America' Pet Registry, INC. ???

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

This is what Ruth Freeman. a long time reputable parti-color breeder said about AKC and APRI:

...we like the fact that to register our litters with american pet, they require that all puppies registered with them have to come from AKC parents...showing purebred lineage...which can be acquired from them....they also register the color combinations as they should...AKC in the past would register a gold yorkie as a black and tan, even if you sent them pics...now of course because the partis, golds and other exotics are becoming more and more popular AKC has stepped up and decided to register the color for what it is...problem with that is all the puppies that were resistered as black and tans and were actually golds or exotics long ago, all the color charts of long ago are not representing the lines as correct colors in many instances...so a breeder just trying to figure out all the new colors is clueless on where to start if purchasing to develop color in his/her lineage with AKC...American Pet has always registered the adult as the color it is...so there are no problems with color charts...many, many breeders are changing to American Pet for this reason...+ it is a purebred registry....also ....our babies are dual and triple registered becasue of so many different requests from clients for differetn registries, there are literally hundreds of places to register a dog or a puppy...always look for the purebred registry...

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

This is what Ruth Freeman. a long time reputable parti-color breeder said about AKC and APRI:

...we like the fact that to register our litters with american pet, they require that all puppies registered with them have to come from AKC parents...showing purebred lineage...which can be acquired from them....they also register the color combinations as they should...AKC in the past would register a gold yorkie as a black and tan, even if you sent them pics...now of course because the partis, golds and other exotics are becoming more and more popular AKC has stepped up and decided to register the color for what it is...problem with that is all the puppies that were resistered as black and tans and were actually golds or exotics long ago, all the color charts of long ago are not representing the lines as correct colors in many instances...so a breeder just trying to figure out all the new colors is clueless on where to start if purchasing to develop color in his/her lineage with AKC...American Pet has always registered the adult as the color it is...so there are no problems with color charts...many, many breeders are changing to American Pet for this reason...+ it is a purebred registry....also ....our babies are dual and triple registered becasue of so many different requests from clients for differetn registries, there are literally hundreds of places to register a dog or a puppy...always look for the purebred registry...

Who??? Are we supposed to know who this is?
I can only say that as long as I have been reading and talking yorkies that it is not known as a particularly reputable registry.
I did go to their website and under their list of breeders could not help but notice the majority are based in missouri. I have no doubt that there are a couple of breeders that do not fall into the mill class but it was a registry founded by commercial breeders and resellers. That speaks volumes for me.

[whispersmom2]

The alternate reg. may have "always" reg the "right" or "correct" colors for partis. How long is "always"? How old are these registries? I am totally unimpressed with the arguments that AKC does not keep accurate records for partis. They still will provide the DNA studies that are required for a stud who has sired 3 litters in a year or 7 in a lifetime. Not so for the other registries. There is NO paper trail or avenues to persue if you feel the sire is incorrect.
Feel free to PM me and I will provide you with the addy that APRI uses for posting. If you read carefully, you will discover that most if not all are commercial breeders or in some instances, millers..

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

What's the difference between a "commercial" breeder and a "miller". Most of the anti-puppymill sites I go to define a "puppymill" as commercial breeders who breed dogs for money. Are there commercial breeders who aren't puppymills and how would you tell the difference if so?

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

I guess this is a "loaded" question but I was really hoping one of the longtime experts would have an answer.

[ingallsra]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I guess this is a "loaded" question but I was really hoping one of the longtime experts would have an answer.

I don't think it's a loaded question at all, but a very valid one.....

[Luvmypupster]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

What's the difference between a "commercial" breeder and a "miller". Most of the anti-puppymill sites I go to define a "puppymill" as commercial breeders who breed dogs for money. Are there commercial breeders who aren't puppymills and how would you tell the difference if so?

Kim, that is a great question. I don't think it's loaded at least not to me. IMO it's what you mentioned above "Most of the anti-puppymill sites I go to define a "puppymill" as commercial breeders who breed dogs for money". But again..it's my opinion and nothing will change it. As for any other that doesn't fit into the "most" category I would have to see them for myself..visit them before I would be willing to even consider that they were not mills. Seeing is believing. Again this is my opinion and I don't want to offend anyone.

[MeganS]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Sylvia sorry to say that is not true...AKC will not take another United States pet registry even if you do prove lineage. If A pup is not born to AKC Sire/dam it can not be registered with AKC...there are only out of country exceptions.

wow i did not know that!!! thanks for telling me. so does that mean that unless the parents are AKC your's can't be? because i'm not sure with tucker, he has "papers" thats all i know. but i'm pretty sure his parents are AKC. what if only one of them are?? or can it not be like that? wow this is something new i learned today, thank you!

