Here's the ad Yorkiekist must be referring to:

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...?BreedNum=9999

That was it but I was on the Yorkie page and it said to click here to see list of preferred breeders and 2 labradoodle breeders came up. they do have a generic standard for the yorkie.

Unless your going to breed your dog, it does NOT MATTER what registry they are with. I am proud to own a CKC registered Yorkie and he is BEAUTIFUL and FABULOUS! It honeslty makes me crazy when people start getting all AKC yuppy-like. It's a freaking kennel club, not some "I'm Better Than Thou" social society

When I buy my next yorkie, it will be from a reputable breeder. Even though I am looking for a yorkie as a pet only, it is still VERY important to me to buy from a good breeder...one that breeds to the standard, shows their dogs in conformation, health tests their dogs, knows their lines, breeds for a certain temperament, requires pets to be spayed/neutered and sold on limited registration, preferably on the prefered YTCA breeder referral list, etc. There may be a few reputable CKC breeders out there like Bama, but they are few and far between...I will be looking at AKC show breeders when I'm ready to add another baby to my family. To me it doesn't matter if you are looking for a show dog or just a pet...the puppy really ought to come from a breeder that breeds to improve the breed..a reputable one. No point in supporting bybs in my opinion

I agree that if you do not plan on breeding, it doesn't matter. But with my personal experience with CKC - "Continental Kennel Club" I would not get another dog that was registered with them. I had a dachshund, lets put this right, a "mini" dachshund, registered with ckc, and when I sent papers in, for parents, grandparents, etc. they could not find not only the grandparents, but the Parents. My little Charlie grew to be 22 lbs, which we all know is not a mini dachshund. Of course I loved him very much, and got attached to him right away. He ended up having seizures for the 6 years I had him. Medicine did the best it could for him, and I cried every time he had one. I lost him over 1 1/2 years ago. But my point here is, I did have a small female I did want to breed him with, and after I got him, and fell in love with him, I could not return him because he got big. I did end up having him fixed because he was too large to breed with my female. So on his CKC papers, no parents were listed. I wonder what would have happened if I would have breed him with my female? The puppies would have shown parents, but no grandparents, at least none on the father's side, the seizures could have been passed on, and no one would have been the wiser....................!

there are more and more ruputable breeders starting to leave or double registering akc because they believe that akc is all about the money and not the animals. one of my yorkies is double registered because the breeder never saw the akc rep. come and check out the dogs or their condition they were living in, he just checked out the paper work.

how many people had strays knock up their registered dogsand then claimed the father was another registered just so they could get the money. akc is an orginization running on honesty just like all the others. anyone can lie to them and get away with it most of the time.

"Why do I want to buy a puppy from a show breeder.......I only want a pet." If you are wanting a pet Yorkie, you already have an idea as to what a Yorkie is supposed to look like. The AKC Yorkie Standard is the reputable breeder's guide to a perfect dog.

The reason that breeders show their dogs is easy. The original reason that AKC started having shows was so that breeders could compare their breeding stock to other breeder's breeding stock. There is no better way to learn if their dogs fit within the standard than to show them and have them compared to other representatives of the breed shown by other breeders. They also get a better understanding of the required structure and make-up of that particular breed, in this case the Yorkie. When breeders do not show their dogs, how do they know that their dogs even fit within the standard? If a breeder does not show how can that breeder know that they have show quality puppies?

When buying from reputable breeders there can be very little difference between show quality and pet quality! The key word here being reputable. Please remember that not every Yorkie Breeder out there is breeding Yorkies within the standard which is 7 pounds and under. Nor do some of these breeders care that they are not breeding within the standard because they just want to sell "pets". This would be fine if a big majority of these dogs at least looked like the breed they are supposed to be representing. Sadly, some of these so called pets can weigh up to 15 pounds and more .... and just barely resemble a Yorkie.

So if you truly have your heart set on a Yorkie that looks like a Yorkie your best chance of getting the dog of your dreams is from a reputable Yorkie breeder."

http://www.foxstonemaltese.com/show_vs_pet.htm

My only other thought is, that to those that only want a dog from a show breeder, You don't have to show to be reputable and ethical and news flash!!!!!!! i know first hand that not all show breeders are reputable or ethical. so it looks to me like anyway you go, show breeder or not, you better really be up on your research.

Aww, thanks!:) My view was, your ethics and the way you go about doing things should be the same, regardless of the registry, so that is how I approached it. I focused more on the breeder and the dogs than on the registry. Rookie mistake. Sadly though, you guys are right regarding the 'few and far between' part, which is unfortunate for those who do try.:( Eventually the constant defending against the typical stereotype has become more hassle than it's worth...but no worries.:) If that is the worst of my problems in life to face...lol.:p

Puppy Mills are not limited to CKC
 

Many posts say that CKC is supporting puppy mill breeders, I would like to point out that my first Yorkie was from an AKC puppy mill, like it or not. While the CKC has some puppy mill breeders, they have lots of good breeders too (Bama you have a lot of good company, keep up the good work!) & while AKC has lots of good breeders they have lots of puppy mill breeders also. So for the people who say CKC supports puppy mills wouldn't it stand to reason that AKC does too?

