In defense of those puppies your breeder is shipping all over the country - why don't you contact someone who will make her treat her dogs for their problems ??? No puppy should have to live like that - especially when it's a known problem - :( if your first puppy had the same things - it's time to ask for help for those other dogs she's selling. She should be reported ...or at least ...tell someone who can offer you some help

poor babies - that has to be itchy and uncomfortable and some things untreated can cause some serious other ailments -

lots of puppies are scared when we bring them to us ...they're being taken away from life as they know it - and in your case - flying in a loud airplane ?? I can see him being timid just for those reason alone - GOOD Luck !

and if the breeder IS a member here ...I hate to say this... but you need to clean up your breeding program - that is so not fair to the puppies AND their people...I don't know who you are - but it seems to me you could do much more for your puppies ....since YOU brought them into this world.

I agree. You brought them into this world and they are totally helpless and depended on you-they are your babies too!!! Poor new owners that got their puppies from you-do you know how heartbreaking and helpless it is if things happen to your new baby and to see them suffer?? Probably you don't care much and don't feel the same for the little ones; if not you would have done something about it! :thumbdown

Thank you red98vett- that's the whole point of this thread.
I like reading your comments on this board by the way.:)

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Something needs to be done. Most know a new pup will be afraid after a flight....but the physical illness, nonono...pups should come to you WELL, not with a lot of vet bills for problems the breeder hasn't taken care of!

I don't think all puppies are scared at a new home
not at all

Tila wasn't scared on bit. not even a little,
she just started "hopping" (her form of running when she was small) around our house and being happy and playing and licking right away
it only took her like 2 minutes, I think because she was sleepy, and tehn she was like "HEY! COOL!"

sorry for the double post
but I was reading some of the middle postings
and it's really sad how you are all attacking this girl
even if she IS wrong about the breeder
or got a 2nd dog from the breeder when it wasn't a good idea
you don't have to be rude.

she came here for HELP.

Help her as much as we can because I think she is feeling pretty bad right now. Give her a break about getting the second dog from the breeder because I am sure she knows it and do not feel good about is as well.

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You can tell the difference in a pup who was shipped clean, health and one who perhaps got sick on the flight. My friend, Mary has shipped my pups to me over the years..I have yet to get one that arrived with vomit or poo in the carrier..all arrive clean, dry and frisky...I am not saying they can not poop or vomit, but they never arrive filthy.
Believe me, there is a BIG difference in the smell of long time filth...there is such a distinct odor that comes from a nasty kennel that does not materialize in a few hours on a plane from being sick.

:thumbup: I had received Coco at the airport and though she had peed in her crate and pooped, she did NOT smell that bad. I of course gave her a bath but I could tell she was clean before because parts of her still smelled good :rolleyes: There is most def. a distinct odor with animals who have not been kept well. Also my baby traveled 5.5 hours and the minute I got her out of her crate, she was hopping around like a bunny. She wasn't shy or scared.

Gia just started showing signs of demodex the same week I got Chewy. The breeder & I did have a good relationship (that's the reason I brought another dog from her). Gia was fine & healthy when I got her in July but last week once she was diagnosed with the demodex (which was on a Wednesday) Chewy was due to come on Friday (the 20th)

The breeder use to respond to my emails but once Gia got sick she is no where to be found. She won't answer my emails or calls

The only reason I'm not naming her is because if Chewy takes a turn for the worst I'm bringing her to civil court & i don't want her t counter suing me for deformation of character (so I'm playing it safe)

Why would I buy a another dog from the breeder with the same thing.

Don't post stuff unless you know the full story, that was posted last week after I found out about Gia. I talked to the breeder Friday (the 20th)morning before Chewy got on the plane (i called her 6:45am) she said Chewy was fine & he didn't have demodex and he passed the health inspection. Being that we had a good relationship I believed her .And I don't appreciate you trying to make me look bad. So if you don't have anything positive to say don't post at all

The pup was paid for already since the middle of Oct,before I found I Gia had demodex, if Gia would have shown signs earlier i would have asked for my money back. But it was to late to do anything
And dealing with this bredeer I doubt she would have given me anything back

I'm sorry this is going on! What a nightmare!

I've seen that site and talked to the woman here before, and I thought that she was a good breeder. I would have bought from her. I'm saying that so you won't feel like you've been an idiot, or something.

Hopefully she'll realize that it's in her best interest to respond to you, and take responsibility for this. And STOP breeding the dog carrying this in its genes!

However, I do have to agree that just because the pup is sick doesn't mean it's been hit or hollered at. Maybe he just feels really lousy and miserable and scared.

I'm going to post pics of him so everyone can see what pup is going through (visually). I'm taking him to the vet now so he can be dewormed , get his first first pup vac, & his first deeping. My vet bill today will be 253.00 on top of the 199.99 I paid saturady . And in another two weeks he goes back for more shots & another dip

civil court damages would be based on whats in the contract you signed...

