Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee (Post 1970005)

Really it takes all kinds to make the world go round and I have to say I have seen some serious ignorance in this thread....not going to call out the person because we all see and hear that person loud and clear.

Spending a ton of money doesn't necessarily mean you will get the best damn dog you can...lots of supposed top notch breeders can have a different side to them as well. We saw that not so long ago with a breeder that was on here that was revered and there was another side to her and a couple very bad experiences for some people here on YT. There are lots of expensive breeders that sell dogs that are not what would be fully considered the best representation of the standard...the popularity of the yorkie breed has dictated the way the market has gone as far a pricing. I have also seen several breeders that charge decently and their dogs are way better representations of the breed than those big sellers. So as with anything it's buyer beware and do your homework.

Anyhow that being said....I paid less than $1200 for each of my girls and that was with their ship. Granted her breeder and I had become friends but it was still a good price and she regularly sells her pups for decent prices and works with a family if she sees that they are a good match for her babies. She is not a show breeder nor is she a puppy mill. She might be labled a back yard breeder by some of the overly zealous and rather opinionated folks on here but you know what....at the end of the day I have gotten two healthy girls from this person. She may not do all the millionss of testing that people suggest but her lines are healthy and sound. I wouldn't turn back the clock for a minute.

I really do think that people need to step back and think about how they are posting something. You can have an opinion but try to not be nasty getting your point or opinion across.

For greeders that only care about receiving the most for their dog and see it as a second income and not something done for the greater good ...well what goes around comes around. People will get the word out about you, your practices and prices and it will curb your market some. YT is so not the place to come on and show your true side because we will spread the word and it will definitely put a hurt on your business...we have done it in the past. Knowledge and and the YT grapevine goes a long way.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1969751)

I have top quality show dogs that are treated like royalty at my house. I'm not rich but have sufficient income from a job to have the means to take care of my dogs. I'm not one bit ashamed that I have to be paid for the work and expense of breeding. I cannot afford to do this as a public service for no money. I don't know what it is about dog breeding that makes people think we should be losing money at it, like we owe it to the world to provide affordable pets. Yes, the majority of my customers are either just plain rich or they have professional jobs with high incomes. They are mostly older people who have had dogs before, usually are replacing one that died of old age. Occasionally I sell a puppy to a young professional person who demonstrates an appreciation for the responsibilities of pet ownership and who has a good family support system in place. I deeply resent anyone telling me what I should be charging for my dogs. You don't pay my bills, so mind your own business!!!

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1969934)

Whoa !!! There comes a time where some things just don't need to be written or said. There's many people who did NOT pay a ton of money (me being one of them) - that I'm sure are pretty offended by that blanket statement.....

Sure they are breeders throwing 2 dogs together - but that has nothing to do with this thread. The thread is about being a little nicer to someone on a budget. GOD - with the soaring economy and the cost of living - it must be SO nice to make so much money off the backs of your dogs...

sorry - but your statement was snobbish and in general - just mean. We all can't have showdogs - and I DO agree there are too many people breeding - but to call these dogs 'ugly and unsound' is just mean. This site is too big for comments like that....

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1970032)

The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1969903)

You're describing the kind of breeding that has produced .

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1970032)

I speak the plain truth. The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1970032)

I speak the plain truth. The Yorkshire Terrier has been carelessly overbred to fill a large demand from people who either cannot afford one or who otherwise choose to skimp on the cost of a good one. This practice is now endangering the integrity of the breed. We're seeing liver shunt, MVD, and luxating patellas in staggering numbers, and an abundance of dogs that are so far out of conformity to the breed standard that most people probably don't know what a real Yorkshire Terrier is supposed to look like.

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1970048)

I agree with this - and it's so sad and we ARE seeing more and more sick little yorkies - - but it's thanks to those breeders who are charging AND GETTING big bucks that caused so many to jump on the breeding for money bandwagon.....

Any 'Joe' on the street can see the prices for yorkies and figure "Hey - I can make a buttload of money selling yorkie puppies - LOOK HOW MUCH they go for !" .....so ...the cycle starts ....and they breed without a CLUE. The dogs suffer in the end and the people who love them.

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1970048)

I agree with this - and it's so sad and we ARE seeing more and more sick little yorkies - - but it's thanks to those breeders who are charging AND GETTING big bucks that caused so many to jump on the breeding for money bandwagon.....

