Thanks for asking that question. Can the sun affected the color? I have not had Ivy long but when we went on vacation I think she got lighter, she is now blonder then before.

IMO, that is the reason why you don't see people speaking out against the black coated like you do chocolates, parti and goldens. Even though they do not have the standard steel blue, when used in breeding, it is with the intention of bringing richness of color back into a line and producing off spring that do meet the set standard.

In addition, I have to think that there is not as much criticism of the black coats being an off color because the exclusion of them is such a recent change.

It is not the variation of color or genes or change that concern me. It's the fact that there are alot of breeders out there breeding these dogs JUST because they are marketable as something rare. (The same could be said for alot of breeders of standard colors.) People who are of that mindset are what scare me. I'm guessing many of them don't even have purebred Yorkie lines--that scares me.
If there is a coordinated effort to have a standard set and recognized and eligible to show, then I am all for that. The problem is, the lack of movement to do that. What large scale, coordinated efforts are being made to set a standard, form a unique breed (or variation of breed) club? There are many people claiming they are trying to set a standard to justify breeding off colors. (And please realize that I don't mean this to imply EVERYONE who breeds off colors does this.) I guess that is my concern--kind of hard to put into words.

What kind of an argument is that? And someday TODAY wil be the past.

Ok, sorry, but your response did make me giggle a bit. :p

We're working on that. ;)

BTW glad to see you back. I've thought about you a lot.

We are not cross breeding to get the other colors. these off colored yorkies are 100% yorkie. They got their start from 2 traditionl colored parents, each carrying the off colored gene. Many of those carriers were champions.

That is where most people are confused. They wonder: How can these champion yorkies be carriers of this "awful" gene that results in these new colord offspring.

Well maybe you gals aren't...but I think the concern of many is that some of the people out just to produce dogs that may be a 'rare, trend' are breeding in something else. I know that it certainly would be grounds for me to question them.

Well I suppose you could try, but since there is already a club established for that color it doesnt make sense for you to do that.

As sue "pinehaven" has pointed out many times, the white does not come from the maltese because the maltese does not carry the spotting gene. I believe they mixed in the maltese to get the silky coat.

At one time the maltese and the yorkshire Terrier were both shown in the same group as broken haired scottish terriers. So it stands to reason that they would have bred them together.

There is a picture of Scotch Terriers by Edwin Landseer Titled "Ratcatchers" It cleasrly shows one Terrier wite with a black spot on the back.

I could only find a thumbnail of this painting. I enlarged it but the quality is poor.


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Some of the breeders of traditional colored yorkies are also suspect of mixing breeds. that is where the importance of researching the breeders and the pedigrees come in.

Mine are all descendents of Ch. Rolls Royce Ashley, sire to the first AKC registered parti colored yorkie, Nikko's Mickey Spillane.

Multi-colored terriers
 

I understand your point but as I wrote, The Paisley Terrier weighing up to 16 LBS is alot different then some or most of our Yorkies today....
I see alot of women with teeny tiny Yorkies weighing only 3-4 LBS.
I don't think thats what the original breeder had in mind...My point is.... you don't think multi-colored Yorkies would improve the breed but teeny 3# yorkies are ok.
What would the difference be in the color or the weight???
The clysdale Terrier...This breed, originally exhibited as Skye Terriers, are simply the more silky-haired specimens of this variety. Skye Terrier enthusiasts have always regarded them as bad-coated specimens, more fitted for the drawing-room than the cairns, just as Fox Terrier experts would regard a soft-coated WireHaired as a bad Fox Terrier. The silky-coated dog, however, has his devotees, and along in the eighties a division was made in the Skye Terrier classes, the hard-coated, long and low variety being accorded, by weight of public opinion, the title of Skye Terrier, to which their character, working fitness, and tradition gave them an irresistible claim,, while the leggier and more silky-coated specimens were given the name of Clydesdale or Paisley Terriers. Since then the Clydesdale fanciers have developed the differences in the two dogs and by selection have cultivated the silkiness and lighter colors of the coat, which they have made a sine qua non of the variety. In all other essentials the character and conformation of the two varieties are practically one and the same. The coat of the Clydesdale should be long, straight, and silky; in both texture, color, and quality it should resemble that of the best Yorkshire Terriers, which has been largely used in its manufacture.
The Clydesdale Terrier was a small, silk-coated dog with shades of blue and tan and weighing up to eighteen pounds. The Clydesdale was extinct by the end of World War I.
The Paisley terrier was a small, silky-coated dog of various shades of blue and light blue, weighing up to sixteen pounds. One interesting aspect of this breed is that it once was considered it’s own breed until the clydesdale eventually merged with the paisley terrier to become a single breed.
Kat

Of course they are. Researching the breeder and pedigrees should always come as a general rule of thumb, regardless of breed. But when you have a dog that has a BIG difference in appearance or structure that varies form what is consdiered the 'norm', particularly when they are being marketed as 'rare' and for unusually high prices, I think that is grounds for increased concern and skepticism.

The "Tinies" "Teacups' "Micro minies" etc, many with health issues, are also marketed at exhorbitant prices, (I've see them for $10,000) and they fit the standard. I'm never sure what the issues is on the prices. Is it the high price that people object to or the color? And why would anyone care what price someone else charges?

Actually, I've said that the Maltese could be one place where the white has come from ... a maltese is the extreme white spotting pattern - they are basically one big spot! At one point, there were spotted and colored maltese, the first american born Maltese was white with black ears (if I recall correctly).

That's just it; they are being "marketed" as something unique, the YTCA forbids use of those words. I object to anyone breeding as a business, it should only be done to improve the breed, of you are interested in the profit factor of it, you will not be looking out for the long term affects on the breed. Many of us love the Yorkie just as it as, and want to preserve those qualities.