Karma I think your vet is somewhat at fault here...He gave Gia a clean bill of health, months later diagnose mange - ear mites if not treated can cause these problems. Seems to me your vet missed this!

ear mites, mange and some worms can be treated with one or two doses of Ivermectin or monthly dose of Revolution...Demodex is not usually hereditary in most cases would be considered environmental.

"defamation" - small claims only awards true monetary loss.

I feel so sorry for what you are going through. The time, effort, the worrying, the expenses can sometimes be very taxing on the owner's emotion especially if you treat puppy like your own child. Take care and keep us updated.If you need to vent, we will be here.

The revolution wont kill all the mites (mange). My Vet put Chachi on it when he had mites but he also had to go for the dips.

thats true thats why I suggested "or Ivermectin"...your right some advanced cases need the dip...

Karma, I am not trying to imply that the breeder isnt at fault here she should be for at least the entire treatment of Chewy because he obviously came with all of these problems, which is very sad, poor little man.

But your vet missed the ear mite problem (which your breeder should have been responsible for as well if diagnosed at her first well check) in Gia and when eat mites go untreated they can lead to mange...weakening your pups immunity system.

Karma I dont understand the shots? what vaccinations is your vet doing?

Just dropped Chewy off, they may keep him overnight to see how he deals with the dip & the deworming at the same time. They said he looks good :) :)

feminvstr....

Why are you even posting here ??? I have enough going on with my pups & what sense does it make for you to come & make smart a ** comments & TRY to judge me or my actions.

I'm not going to the original vet i first went to (maybe if you read the post all the way through you wee see what I've been going through this past week & a half)

Demodex cannot be detected until it comes to the surface, so my vet had no way of knowing 3 months ago that Gia would have demodex now.

"Demodex is not usually hereditary"

How do you explain two pups from the same litter with the same disease????

Karma your acting as though I am defending the breeder here which I am NOT! Its a shame this is happening to you and I think the breeder is being irresponsible for not dealing with all these issues with you privately and in good faith, you purchased two purposed healthy kids that is not what you received "it is more apparent in Chewy"

FYI demodex can be hereditary but in often cases it is not! Ear mites left untreated can cause sarcoptic mange and some cases can develope into
demodectic mange.

The mange mite has a 20- 35 days lifecycle so it is obvious it came from your breeder! Your first vet just missed the mites in Gia and theyve worsened!

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Demodex, itself is not hereditary..all dogs carry the demodex mite on the skin..the problem surfaces with a low immune system and that can and can not be hereditary... I find demodex is a problem in a high volume kennel where there is alot of stress, poor nutrition, lack of sunshine/exercise, poor hyigene, stressed bitches and a general poor condition of the dogs involved...all these factors contribute to poor immune system.

There is a big difference in a dog that is in A-one condition and one in so-so condition...the so-so might look okay..UNTIL you see breeding stock in A-ONE condition. Many breeders have no clue what A-one condition is...

IMO, these things are "fixable" if a breeder wants to fix them...you start by STOPPING...when a breeder has a problem with worms, demodex, coccidia, bacterial skin problems, infection etc..it is best to stop breeding for a period of time, get your dogs in tip top condition and build up their immune system.

I would not buy from a breeder who had litters with repeated demodex probelms...the mite itself can be killed, but it can be extremely hard on a puppy to dip it in a toxin to kill the mites..some develop liver problems for a period of time, among other things...my vet has todl me that a small Yorkie can go down so easily after a dipping..he had to watch them very closely.

I wish your puppy the best of health in the future.

Good info YorkieRose...thanks.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT DOGS WITH A HISTORY OF GENERALIZED
DEMODECTIC MANGE NOT BE BRED AS THERE IS A HEREDITARY
COMPONENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISEASE

Females should be spayed as soon as the disease is controlled. Coming into heat, hormone fluxes, and pregnancy are very stressful. Also, predisposition to demodicosis is hereditary and should not be passed on.

That is good info Yorkierose. That the dips can cause liver problems really concerns me bbecause My vet never told me that. We discontinued the dips after the 5th one because Chachi was getting so sick after them.

excuse me? I believe you posted on a public forum and have been asking questions and looking for help. Kimberly posted some very helpful information for you as did many other people, including those who recommended(along with your vet) that you hold off on getting a second pup. You chose to ignore the advice you recieved and are now making very strong accusations of abuse and neglect.
The pup was on a delayed flight so was in a crate for about 9 hrs. I don't know any pup that would not have had an accident and been traumatized by this...so it is common sense that he would be smelly and fearful. Making the assumption that he was abused is a strong accusation against any breeder and not one to be made lightly, especially given the fact that he has in two days begun " barking like crazy at everything, running around the house & even jumping on my leg for me to pick him up "
Agreed, the pup should not have been released from the breeders care with any kind of problem, but you were forewarned that he had an issue before he was shipped
" she told me he was on meds for some kind of skin irritation ".....
and you were aware of the mange issue with the pup you had gotten from this same breeder and chose to go ahead anyway?

:thumbup: :thumbup: Excellent post. I would NEVER get a second pup from this same breeder. Even if you found out after you paid, I would threaten to sue her if she didn't give my money back, after the first pup got sick :thumbdown

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