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question about spanking every thing i have read says never spank never hit.....my parents have had dogs since i was a baby and always either spanked them or rubbed their nose in it...another couple we know says that they spanked their yorkie and she learned not to poop inside.....there have been a couple times that addy has bit one of us prety hard and she has gotten a little bop on the head for it....she stopped biting. whats the official word on this and the reasoning? (i know theyre small and delicate.....but a light bop on the head seems to work?) anyone? |
I would not spank. Yorkies are VERY sensitive and a stern NO will almost always sufice. |
I guess it's a personal decision, but I personally would never spank one of my babies. It just doesn't work for me, I'm not for it. I'm so scared of injuring them. I just don't have it in me to spank a 5 pound dog. Plus yorkies are very stubborn and it may not have any affect on them. I used to tap my 130 lb. great dane on his rump, when he misbehaved. But I was so scared of injuring him, that I would do it very lightly,so he always thought I was petting him, and he would move his head by my hands, so I could rub his ears. LOL. I guess I just don't have it in me. |
I don't think theirs anything wrong w/ a light tap but that's my opinion and I'm not going to argue it. Debating about spanking dogs is like debating about spanking human children, or abortion, or politics. Everyone has strong feelings and it's a never ending arguement/debate. Do your research on the topic, then come to a conclusion on your own. W/ huge debates like this it's never good to just go w/ what others feel. You gotta know for yourself and do what you feel is right. People claim that spanking a dog makes him/her fear you. I have yet to find this true, that is if the spanking is a tap vs. a full blown hit. |
I used to spank Chachi not hard for pottying in the house and he started flinching. Thats when I started looking for other ways and started training him |
It all depends i just want to let you know in advance that this is a very touchy subject to some. I don't see a prob with a light tap here and there i mean don't go beat the dog because he pee'd on the floor i use a flyswatter to scare Peeka i don't hit him with it but he knows when i bring it out i mean business some people beleive in it some say absolutly not i'm in between i wouldn't roll up a news paper and hit him but when he bites i do tap his nose with my finger and tell him no. |
I don't spank a dog or rub their nose in messes. Use a stern "no" or "don't". I prefer "don't" cause no rhymes with slow & go, other commands i use in training my dogs. |
It makes a dog afraid.:( |
Well...this does get people thinking and hopefully everyone will offer opinions and no one will come on and say they smack their dogs and it's fine - :thumbdown ....cause it isn't. I don't see anything wrong with a TAP on the nose - a light tap just to get their attention - but that's where I draw the line. I HATE hearing about people rubbing their dogs faces in their 'accidents' ....that is just Totally HUMILATING to the animal - Why would anyone think that works ? Hitting and forcing a dogs face into their own pee just serves to make them cower and be afraid - which leads to more accidents - I never spanked my kids and would never hit an animal - no matter what. Well - take that back - IF I was protecting my girls from another dog - you can bet I'd smack the poop out of it just to get it away. If I ever saw anyone hitting a dog - you can bet I'd be in their face. |
spanking Unless you actually catch the dog making a mistake in the house, it does little good to correct at all. A dog has no idea why you are rubbing it's nose in pee..prevent mistakes with gates and pens, frequent potty breaks, belly bands and panties to prevent the odor from attracting them back to the same area..if you find a stool on the floor, take it outside and put it in an area you want the pup to go..if they are trained to wee pads, put it there for an hour or so..not fun, but they need to be drawn back to the odor of where they went in the past. Correcting for biting is a different matter..have you ever watched how the Dog Whisperer corrects a dog..the same way the dam corrects a pup..you give it a poke or tap on the side of the face or shoulder area..gentle of course. Dams take their paws and do this..they might even make a snapping sound with the teeth like Ceasar does.. |
I think they have pretty much determined that spankingf does no good what so ever as a form of punishment. I give mine a gentle swat to get them out of something that they are not supposed to be into, but I wouldn't call it spanking. As a method of house breaking it's pretty much useless cause by the time you get to them they are finidshed an have run off. Stomp your foot clap your hands and make a loud noise to startle them. It's much more effective. For any other behavior correction, I use the dog whisperers method of a quick touch, and a sound. Just to let them know you don't like what they are doing. |
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The only good thing that came from that was that whenever I want her to stop immediately I just say, "stop" and she'll IMMEDIATELY stop in her tracks and turn to look at me.....so spanking DOES work....but mostly out of fear, not necessarily respect :( |
