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love_me_cody 03-23-2008 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucysyoyopoos (Post 1870304)
i think you must be jumping to conclusions about ALL the amish people.
dont judge all the people because of a few.. there should be laws
and enforcement..

I 100% agree with this!!!! That's just being prejudice. It's just like saying a lot of Christians in this area or black people in that. There might be a lot of that kind but don't pull their religion/ways out.

lucysyoyopoos 03-23-2008 08:47 PM

yeah
 
:aimeeyork there are a lot of amish people for sure... in ohio
if they were ALL breeding dogs i think we would know


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Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1870310)
I 100% agree with this!!!! That's just being prejudice. It's just like saying a lot of Christians in this area or black people in that. There might be a lot of that kind but don't pull their religion/ways out.


Nancy1999 03-23-2008 08:47 PM

Here's a link some of you might be interested in. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html

yorkiekist 03-23-2008 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1870317)
Here's a link some of you might be interested in. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html

LOL!!!!!:thumbup:

lucysyoyopoos 03-23-2008 08:50 PM

troll here
 
wow:mad:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 1870247)
You are right. Like PA there are Amish areas which are filled with puppymills and unfortunately the state itself is labled a puppymill state. In PA it is illegal to hold dog auctions and the Amish travel across to Ohio monthly to auction dogs at the Columbus Flea Market which is owned by an Amish man. It always makes me scratch my head - Amish are supposed to be God Fearing Religious People yet they treat animals as they do. Clean barns I'm surprised about - most live in HORRIBLE CONDITIONS.

Elaine


lucysyoyopoos 03-23-2008 08:55 PM

troll here
 
i might be part troll...
but whats wrong with that

i love shrek
thanks for the definitions.. ive been called a troll today quite a few times

whats ob?????????????:animal36
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1870317)
Here's a link some of you might be interested in. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html


vviccles1 03-23-2008 08:56 PM

I have had the creme de le creme of yorkies for 30 years and am disgusted at how people these days are. My little Jasper in my avator should of been 3-4 lbs max, he is 8 lbs, very neurotic and has collapsomg trachea, I got a pure bred chi that was neurotic, I decided to get pets only. I am thrilled. I have a chorkie,he is the sweetest lttle boy, sadly he has an irritated trachea and a peke- a poo who is the light of my life. I have no demands and they are my companions,I love them to bits, It makes me angry that folks call them designer breeds or highbreeds & charge outrageous prices. If you want a darling forever companion under 500.00 in the rockies or new england I will be more than happy to refer you to a responsible breeder who raises her pups in her kitchen.

flutterby 03-23-2008 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1870321)
LOL!!!!!:thumbup:


:D :D :D With you on that!! lol

whitney_faulkne 03-23-2008 09:08 PM

I have not followed up with this entire deal, but I have read books and spoken to the vets I shadow about mixed breeds. I know their are a lot of contraversies on the subject. Personally I believe these poodle mixes are not such a bad thing. I dont believe it is bettering any breed because it is a mixed breed, but the first cross is a much healthier and smarter dog than either parent. The offspring takes the best traits from both parents. It is really intresting to look into. Many people want these poodle crosses because they have less shedding and they are better with allergies. They also are very smart. People mess up by not doing the proper testings and research, an can produce a genetic defect as far as hips,eyes, and other genetic traits. When you have a perfect poodle and a perfect breed (ex golden retriever), it is going to produce an amazing dog. It will bring the best traits of both worlds. They are incredibly cute too. (my photo is a goldendoodle) Many people argue that if one wanted a mixed breed dog, then they should go to the shelter, instead of producing more. Everybody needs to realize that their are many purebred animals in shelters too, and not everybody rescued their baby. One who wants a certain mixed breed as bad as somebody who wants a certain perfect purebred is going to go to a breeder of that breed, unless they find one in a rescue. I believe with proper research it can be a positive thing. I personally think it is best to spay your animals and not breed them. I do believe if you are going to breed you should do much research and try your best to better your breed or better the animal. Also, their are mixed breed registries. I know CKC registers mixed breeds, although they seem to register almost anything. I believe this purpose is just to keep track of histories. Might I also add... I do not quite understand the genetics of mixed beed dogs, but Dr. kaye was explaining to me that the first cross is the healthiest, and when they are bred back to a 75% 25% or bred with another first generation, it brings back a higher chance of health problems.