[diva pup]

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Here are our Dog Owner's Guidedefinitions to help you decide:

Hobby breeder: A breed fancier who usually has only one breed but may have two; follows a breeding plan in efforts to preserve and protect the breed; produces from none to five litters per year; breeds only when a litter will enhance the breed and the breeding program; raises the puppies with plenty of environmental and human contact; has a contract that protects breeder, dog, and buyer; runs a small, clean kennel; screens breeding stock to eliminate hereditary defects from the breed; works with a breed club or kennel club to promote and protect the breed; and cares that each and every puppy is placed in the best home possible.

Commercial breeder: One who usually has several breeds of dogs with profit as the primary motive for existence. The dogs may be healthy or not and the kennel may be clean or not. The dogs are probably not screened for genetic diseases, and the breeding stock is probably not selected for resemblance to the breed standard or for good temperament. Most commercial breeders sell their puppies to pet stores or to brokers who sell to pet stores.

Broker: One who buys puppies from commercial kennels and sells to retail outlets. Brokers ship puppies by the crate-load on airlines or by truckload throughout the country. Brokers must be licensed by USDA and must abide by the shipping regulations in the Animal Welfare Act.

Buncher: One who collects dogs of unknown origin for sale to laboratories or other bunchers or brokers. Bunchers are considered lower on the evolutionary scale than puppy mill operators, for there is much suspicion that they buy stolen pets, collect pets advertised as "Free to a good home", and adopt unwanted pets from animal shelters for research at veterinary colleges or industrial research laboratories.

Backyard breeder: A dog owner whose pet either gets bred by accident or who breeds on purpose for a variety of reasons. This breeder is usually ignorant of the breed standard, genetics, behavior, and good health practices. A backyard breeder can very easily become a commercial breeder or a puppy mill.

Puppy mill: A breeder who produces puppies hand over fist with no breeding program, little attention to puppy placement, and poor health and socialization practices. A puppy mill may or may not be dirty but it is usually overcrowded and the dogs may be neglected or abused because the breeder can't properly handle as many dogs as he has. Puppy mill operators often denigrate hobby breeders and their dogs in attempts to make a sale.

Unfortunately, some people who are well-ensconced in your local dog scene could be categorized as operating puppy mills. Prospective buyers should be careful to question anyone they are considering as a source for a puppy.


I copied and pasted this from another site.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by MeganS

wow i did not know that!!! thanks for telling me. so does that mean that unless the parents are AKC your's can't be? because i'm not sure with tucker, he has "papers" thats all i know. but i'm pretty sure his parents are AKC. what if only one of them are?? or can it not be like that? wow this is something new i learned today, thank you!

Yes Both parents must be AKC to regisiter a litter AKC
One AKC one NonAKC parent must reg with another agency, breeders could reg the litter with CKC, APR, APRI and several others

hope this helps

[sylvan]

...[I]we like the fact that to register our litters with american pet, they require that all puppies registered with them have to come from AKC parents...... They also accept other registries and have just acquired an open registry that doesn't require validation of purebred lineage and will register any mix you like. They also address the DNA issue as being not cost effective and merely a Public Relations tool???????

so a breeder just trying to figure out all the new colors is clueless on where to start if purchasing to develop color in his/her lineage with AKC... A Breeder looking to incorporate a new dog into his/her breeding program will not just rely a piece of paper with lineages. They will research all available information on the preceding generations including genetics regarding health, temperment and color until they are satisfied with the answers.

Pretty good sales pitch though.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by diva pup

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Here are our Dog Owner's Guidedefinitions to help you decide:

Hobby breeder: A breed fancier who usually has only one breed but may have two; follows a breeding plan in efforts to preserve and protect the breed; produces from none to five litters per year; breeds only when a litter will enhance the breed and the breeding program; raises the puppies with plenty of environmental and human contact; has a contract that protects breeder, dog, and buyer; runs a small, clean kennel; screens breeding stock to eliminate hereditary defects from the breed; works with a breed club or kennel club to promote and protect the breed; and cares that each and every puppy is placed in the best home possible.

Commercial breeder: One who usually has several breeds of dogs with profit as the primary motive for existence. The dogs may be healthy or not and the kennel may be clean or not. The dogs are probably not screened for genetic diseases, and the breeding stock is probably not selected for resemblance to the breed standard or for good temperament. Most commercial breeders sell their puppies to pet stores or to brokers who sell to pet stores.

Broker: One who buys puppies from commercial kennels and sells to retail outlets. Brokers ship puppies by the crate-load on airlines or by truckload throughout the country. Brokers must be licensed by USDA and must abide by the shipping regulations in the Animal Welfare Act.

Buncher: One who collects dogs of unknown origin for sale to laboratories or other bunchers or brokers. Bunchers are considered lower on the evolutionary scale than puppy mill operators, for there is much suspicion that they buy stolen pets, collect pets advertised as "Free to a good home", and adopt unwanted pets from animal shelters for research at veterinary colleges or industrial research laboratories.