Any 'Joe' on the street can see the prices for yorkies and figure "Hey - I can make a buttload of money selling yorkie puppies - LOOK HOW MUCH they go for !" .....so ...the cycle starts ....and they breed without a CLUE. The dogs suffer in the end and the people who love them.

Originally Posted by Deenie (Post 1970105)

Your point is getting lost in your delivery.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1970076)

We're not getting anywhere here. Someone put the idea in your head that dog breeding was supposed to be some kind of charity work. NOT. I breed because I'm still trying to create the perfect Yorkshire Terrier. This is very very expensive and time consuming. Few puppies make the final cut as show prospects and I NEED TO be paid for those that are sold as pets. That is how I raise the money to go to shows, pay big vet bills, buy expensive show dogs, pay the people who care for my dogs when I go the work to a job that I need to do to raise more money to cover more of the expenses. I can tell you that though my prices are not low, they are not nearly as high as they should be.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1970076)

We're not getting anywhere here. Someone put the idea in your head that dog breeding was supposed to be some kind of charity work. NOT. I breed because I'm still trying to create the perfect Yorkshire Terrier. This is very very expensive and time consuming. Few puppies make the final cut as show prospects and I NEED TO be paid for those that are sold as pets. That is how I raise the money to go to shows, pay big vet bills, buy expensive show dogs, pay the people who care for my dogs when I go the work to a job that I need to do to raise more money to cover more of the expenses. I can tell you that though my prices are not low, they are not nearly as high as they should be.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 1970121)

Wow!!!...what a charged topic. To me, the most important thing is health. A sick dog is never a bargain, no matter the price or pedigree. The thing about yorkies is that they change so much from puppy to adult. It's very hard to know what that cute puppy will turn out like so it's very easy to be misled about what you're actually getting. Looking at the parents only gets you so far and can be misleading. Health testing of the parents is no sure fire way to guarantee a healthy puppy. Liver shunt can skip many generations before being expressed in a pup. And just because a pup comes from show lines doesn't necessarily mean a better, healthier or cuter pup. Not all show line pups are show quality, some are far from it. The breed is less than 200 years old and many throwback traits are still being expressed. Line breeding to weed out undesirable traits can create set in health issues due to lack of genetic diversity. I think the best thing for the average buyer is to not buy a Yorkie pup less than 3 months old. By that time, you can get a fair idea of what the pup will look like as an adult. Of course, you must still find an honest breeder that is truthful about their dogs and doesn't just tell you what they think you want to hear. People without much experience with Yorkies are at such a disadvantage if they happen across a dishonest breeder. My experience has been that, with Yorkies, you get what you pay for, if you're lucky. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

Originally Posted by aquinn (Post 1969935)

Personally I see it this way: It's not always about how much you can spend, but how much you are willing to spend. Just as I could with my current financial situation easily spend $10,000 on a pair of shoes I could spend $10,000 on a yorkie, but that doesn't mean I will. I think people misinterpret people's declaired price range. Just cause someone says they want to try and find a yorkie for $800 doesn't mean that $800 is all they have to spend on one. They may very well have looked at their expenses, income, etc and decided this is the best number so that they CAN afford all the other expenses that come along with owning a yorkie. They may have thousands in the bank in an account specifically for their yorkies care.

The bottom line is, we all just need to be careful about what conclusions we jump to. Thus, the money a person wants to spend on the purchase of a puppy does not always equal the amount of money the person has.

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1970128)

If I were RICH ...I doubt you'd take that tone and speak those words.

am I right ? :D:D

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 1970128)

If I were RICH ...I doubt you'd take that tone and speak those words.

am I right ? :D:D

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1969674)

I basically only sell my puppies to rich grownups who have houses and have had dogs before. That eases my mind a lot about how they will be treated after they leave my home.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 1970181)

Wrong, dead wrong. I've had to turn away rich people who didn't seem right for my puppies. I'm not a snob, but I get very nervous when people try to haggle price or talk like they'll eat peanut butter for the next six months to afford the puppy--I fear they'll skimp on care. My puppies stay with me until the right people come along. One fellow recently carried on about how he "just can't justify paying $2000 for a DOG..." He had just placed a one year old puppy mill bred Westie in rescue because it was biting his kids. He wanted to pay $1000, has to mature between 5-6 lbs, dark blue, ears up, all kinds of requirements, describing my best show prospect but can't justify paying for it...By the way, anybody who admits they ever had to place a pet in rescue is not a candidate for my puppies, no matter how much money they wave around.