lucysyoyopoos 03-23-2008 09:10 PM

puppy love
 
i think 500.00 is a good price to a good home.. however, asking a higher price
helps to weed out undesirable homes along with references.. offering a fair price , especially for a pair of sibling puppies.. :)
inbreeding the purebred dogs is not a good idea??????
shouldnt it skip a generation???



Quote:

Originally Posted by vviccles1 (Post 1870329)
I have had the creme de le creme of yorkies for 30 years and am disgusted at how people these days are. My little Jasper in my avator should of been 3-4 lbs max, he is 8 lbs, very neurotic and has collapsomg trachea, I got a pure bred chi that was neurotic, I decided to get pets only. I am thrilled. I have a chorkie,he is the sweetest lttle boy, sadly he has an irritated trachea and a peke- a poo who is the light of my life. I have no demands and they are my companions,I love them to bits, It makes me angry that folks call them designer breeds or highbreeds & charge outrageous prices. If you want a darling forever companion under 500.00 in the rockies or new england I will be more than happy to refer you to a responsible breeder who raises her pups in her kitchen.


yorkiekist 03-23-2008 09:13 PM

Why would only the healthy good traits come out in the first generation? I am sure HD, LP, LS, etc come out in the first generation of mixes as well and as frequently as they do in purebreds.

lucysyoyopoos 03-23-2008 09:15 PM

yeah
 
thanks for your post:aimeeyork :animal36 :thumbup: :thumbup:

:) :rolleyes: :animal36 :animal36
Quote:

Originally Posted by whitney_faulkne (Post 1870342)
I have not followed up with this entire deal, but I have read books and spoken to the vets I shadow about mixed breeds. I know their are a lot of contraversies on the subject. Personally I believe these poodle mixes are not such a bad thing. I dont believe it is bettering any breed because it is a mixed breed, but the first cross is a much healthier and smarter dog than either parent. The offspring takes the best traits from both parents. It is really intresting to look into. Many people want these poodle crosses because they have less shedding and they are better with allergies. They also are very smart. People mess up by not doing the proper testings and research, an can produce a genetic defect as far as hips,eyes, and other genetic traits. When you have a perfect poodle and a perfect breed (ex golden retriever), it is going to produce an amazing dog. It will bring the best traits of both worlds. They are incredibly cute too. (my photo is a goldendoodle) Many people argue that if one wanted a mixed breed dog, then they should go to the shelter, instead of producing more. Everybody needs to realize that their are many purebred animals in shelters too, and not everybody rescued their baby. One who wants a certain mixed breed as bad as somebody who wants a certain perfect purebred is going to go to a breeder of that breed, unless they find one in a rescue. I believe with proper research it can be a positive thing. I personally think it is best to spay your animals and not breed them. I do believe if you are going to breed you should do much research and try your best to better your breed or better the animal. Also, their are mixed breed registries. I know CKC registers mixed breeds, although they seem to register almost anything. I believe this purpose is just to keep track of histories. Might I also add... I do not quite understand the genetics of mixed beed dogs, but Dr. kaye was explaining to me that the first cross is the healthiest, and when they are bred back to a 75% 25% or bred with another first generation, it brings back a higher chance of health problems.