Well i hope no one thinks i hit my dog but i do tap him on the nose when he bites and won't let go and i'm talking a tap just to get his attention and tell him not to do it again i don't beleive it beating a dog but the use of a fly swater does great for me when i need it i don't hit him i smacked the floor by him one time and thats all it took when i bring it out now( which is very rare) he knows to focus on what i'm telling him it's actually really cute he is so attentive trying to see what i'm doing with it LOL but sometimes dogs need a distraction and if it does the trick i say go for it but no i don't beleive you should hit(Beat) your animals. and V i'd be right there with you if i seen someone beat an animal. this is such a touchy subject i hate to even comment on it for fear i will be taken wrong but i know that those of you who know me or have seen my posts know i love my baby and i love YT so i have faith that you all will know what i mean when i say i tap his nose. |
I don't think the question is whether or not spanking works. The question is: WHY SPANK? Spanking, more often than not, does work. I won't argue that. {With one exception: housetraining. Spank a dog for eliminating in the house and what often happens is that the dog still eliminates in the house, but he is careful to hide from you when he is doing it.} BUT, the same lessons can be taught using positive methods. There is absolutely no need to spank. |
When you think about it people are more obedient in countries that are ruled by dictators, when there is always the threat of a violent punishment lurking about their lives. Now, consider the country we all live in. We are ruled too, but its not quite the same, is it? Who is happier? Because in the end I think it is our responsibility to make our pets' lives the happiest it can be. We all get one life. Why make it painful for another poor soul? |
First of all I would NEVER hit an animal! Especially a yorkie...they are too small! This is only going to make him timid and probably snappy. A stern NO or STOP will eventually do the trick. I had a dog trainer tell me (Sadie was an older pup and snapped at me) to pick her up, look her straight in the eye and shout "NO! DON'T DO THAT TO ME!" Then put her down and walk away...give her no attention. And, STICKING HIS NOSE IN AN ACCIDENT!! YUCK! Unless you actually catch him in the act he isn't even going to remember what he did..This could also promote eating his stools...then you will have another problem.. Yorkies aren't the easiest breed to house train..I'm sure we all know that but, If he is going, and you catch him in the act, tell him bad and bring him to where you want him to go...If he finishes tell him good boy and give him a treat...Maybe this will work. |
For housetraining purposes spanking is a BAD idea. The dogs can't relate them peeing on your carpet to you spanking them. It just makes them have negative feels towards you. For behavioral reasons, my vet said it's ok to give them a little tap under their chin that suprises them if they are biting. Another yt-er posted on here on another thread that for barking purposes she'll kind of pick up her dog by the harness and give him a little shake like his mother might have done. That being said, my dog doesn't respond to any of this. It just makes him angry.. not sad or cowering, straight up MAD. So we don't do it. We will raise our voices at him though or walk away from him and that seems to do the trick. |
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I just don't agree with hitting of any kind. When was the last time anyone saw a mother dog hit her puppy for doing something wrong...or rub their nose in their own potty? It doesn't happen! As for rubbing an animal's nose in their accident...that's just humiliating and gross and probably done more out of frustration than dicipline. Hitting and rubbing their nose in 'it' are old school ways, they were done before people really knew what to do, things are different now...there are better ways to earn the love, trust and good behavior of your pet. |
I do not agree with rubing their noses in thier own waste. When they use the bathroom where they aren't supposed to, they are not doing it on purpose to upset you. They don't kow any better. In essence it's the same as rubbing a childs face in his own urine because he wet the bed:thumbdown :mad: :thumbdown :mad: . I don't know, maybe I just don't have it in me to humiliate or beat a 5 pound dog |
I could never spank my yorkie, and I don't think it's good to spank such a small dog. I feel the same about children. There are other ways to let them know they have done something wrong. I think just using a stern voice will teach them. |