No one said that all show breeders are reputable. There are many other things a breeder must be doing besides showing to be considered reputable by me. Showing does not always equal reputable..I learned this with my first cat. But I will only be buying from reputable AKC show breeders in the future...it is very important to me.

I guess the key word is reputable. Some people equate showw breeder with reputable breeder and as you have found out, that is not always the case. i found out first hand too. I have always bought AKC and will continue to do so but those breeders have to be reputable too. I wish I had know everything I know now when i bought my first yorkie. i didn't even have a yorkie when I joined here and was just in the start of my research when I got my first yorkie. fortunately, he has turned out to be a great little guy.

Let me just add...
I don't completely understand the whole "preferred breeder" status that they have or how it qualifies the breeders there as being held to a higher standard.
Among other requirements, you aquire that title by meeting enough of their pre-set 'requirements' all assigned a point value. After you have met enough to aquire a certain amount of points, you are awarded the title--proper dog runs, grooming area, kennel, etc. Problem is, not every breeder has a kennel area or a specified whelping room. My bathroom/kitchen counter is where I groom my dogs--I hardly think that would count.
The other half of the points are givens...water was provided for the dogs, dogs are on a feeding schedule...:confused: How does that "set you apart?"
Some are valid...health testing required, participation in events, etc, but not enough to get you the point total you need to qualify.

See what I mean...but it comes with a nice fee to CKC every year. What is the point of a buying a title that means nothing? It's meaningless. If you have to buy a title to set yourself apart from other breeders...well, maybe there are some things in your program you should focus on improving....:cool:

I agree 100%. To me an AKC show breeder is the bare minimum requirement, the starting point in a search for a puppy. After that, genetic screening and health testing are the next criteria I look for. I would not consider getting either a Maltese puppy or especially a Yorkie puppy without knowing that both parents had been tested for liver disease. Dr. Center recommends that all puppies be given bile acids tests before going to their new homes (with sixteen weeks being ideal) so I would make sure that was done, too.

I agree. I save website or info of breeders I may contact in the future when I'm ready to buy my next puppy. The first thing I look for on a website is to see if the breeder shows their dogs. That is the first thing I look for...if they don't, I stop there. If they do, then I continue to look at the site. I look at the breeder's history and their sires and dams. If they have a sample contract I look at that. Basically I look at all the info on their site, and if it meets my standards I save the site in my favorites. However, I know a website is not enough to make me buy a puppy from someone. When the time comes, I will of course contact that breeder and ask all kinds of questions. Showing is just a starting point for me. I also want to see beautiful dogs that clearly meet the standard - HEALTHY dogs. I want the breeder to be testing all their dogs - knees, hips, liver, heart, eyes, ears, ect. I don't want to see any dogs being bred with ANY health problems in their pedigree. Puppies should leave no earlier than 12 weeks of age. They should be appropriately vaccinated for their age, socialized, and started on potty training. They should be well groomed, happy, and healthy puppies with good temperaments. All puppies going to non-show homes should be sold with a spay/neuter contract and limited registration. The breeder should take back and dogs if the buyer ever cannot keep them. I want to see AT LEAST a one year health guarantee....preferably longer. Anyway, just a few things I can think of just off the top of my head right now in a breeder I want. Like Ladymom said, showing is just the start for me.

I don't really understand why a reputable breeder would not be showing their dogs. I can maybe understand not really being into the showing aspect, but then why not hire a professional handler to show the dog for you? I've seen several show breeders on here say how much they love the showing aspect but aren't crazy about the breeding that comes along with it. But they get such a thrill out of producing their next little champion. I guess it seems to me that reputable breeders breed to improve the breed and of course LOVE the breed...so why wouldn't they be excited to have the dog shown and proven to be a great example of the breed?

It's just not something that interests everyone out there. There are lots of things that come with showing that are major turnoffs to some people. The travel, the training, the upkeep of a show coat alone is a full time job! Not to mention the time involved--not to say that breeding isn't time consuming, but when you add shows as well, it puts it at a whole other level. That doesn't mean that their goals in breeding is anything other than to produce quality dogs, they just don't choose to show them is all.

Some people have neither the money nor inclination to show. Nor do they have money to pay a professional handler two to three thousand dollars a month. I know one lady here that writes a professional handler a check for 1,500 every month plus another one at the end of the month for all his travel, food and etc expenses. She is not a member of YT but she "shares' her handler with a YT member and a couple of other people. They each pay the same amount.

Holy cats :eek: I think I've missed my calling!

I didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if this question has been answered. Does the CKC insist that the parents be registered to register the pups?

I want to breed but I don't want to show. I would breed to the standard but I don't want to go around the country just to go to dog shows. It is understandable why some may enjoy it but that's just not me. Handlers are way too expensive and it would be good to break even on breeding even without paying a handler.