love_me_cody 03-23-2008 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitney_faulkne (Post 1870342)
I have not followed up with this entire deal, but I have read books and spoken to the vets I shadow about mixed breeds. I know their are a lot of contraversies on the subject. Personally I believe these poodle mixes are not such a bad thing. I dont believe it is bettering any breed because it is a mixed breed, but the first cross is a much healthier and smarter dog than either parent. The offspring takes the best traits from both parents. It is really intresting to look into. Many people want these poodle crosses because they have less shedding and they are better with allergies. They also are very smart. People mess up by not doing the proper testings and research, an can produce a genetic defect as far as hips,eyes, and other genetic traits. When you have a perfect poodle and a perfect breed (ex golden retriever), it is going to produce an amazing dog. It will bring the best traits of both worlds. They are incredibly cute too. (my photo is a goldendoodle) Many people argue that if one wanted a mixed breed dog, then they should go to the shelter, instead of producing more. Everybody needs to realize that their are many purebred animals in shelters too, and not everybody rescued their baby. One who wants a certain mixed breed as bad as somebody who wants a certain perfect purebred is going to go to a breeder of that breed, unless they find one in a rescue. I believe with proper research it can be a positive thing. I personally think it is best to spay your animals and not breed them. I do believe if you are going to breed you should do much research and try your best to better your breed or better the animal. Also, their are mixed breed registries. I know CKC registers mixed breeds, although they seem to register almost anything. I believe this purpose is just to keep track of histories. Might I also add... I do not quite understand the genetics of mixed beed dogs, but Dr. kaye was explaining to me that the first cross is the healthiest, and when they are bred back to a 75% 25% or bred with another first generation, it brings back a higher chance of health problems.

I agree, too! I guess if we are buying from a breeder we aren't helping shelter dogs in a sense. Unless you got all of your dogs from a shelter, you can't keep yelling a people about their dogs. You're not helping at the end either.

lucysyoyopoos 03-23-2008 09:25 PM

breeding yorkipoos
 
wouldnt it be smart to use different, not related dogs to stud. alternate
stud dogs with dams.. there was advice given on a site stating soming like
let the sire of the sire be the grandsire??? i dont think i got that right????
not father to daughter.. that is the inbreeding???
its not the mixes with the diseases .. it is the inbreeding?
testing for diseases before breeding :animal-pa should help


Quote:

Originally Posted by whitney_faulkne (Post 1870342)
I have not followed up with this entire deal, but I have read books and spoken to the vets I shadow about mixed breeds. I know their are a lot of contraversies on the subject. Personally I believe these poodle mixes are not such a bad thing. I dont believe it is bettering any breed because it is a mixed breed, but the first cross is a much healthier and smarter dog than either parent. The offspring takes the best traits from both parents. It is really intresting to look into. Many people want these poodle crosses because they have less shedding and they are better with allergies. They also are very smart. People mess up by not doing the proper testings and research, an can produce a genetic defect as far as hips,eyes, and other genetic traits. When you have a perfect poodle and a perfect breed (ex golden retriever), it is going to produce an amazing dog. It will bring the best traits of both worlds. They are incredibly cute too. (my photo is a goldendoodle) Many people argue that if one wanted a mixed breed dog, then they should go to the shelter, instead of producing more. Everybody needs to realize that their are many purebred animals in shelters too, and not everybody rescued their baby. One who wants a certain mixed breed as bad as somebody who wants a certain perfect purebred is going to go to a breeder of that breed, unless they find one in a rescue. I believe with proper research it can be a positive thing. I personally think it is best to spay your animals and not breed them. I do believe if you are going to breed you should do much research and try your best to better your breed or better the animal. Also, their are mixed breed registries. I know CKC registers mixed breeds, although they seem to register almost anything. I believe this purpose is just to keep track of histories. Might I also add... I do not quite understand the genetics of mixed beed dogs, but Dr. kaye was explaining to me that the first cross is the healthiest, and when they are bred back to a 75% 25% or bred with another first generation, it brings back a higher chance of health problems.


whitney_faulkne 03-23-2008 09:29 PM

I am not so sure what you aare trying to accomplish with your breeding. I know it is the last thing you want to hear, but I believe it is best to spay your animals. Might I also add just because your baby is AKC registered doesnt mean it is flawless or that it is of champion bloodlines. I do not believe everybody breeds just for money either, becasue when it comes down to it, with all the proper testings, health care, shots, microchips, health guarantees, and many things that can happen, ((all of those things considered)) breeding animals has no profit. Not only is it wrong to breed just for money, but when you make enough money to breed just for money, you know you are doing it improperly.


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