Backyard breeder: A dog owner whose pet either gets bred by accident or who breeds on purpose for a variety of reasons. This breeder is usually ignorant of the breed standard, genetics, behavior, and good health practices. A backyard breeder can very easily become a commercial breeder or a puppy mill.

Puppy mill: A breeder who produces puppies hand over fist with no breeding program, little attention to puppy placement, and poor health and socialization practices. A puppy mill may or may not be dirty but it is usually overcrowded and the dogs may be neglected or abused because the breeder can't properly handle as many dogs as he has. Puppy mill operators often denigrate hobby breeders and their dogs in attempts to make a sale.

Unfortunately, some people who are well-ensconced in your local dog scene could be categorized as operating puppy mills. Prospective buyers should be careful to question anyone they are considering as a source for a puppy.


I copied and pasted this from another site.

Please identify the site. It matters what their "agenda" is as to how they arrive at their definitions of course. Thanks.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Please identify the site. It matters what their "agenda" is as to how they arrive at their definitions of course. Thanks.

Kim, I cannot find the site again.It was an art site is about all I can tell you. I do not think the person had an "agenda" any more than I do. It was just another web page that is against puppy mills.
I posted it because you wanted a definition and I thought it was pretty accurate. I think I must be a little confused as to what you are looking for. Did you want a legal definition?
IMO A commercial breeding facility is no different than a puppymill. They are both a breeding for profit business with no concern about the genetics of the dogs they are breeding. As long as they are the same breed or at least in the ballpark of the same breed.
And an FYI, Did you know that APRI will register dogs with a limited AKC pedigree? So the breeders that sold these dogs on pet contracts because they didn't feel they were of quality to breed for whatever reason the "reputable" APRI registry will register for breeding.

[Luvmypupster]

Originally Posted by diva pup

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Here are our Dog Owner's Guidedefinitions to help you decide:

Hobby breeder: A breed fancier who usually has only one breed but may have two; follows a breeding plan in efforts to preserve and protect the breed; produces from none to five litters per year; breeds only when a litter will enhance the breed and the breeding program; raises the puppies with plenty of environmental and human contact; has a contract that protects breeder, dog, and buyer; runs a small, clean kennel; screens breeding stock to eliminate hereditary defects from the breed; works with a breed club or kennel club to promote and protect the breed; and cares that each and every puppy is placed in the best home possible.

Commercial breeder: One who usually has several breeds of dogs with profit as the primary motive for existence. The dogs may be healthy or not and the kennel may be clean or not. The dogs are probably not screened for genetic diseases, and the breeding stock is probably not selected for resemblance to the breed standard or for good temperament. Most commercial breeders sell their puppies to pet stores or to brokers who sell to pet stores.

Broker: One who buys puppies from commercial kennels and sells to retail outlets. Brokers ship puppies by the crate-load on airlines or by truckload throughout the country. Brokers must be licensed by USDA and must abide by the shipping regulations in the Animal Welfare Act.

Buncher: One who collects dogs of unknown origin for sale to laboratories or other bunchers or brokers. Bunchers are considered lower on the evolutionary scale than puppy mill operators, for there is much suspicion that they buy stolen pets, collect pets advertised as "Free to a good home", and adopt unwanted pets from animal shelters for research at veterinary colleges or industrial research laboratories.

Backyard breeder: A dog owner whose pet either gets bred by accident or who breeds on purpose for a variety of reasons. This breeder is usually ignorant of the breed standard, genetics, behavior, and good health practices. A backyard breeder can very easily become a commercial breeder or a puppy mill.

Puppy mill: A breeder who produces puppies hand over fist with no breeding program, little attention to puppy placement, and poor health and socialization practices. A puppy mill may or may not be dirty but it is usually overcrowded and the dogs may be neglected or abused because the breeder can't properly handle as many dogs as he has. Puppy mill operators often denigrate hobby breeders and their dogs in attempts to make a sale.

Unfortunately, some people who are well-ensconced in your local dog scene could be categorized as operating puppy mills. Prospective buyers should be careful to question anyone they are considering as a source for a puppy.


I copied and pasted this from another site.

Excellent!!!! This is a great description of what the majority understands the terminology to mean. After years of being involved and research on this topic it defines everything to a T. Thanks for sharing it. IMHO (of course)

[PinkMartini]

Originally Posted by ingallsra

You CAN get what is called an ILP with AKC. It stands for Indefinite Listing Privilege. What it means is this: If you believe your dog to be purebred, but it's parents weren't AKC registered, there is an application you fill out requesting ILP. With ILP, you can't show in AKC conformation, but you can show in other AKC classes such as agility, obedience, etc...
The application is available on the AKC website and is under the ILP heading. It requires you to answer several basic questions, including why you believe your dog is purebred. It also requires that you send two pictures: one of the head, and one full side shot.

ILP Registration also requires the dog registered to be spayed or neutered