What surprises me is how many byb's/hobby breeders/pet shops charge the same for their puppies as show breeders do when obviously a breeder who shows puts much more time and money into her puppies.

If puppies from byb's or hobby breeders registered with the CKC or other alternative registries were considerably cheaper, perhaps it could be argued that "you get what you pay for". It's unfair, though, when people are lead to believe that they are getting the same quality puppy for a similar price.

To get back on the original subject, that's why I don't like the CKC. I think the website is deliberately misleading, a lot of "smoke and mirrors" to make people think that they are getting something they are not. Why have a whole page about conformation, shows and judging when no events are actually being held? Or talk about how their preferred breeders must be breeding to the highest standard and then have 25% of their preferred breeders raising designer mixes? I think they count on the fact that anyone who even bothers to go to their website to see if there is a difference between CKC and AKC will just believe what is written and not bother to click on the links to learn more.

I think the one thing we have all agreed on is that anyone who is about to buy a purebred puppy needs to do a lot of research before selecting a breeder.

OK, now that point I definately agree with! That's where you get your unethical people that come in trying to make a living off of pumping out pups as fast as they can.:( I work when I do so that I have income to support my dogs (and bills and family), I don't breed to support my family.

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I REALLY hope you weren't implying that my Bouncer was from a BYB b/c he in fact came from a very reputable, FANTASTIC breeder who I would drive to Florida and back again to get another yorkie from. And yes, she does show her dogs. One of them is actually doing some amazing things in the agility ring. Sorry, I just get EXTREMELY pissed off when someone tries to imply or tell me that Bouncer is "nothing" b/c he isn't from some snotty AKC breeder who thinks their better than everybody else. I'd take him AND his CKC registry anyday. I may have three AKC yorkies, one I did buy AKC. The other two were fosters, and honestly I ddin't give a rat's you-know-what about even registering them except just to have them in the Lost and Found program or whatever it is. Their my kids, not my "let me brag to you how much better my dog is than yours" pet. OK, off my soapbox now and gone from this thread. Just makes me MAD

:confused: Did you read the whole thread? No one said that all CKC breeders were bad...and in no way did anyone imply that a CKC dog wasn't as good of a pet as an AKC dog. :confused: And just because someone chooses to buy from a reputable AKC show breeder doesn't mean they think their dog is any better of a pet than anyone elses...no one is being snotty or bragging...this is just a thread about opinions and preferences

I reread the thread and think I found what you are refering to..where I quoted you and replied. You had said that registry didn't matter unless you were going to breed. My reply to that was to imply that it shouldn't matter whether you are looking for show dog or just a pet - you should using the same criteria when seeking out a reputable breeder. I think when I started replying I got off topic from what I meant to originally say though...in the beginning I meant to say what I just said above..but then I went on about looking for a reputable breeder even when just wanting a pet. No one should be buying from byb period, even if they just want a pet. I definitely didn't mean to imply your dog came from a byb. I wasn't directing that to you...just speaking in general about looking for a reputable breeder when looking for a pet.

as for why some breeders will not show their dogs just look at the german shepard. a true working healthy working shepard has a straight back and a long gait. a show shepard is expected to keep its back legs slightly bent so the back has a 10 degree slope from front to back, and when it runs it runs with its legs bent causing problems with the hips and joints as it gets older. show shepard are breed to look a certian way that is not functional as a working dog. a lot of good breeders will not show because of the elitist mentality of some show dog breeders when the dogs are as good as if not better than a show dog.

it's not the same species but the easiest example to use.

Actually you are correct that no one IMPLIED that a CKC dog wasn't a well bred dog - as you can see below we CKC owners were told implicitly that our dogs were guaranteed to be poorly bred (they later "restated" what they "meant" to say). I imagine that several CKC owners have been thouroughly offended by the guarantee that our dogs are poorly bred & the repeated implication that AKC dogs are better bred. As I have stated before AKC has puppymill breeders just like all the other registries - I made the mistake of purchasing one, he was the sweetest, sickest little boy & I spent $1,700.00 in VET bills in the 1st month alone & the AKC approved breeder still won't return my phone calls. I am not saying that all AKC breeders are bad, just like I am not saying all CKC breeders are good but I can see why CKC owners & good CKC breeders are getting tired of having to defend our babies & hearing "I will only buy/register with AKC" - :confused: actually if you think about it doesn't that statement imply that our CKC dogs aren't as good??

Oh my Gosh people. I love you all, but this is a site where people can express their opinions, and preferences. Some people prefer CKC, some AKC,
and some are not registered at all, but whatever they are, they ARE OUR babies. We love them all no matter what. Peace! :aimeeyork

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Ah, a voice of reason!

I was so impressed how well this thread was going as I know this can be a touchy issue. We seemed to be having a very adult, educated discussion until this last page. :(

Yes, I agree. I just really love this site, and want to see everyone get along. I may not say too much, but I do look and read what people have to say. You are never too old to learn something new. :)