Has anyone heard of Continental Kennel Club?
 

Are they good .. or is that the one that will take any dog?
thanks all

Not sure about the differ. I might have read that they have not been around along as the AKA. Not sure. Any other info would be great to know.

It's not a good registry. They'll basically take any dog. All you have to do is send in money, a picture, and have two witnesses claim the dog is that breed..and the witnesses can be anyone

When the AKC got tough and started requiring DNA to prove that a dog was purebred, a lot of "alternative" registries started popping up. They are mostly used by backyard breeders, puppy mills, people who have been suspended from the AKC, etc.

They are known as "paper" registries because that's all you are getting for your money - a piece of paper. As MyFairLacy said, all you have to do to register your dog with one of these registries is submit a photograph and have two people say that your dog is purebred. These two people can be anybody - a friend, neighbor or your Uncle Harry!

Oh, and the money. Don't forget to send the money! :D

CKC - "Continental Kennel Club" ( do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club! )

CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs ( such as "commercial breeding farms" - also known as "Puppy Mills" ). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries. If other kennel club papers are not available, the dog owner must provide two witnesses who can verify the accuracy and truthfulness of the information listed on the application.

http://www.winddreamer.net/labfiles/...egistries.html

Please just remember that unless you are planning to breed it really doesn't matter what registry you use, if any at all, because getting a dog that is AKC registered doen't mean it will be a good/well bred dog & getting one registered with CKC (or any of the other registries) doesn't mean it is a bad/poorly bred dog. Please purchase for temperment not registry. The most important part of getting a dog/puppy is to have a happy healthy baby, registered or not.

Although you can't guarantee an AKC dog is a well bred dog, you can guarantee that a CKC dog is a badly bred one. Since CKC has no conformation trials, no CKC dog can be proven to be representing the breed standard. Not to say that a CKC dog won't be a great dog, and a wonderful pet, but a lot of people want to support high quality yorkie breeders when they buy a puppy. Even the AKC breeders that don't show at least have ancestors that were shown. Also, AKC cares about more than money, so there are much fewer mixes registered as purebreds, much fewer puppymills, etc.

Wow, that's an unfair, mistruth if I ever heard one! You can't just assume that because a dog is CKC reg it is poorly bred! :mad: Nor does that mean they aren't good representation of the breed. I have a CKC female who I bred to a dual reg male. I had her evaluated by several 'experts' (show breeders and judges) before even considering breeding her. I did everything I could to make sure she was a 'quality representation' of the breed. So you can't always judge a book by it's cover.
You can get dishonest breeders and poorly bred dogs with ANY registry.
Sorry, but for those who do take the time to go about breeding the right way, comments like that are quite insulting.

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I AGREE - my AKC registered male was unhealthy & his breeder was/is horrible. The male I have now is CKC registered and he is healthy, beautiful & right on track to fit the "breed standard" perfectly. I would rather deal with a good breeder thru CKC than someone like the AKC approved puppymill I had the misfortune of dealing with my first go around!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Well said! People can't just assume CKC is bad bred!!!! That is sooo untrue!

Sorry but this is untrue according to their site.

Taken right off their site:
"Does Continental Kennel Club sponsor dog events or dog shows?
Yes, CKC sponsors performance events."
And Conformation is on of their sponsered events. They even have the rules posted for conformation.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...tion_1105.aspx

I also see no where on their site where they state that they accept mix breeds. Maybe it is there but I haven't seen it.

Also if the dog's parentage is questioned they DO DNA.
Taken off their site:
"Does CKC use DNA testing for determining canine parentage?
Yes, when questions arise about the parentage of a dog."
Here is where their rules are listed.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Rules.aspx
They will revoke your registration and membership if you do not follow the rules.
Take a look at their rules, you would be pretty surprised at what all the rules are. They do have rules and standards alot like AKC.
Oh and another thing I found interesting is that with CKC if you wanted to you CAN have the registration limited on a dog or off spring.
Taken from their site:
"CKC Preferred Breeders will be able to assign a puppy that they produced a Limited Registration which means that the puppy will not be able to produce offspring registerable through CKC and will not be able to compete in any conformation events. Limited Registrations give the Preferred Breeders more choices for their registration needs."


Sorry I just hate that people think so lowly of CKC dogs. I am not for one registry over the other. But I have seen some great representatives of the breed in both CKC and AKC registrations as well as very poor representatives in both CKC and AKC.