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Ok until recently, I agree, no spanking. Chloe is extremely sensitive and wants to please me. A stern, Mom is not happy, "don't you think about doing this again" is enough.... Now Sissy is with us for about a month and a half now. She could care if or how happy I am. When I correct her, she ignores me, seems to smile and goes about her business. It is kind of funny to see her "attitude" but it is getting old when it comes to the things she does. I tried stern, I tried removing her and placing her in an empty crate (not the one she sleeps in), I tried leaving her inside the playpen and taking Chloe out of the room with me. She is ignorant of anyone's else's feelings. I know she is young, but so was Chloe a year ago. (Chloe showed she cared - Sissy does not) A funny thing she does but not fair to Chloe. She waits until I get home, she doesn't want the PP pad inside her playpen to be soiled (good right?) She proceeds into Chloe's open playpen and does her business in there! Nothing phases Sissy. She plays with most of the toys & doggie belongings, but her attitude says "What's mine is mine and what's Chloe's is mine too!" I know you may think I am exaggerating BUT this is 100% true. She will bark & bark and attack Chloe if Chloe relaxes playing with something or chewing on her bone... What is this a new bread of dog called "The Yorkshire Terrorist" I don't mind the pp pad thing, I don't even mind most of her things to do but the attacking Chloe if she wants to use some of her own property or the attacking me if I don't allow her on my lap while eating, that's got to go sooooon! Yesterday I put her in her daytime playpen while I ate dinner, in the middle of my dinner I was on line ordering extra panels to put a cover on her playpen! Want to guess why?:eek: I started telling Chloe, "OK Chloe go get it" when Sissy takes her stuff, my next step may be spanking with 2 fingers of course! Chloe's personality is to sit back and please everyone, even our Baby Sister:angel: |
my mistake I should have said "Happily attacking" she is not agressive by any means, she just plain out doesn't care, I tell her no lap while eating, she smiles and wags her tail and jumps up anyway, I put her down, she jumps back up fast enough to grab something off my plate... That was what I meant by attacking, poor choice of words.:confused: |
I have a newspaper that they are scared of. I just show that to them and they know they are in trouble. I never have to say a word. I'm not sure how they got so scared of it, but they are. So it works for me. I wouldnt be able to hit my babies either. They are too sweet and precious to do that. No matter how mad I am at em. |
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I think I read that anyone can die from being shaken too much, well hard enough depending on the persons size. I think being shooken is being worse then being smacked, but just my opinion. |
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Dogs, like other animals (including humans) do what works for them. Taking Chloe's toys works - she gets extra toys. Taking each other's toys, BTW, is very normal dog behavior. She repeatedly hops up into your lap because it pays - if she keeps doing it long enough, she'll eventually be able to snatch a bite of food. As far as the pee pad, I wouldn't care which pad she uses as long as she uses one. I also wouldn't worry about her taking Chloe's toys. If Chloe gets fed up enough, she'll stand up to her. You said Sissy is young. If she's still a puppy, Chloe is still giving her what many call a "puppy license". I expect you'll find that she'll loose that license when she gets older. If you really feel sorry for Chloe, then separate them when you want Chloe to have some alone-time with her toys. As for jumping up in your lap at mealtime, here's what worked for us. I taught Joey to do a down-stay on his "blankie" during mealtimes. I did this by first teaching him a "go to your blankie" command. I then used his "stay" command where he gradually has to stay longer and longer on the blankie. His reward is always given while on the blankie so that getting up isn't reinforced. I spent many mealtimes tossing his a piece of kibble (never human food from the table) when he was quietly lying on his blankie, gradually making him wait longer and longer for his reward. Often, you can teach an alternate, incompatible behavior to stop unacceptable behavior. No 2 finger spanking required! :D |
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AND Yes I agree BUT I still have seen first hand what works changing "that unacceptable behavior" is different for each dogs personality. SInce I am a new dog owner and never suggested I was a perfect furbee mom, I am simply surprised that what worked with CHloe did NOT work with Sissy. As for the 2 finger spanking that I originally was joking about. I did it this morning, I don't think I am wrong. She was sitting with leash and collar on, on my front porch. Chloe was sitting with us (no leash) Sissy ran off the porch after our mail lady's truck. I did give her a 2 finger spanking when we got back to the porch. That was dangerous, she could have gotten hit by the truck and I placed her inside the screen door and no cookie from the maillady for her today. I will go and buy a harness for her today and hope to never have her run so fast into the street again. I thank you for your input, but I think it some instances you totally misinterpeted what I typed. You sound very much experienced at training your yorkie then I am but I did take 2 training classes, I am doing the best I can, I spend many hours daily on their brushing, training and bonding but I am still so surprised at how different there personalities are. Do all your yorkies have similar personalities? Are they all able to train easily? Did they all train with the same exact methods? I am interested in knowing if only my 2 are so opposite in personalities.:) |
Pattie, I'm sorry that my post offended you. None was intended. :embarasse I certainly agree with you that they all have different personalities! |
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