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Old 12-27-2007, 02:57 PM   #1
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Question Hereditary mange???

On our way back from Houston, today, we stopped in to Adopt-A-Pet...a local shelter that adopts out animals.

We oooh and aaaah over the cats then went to look at the dogs. Before the lady even opened the door, I saw a yorkie. The name on the tag read "Radar". I started asking questions on the yorkie because I thought he looked a little familiar.

The lady said he'd been there for a while. He had been adopted out 3 or 4 times but always returned because "it didn't work out". The lady said that he probably spent most of his life in a cage and was used as a breeder dog. He was about 7 years old. She said that he was a "special needs dog" because he had thyroid problems and has Demodectic...a type of mange that the lady said was hereditary. She said that was sad because he probably passed the mange on to his pups.

I then recognized the dog and his name. A friend's mother had owned him...bought him from a breeder, used him a few times then turned him in to Adopt-A-Pet for them to rehome him. I did tell the lady that I knew where he came from and that the lady didn't keep him in a cage (but the original breeder did).

I did a search on Demodectic mange and it said... "The mite is not contagious from dog to dog in the usual sense, nor is it transmissible to humans. Dogs acquire the mites during the first two to three days of life while nursing their dams." http://italiangreyhound.org/pages/70...s/demodex.html

This leads me to believe that the "hereditary" mange the worker spoke of isn't necessarily hereditary. Is there one out there that is?

I called my friend to ask her if their "Radar" was the "Radar" that I saw out there. I mentioned the mange thing to her and she said her mother had taken "Radar" to two different vets because "Radar" had gotten into poison ivy but neither vet said it was mange...just a reaction to the poison ivy oils.
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I had a litter of Labradors many, many years ago. One of the puppies that I sold came up with Demodemic mange at about 7 month old. None of the other puppies or the dam and sire had this condition. I asked if the people wanted a refund, bring the puppy back, etc. They didnt want to part with the puppy so I gave the money back and helped out with the vet bills. I had never heard of this type of mange before either. they never could get rid of it after a year of treatments and then they moved so I dont know what happen after that.
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I forgot, the vet back then said it was a suppressed immune system that couldnt fight off the demodemic mite. I think there is a mange that is contagious, maybe sarcoptic mange.
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demodex mange is hereditary but can be treated with medicated shampoo--malaseb and dips -mitaban its smells like gasoline until it clears up it could come back later no dogs with this should be bred
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There are types of mange that are hereditary. Not only that, but they are mitochondrial disorders and therefore can only be passed down through females.
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I forgot, the vet back then said it was a suppressed immune system that couldnt fight off the demodemic mite. I think there is a mange that is contagious, maybe sarcoptic mange.

I had a dachshund once that my vet said had that kind of mange. He said all dogs have it but some just don't have the immune system to keep it under control or when they are stressed they can get over grown with them. But I only gave her one dip in the medicine (supposed to be several weeks treatment at 3 times a week) that the vet gave me. It went away and never came back as long as I had her. He did mention that it can be passed on to pups. I never bred her.
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There are types of mange that are hereditary. Not only that, but they are mitochondrial disorders and therefore can only be passed down through females.
Oops...phone rang and I didn't finish. It's not really the mange itself that is inherited...it is an auto immune disorder that inhibits the dogs body from fighting off the specific type mange that is found naturally on dogs.
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demodex mange is hereditary --no dogs with this should be bred
Not so. It can only be passed on from the mother. A male dog w/ the condition could be bred and there would be NO chance whatsoever that the disorder could be passed on to offspring.

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demodex mange is hereditary but can be treated with medicated shampoo--malaseb and dips -mitaban its smells like gasoline until it clears up it could come back later no dogs with this should be bred


You are correct in that it is heridtory. that is why our female Pug was spayed when she was seven months old. two others in her litter had it also. We have used Mitaban a few times. it is very expensive and yes, it does clear up then come back.
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Interesting...so is there a way that you can avoid having these in your litters...or is this something that just creeps up? Can a mother not have it but a pup ends up with it?

So as far as "Radar"...he couldn't pass it on to his pups...only a mother can.
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Interesting...so is there a way that you can avoid having these in your litters...or is this something that just creeps up?
I would guess you'd have to know in depth the genetic background of the line just like with any other disorder that can be passed on. I would have to question how easy it would be for this to be misdiagnosed though...

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Can a mother not have it but a pup ends up with it?
I would think so. As with any genetic disorder, I'd assume it's possible for it to be dormant and not passed on to EVERY pup.

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So as far as "Radar"...he couldn't pass it on to his pups...only a mother can.
Correct. Absolutely no way a male can pass it on. IF this IS in fact what the problem is.
(Same can be said for certian types of heart failure, certain seizure producing neurotic disorders, and certain cases of deafness in dogs....can only be passed on by a female. W/ emphasis on "certain," not "all." )

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Just to add to that...I would have to wonder...

Seeing as dogs who are the result of inbreeding (and line breeding?) are more at risk for compromised immune systems...and this is a condition that seems very similar...makes you wonder if maybe it could be a sign that something isn't what it should be in the pedigree...hmmm....tht would be interesting to know,...

Just thinking out loud....
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What's going to happen to Radar ?
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There is a lot of misinformation out there on Demodectic Mange....

One of my dogs (seen in my avatar) had mange and we finished the treatments about 2 months ago.

When we first started, I did a lot of research to find the best possible course of treatment for her and decided the mitaban provided the best chances for recovery (in conjuction with an immu-boosting supplement).

This is a great site to find out about it. http://www.peteducation.com/article....&articleid=729
As you will read...it is genetic. All dogs have the mites but a comprimised immune system causes the "red mange".

If there is anyone out there that is dealing with this at the beginning, I would be happy to share my experience and my treatment log. Just pm me.
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My neighbors boxer Abbie has that. She has to take a kind of chemo treatment for it. It has only flared up 2-3 times, but when it does she just lays around and doesn't come out of her yard... . The treatment makes her so sick...and then after her treatment is over she is running and playing again.
The vet said that when dogs have it that it usually flares up during the heat cycle or pregnancy.
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