I would say AKC is still a little more strict but CKC is improving. They do a lot more than most people think. They are nothing like ACA that will take anything.

I forgot to add that CKC does have a code of ethics and they do do inspections.
Taken from their site:
"Submit to random inspections of your facilities. In order to ensure that breeders in this program are using our guidelines correctly and raising dogs in a healthy environment, we must be able to check your breeding grounds from time to time."

Hello StMarys--I have experience with CKC registry...
 

The CKC is a good registry, they do not just let you send in any papers and register under them. They require that they be purebred and that dams owner certify when bred, with whom, and of course of the the get from a breeding.

They do allow I believe, the father being from some other reputable registry.
As for two witnesses saying an outside of the CKC registry bred dog would be with breeder and vet being reliable witnesses. In any case, they do not have a large membership in New England like the AKC in NY does. Nor have they been around as long.

You can get pedigrees, memership, webiste, magazine, books on your particular interest etc on their website.

I have CKC male 3yr old, who has studded and a CKC female almost a year old whom I would like to breed shortly with healthy, sound, well marked approx 4 lb yorkie male in Massachusetts. Only have a litter a year, this is her first. The get will go CKC as this registry is most particular that the female breeder is listed in their registry. In fact the breeder of my male gave me his parents infor so I could get an ancestry pedigree and I send them in. They wouldn't even accept it, requested the original breeder request it only as she owned the those dogs, so they can be very picky about some things.
Good luck and oh the CKC does not do many sanctioned dog shows in N E area as yet so if that is a priority on your puppy's to do list may have to travel a little south for their matches.

Have a good new year!
Pat Medeiros
pmede77911@comcast.net

Has anyone heard of Continental Kennel Club
 

[quote=stmarysmama1;1625802]Are they good .. or is that the one that will take any dog?
thanks all[/quote

I bought Tricksie and she is a registered Yorkshire Terrier, she is registered with the Continental Kennel Club. I was not interested in breeding.

They clearly state on their website that they sponsor performance events. I find it misleading that they have a page about sponsoring conformation shows, when no actual conformation events are scheduled or have ever been conducted. I searched the entire site for past and upcoming events and only found performance events being held.

Their rules and regulations state that:

6. CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB accepts registration applications and issues certificates based on the honor and integrity of the owner/breeder applicants, and CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications.

I would not personally put my faith in a registry that allows registration based upon the honor system. It appears that that are provisions for DNA testing if parentage is challenged, but it is not required as it is with the AKC.

I'm sure many very nice, honest people register their dogs with the CKC. Unfortunately, the honor system doesn't work with dishonorable people and that's why the registry is popular with backyard breeders and puppy mills.

Perhaps in the future if CKC conformation shows actually become a reality and DNA testing becomes mandatory, the perception of the CKC may change. It does appear that they appear to be attempting to improve their credibility, or at least the perception, unlike most of the other alternative registries.

EVERY registry can only guarantee so much and then it falls back to the honor and integrity of the individual breeders. There are stories on here all of the time of people who purchased AKC dogs that turned out not to be what the breeder claimed.
Not to mention that there are SOME instances where AKC does not require DNA testing--i.e. males who are not frequent sires. There are loopholes with ANY registry.

Unfortunately, you are very correct....kind of like the old saying goes: "A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch." As you pointed out, they do seem to be making efforts to improve...
Sadly, as I can attest, many who are 'honest' find the negative associations more than they are willing to deal with in the long run. After a while, you come to realize that no matter how hard you try, few will actually take the time to look past the negative to see the positive.

I know that they sponsor alot of agility events, which is where I met the breeder of my female, which was one of the positives that I found when searching.:cool:

My Daisy is CKC registered and is a happy, healthy, beautiful yorkie.

While DNA and other requirements do help enforce the rules, every registry depends, to a certain extent, on the honor system. I know breeders (sadly) who wait until the last possible moment to submit their AKC litter regs so that they can choose a birthdate that makes the puppy's weight look good. I have an AKC male who looks like a poodle (he cannot be purebred by any stretch of the imagination). Even the AKC DNA registration for frequently used sires can be faked...who's to say which dog's cheek you swab?

My point is not that the AKC isn't good, the point is that NO registry can guarantee anything 100% either way. Saying that dogs from another registry are definitely the product of bad breeding is as incorrect as saying that all AKC dogs are well-bred.

