won't be so doom and gloom either, I guess I am just preparing for the worst.

[Patti]

Welcome.I do not know anything about breeding but hopefully no problems will occur. You could take a rescue or buy one that has a ton of health problems too. I think it is very nice of you to take one in and keeping good thoughts that the puppy will have a long and healthy life with you. I don't know how old your kids are but many rescues won't adopt out to families with small kids so this may be the best for you anyway.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by Raja's Mom

Welcome to YT! I am, by far, not an expert on breeding, I probably don't know the first thing about it. It's my understanding though that not every single inbred dog is born with major problems. Some breeders do it on purpose to bring out the desired traits (this may be unethical.. I don't know) and I think deformities and big problems happen from continued inbreeding. Here is some info:

"Copyright 1996, Sarah Hartwell

Adapted, with permission, from Cat Recourse Archive and edited by Dog Breed Info.

Inbreeding is the mating together of closely related dogs, for example mother/son, father/daughter and sibling/sibling matings. For breeders, it is a useful way of fixing traits in a breed - the pedigrees of some exhibition dogs show that many of their forebears are closely related.....However, inbreeding holds potential problems. The limited gene pool caused by continued inbreeding means that deleterious genes become widespread and the breed loses vigor."


So, since this is the first known occurrence of inbreeding I would believe that the odds are in your favor to have a normal puppy. The important thing is really having enough love in your heart to give no matter what, and you already have that!

as long as the parents are healthy, the puppies should be alsoo..

[amanda350]

I wish could help you...How old are the pups now? Do you have any pics of them? Are there any problems thus far? I would say not worry about it and just play the hand you are dealt when the times comes...

[greenmsgo84]

My first shih-tzu that we got when he was 18 months old. His mom was also the mom to his father and he had a few problems like dry eye and a trick knee but that was it and these problems are very common to the breed anyways. The only other thing was he lived in a cage untill we got him so he didn't know how to walk on a sidewalk so he would try to jump over the lines on it, and some other funny antics. He was a wonderful and loving little man and lived to be 15 years old and we miss him everyday.

[freshie]

Originally Posted by amanda350

I wish could help you...How old are the pups now? Do you have any pics of them? Are there any problems thus far? I would say not worry about it and just play the hand you are dealt when the times comes...

The pups are due any day now and they will be vet checked, dewormed and vaccinated before I get them. I appreciate all the kind words and am just going to wait it out. I mean I know tons of people who went to "backyard" breeders or pet stores and paid top dollar for a lot of frustration. I figure I just happen to know unlike some unsuspecting people. The parents are healthy and the father was the big one in the litter. My fingers are crossed and I'm just going to think positive.

[YorkieRose]

I would take a free puppy, but not pay for one. Plus, there is a big difference in mother/son breeding from outcrossed lines then a mother/son breeding from in or line breeding...meaning, if the parents were totally unrelated and the offspring breeds with one, there is a higher amount of non-related genes in the pool, then if the parents were from a line breeding and have common relatives...if the parents and grandparents are basically healthy dogs, then most likely the pups will be also...which can sound like it is no big problem...but inbreeding can be a mess...most often it will happen if the results of the mother /son breeding was ever bred to a common ancestor, then you will see all sorts of nasty genes pop out...

[freshie]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I would take a free puppy, but not pay for one. Plus, there is a big difference in mother/son breeding from outcrossed lines then a mother/son breeding from in or line breeding...meaning, if the parents were totally unrelated and the offspring breeds with one, there is a higher amount of non-related genes in the pool, then if the parents were from a line breeding and have common relatives...if the parents and grandparents are basically healthy dogs, then most likely the pups will be also...which can sound like it is no big problem...but inbreeding can be a mess...most often it will happen if the results of the mother /son breeding was ever bred to a common ancestor, then you will see all sorts of nasty genes pop out...

the only relation in the line is the son with the mother, none of the grandparents etc. were related. I am not paying for the dog it just for future medical care once I take it home. I am feeling a little better about the situation. Thank you all so much for your responses.

[simonandhallie]

I am not an expert with breeding but I wish you the best with your new pup and I hope he/she is ok and has a long life with you. I am also an advocate of rescuing so I think what you are doing says a lot about you as a person.

Welcome to YT

[freshie]

Originally Posted by simonandhallie

I am not an expert with breeding but I wish you the best with your new pup and I hope he/she is ok and has a long life with you. I am also an advocate of rescuing so I think what you are doing says a lot about you as a person.

Welcome to YT

THank you so much I am so glad I've joined this community. I think it's going to be a great tool on taking care of our newest edition when he/she comes.

[Beckyhebert]

Hope this helps ... my sister had 3 girls and 1 boy sisters and brother. Well the brother got to one of his sisters . My sister never told any of us until the day the pups were born she was so ashamed and thought they would be deformed ... all 4 pups were great and still are. She has taken responsibility were this will never happen again.

[Raja's Mom]

Looks like everything will be just fine - the only catch is you must share photos when the little cutie pie finally comes home!

[erino77]

Originally Posted by Raja's Mom

Looks like everything will be just fine - the only catch is you must share photos when the little cutie pie finally comes home!

Yep definately
Welcome to YT!!