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I have to agree there are good and bad in all registries.

All I can say about this is to study, study and study some more and educate yourself when you buy. I only register with AKC and all my dogs are AKC registered and in good standing and healthy. If you do your homework and know your breeder then you should always have a healthy animal.
Donna
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

If I were looking to breed and show, I would only go AKC. Of course I would only buy from a reputable AKC exhibitor/breeder. If I was only looking for a pet, I would still only look at reputable breeders. CKC(continental) seems very iffy to me. I have to ask why anyone with an AkC registered dog would register with CKC(continental) unles they have lost the right to AKC privledges. The fees for AKC are not that expensive, so I just dont get it. So, then I ask, how is CKC(continental) registering dogs without papers. And, if AkC papers are supplied, how do they know those papers go to that dog? And if the dog has AKC papers, why register with CKC(continental)? And how do you find a reputable breeder through CKC(continental) when they dont have conformation shows or have any breed standards? Has anyone ever herd of a kennel inspection done by CKC(continental)?Does CKC(continental) ever fund canine research? Do they ever do canine public relations? Just wondering what the benefit it would be to go to another registry.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. I know from previous threads you are one to defend CKC reg. dogs because of your little one, and rightly so. I believe there are always exceptions, but in general, responsible breeders such as yourself are few and far between these days. I am referring to the unreputable breeders and puppymills I mentioned in my previous statement, and I should have been more clear about that. I apologize.

I also, as you did, emphasized that there are "dishonest breeders and poorly bred dogs with ANY registry" in my previous statement.

Once again, I'm sorry for offending.

You said what I was thinking much less confrontationally. Good points.

yorkiekist--
You bring up many good points, most of which are topics that should be addressed with ANY breeder you are considering acquiring a dog from, regardless of registry. I can give my input on some of them based on my own personal experiences....

A CKC breeder I worked w/ bred AKC only for years. She began reg w/ CKC to participate in their sponsored agility events (how I met her) and eventually stopped reg w/ AKC, with whom she was still in good standing as I checked. I dual reg 2 of our males w/ CKC, just because. Sure that is not the case w/ all.

I know that they were for a while reg them based on witness testimony and pictures..."Open" registration. I don't know if they still practice this, don't care. I admit personally would question getting a dog w/ CKC only.

How can you be sure of this for any dog? (Unless you challenge it and the breeder is forced to prove it.)

The same way you find a reputable breeder in any other case. Ask around, get referrals. I met one at an agility event. As for breed standards, CKC follows the lead of the AKC set breed standards and promotes them.

Yep. I actually visited a lady who turned out to be a miller years ago before I acquired my first Yorkie. (Turned out she had about 50 dogs in a barn.) She had dog that were APRI, AKC and CKC. I reported her to all 3. Followed up w/ AKC and CKC and both had invoked disciplinary action against her, animal control took most of her dogs. (Shockingly, CKC acted and followed up with me first.) Also, I know that both ACK and CKC were very strict w/ breeders when working w/ my local shelter (where my aunt was an employee) when they would sieze Pits used in dog fights.

Don't sweat it--I understand your point. :) I happen to understand and agree with you on several of your points, they do shelter some of the scum of the Earth millers and it does make me sick. :thumbdown You definately have to be very cautious!

Good! I'm glad I didn't piss you off too much...:D

LOL...nah, that almost never happens anymore.;) :p We all have a right to our opinions and are adults here...I think...

Thanks for your info Bama!:) I still dont get it if you have an AKC dog why you would want to go to another registry. To each their own. I was just wondering: how can a labradoodle breeder be a preferred breeder by the CKC? The labradoodle is not listed as a recognised breed by CKC.:confused:

Labradoodle? Heck if I know...if you get an answer to that one, let me know!:p I can understand reg w/ CKC too so you could participate in their events, but I wasn't altogther sure why you would drop the AKC altogether--I know I dual reg two of ours, just to keep them the same as the female, but I didn't drop the AKC reg. I guess everyone has their reasons. To be quite honest, I never realized how much emphasis is put on one registry over the other until I started breeding myself. Then again, I don't consider myself as associate with those types of breeders that you find being frequently doubted and questioned on their ethics....:)

At least there is one good ethical breeder that uses CkC!! I hope there are many more like you, Bama.:) It just all boils down to doing your homework when getting a puppy.