this is where I went to find a breeder. You just type in your zip code. I didn't know your zip, Orlando has many, so I put in 32808, but you can change it


http://www.breeders.net/find.php?bre...2808&country=2

I think that you should get the puppy at the pet store,i have some friends in America that have always got puppies from the pet strores.Ok so sometimes the puppy may get ill,or have something wrong with it,but 99% of the time the puppy will be fine.I have had puppies from breeders that haven't had 100% good health! I do not support puppy farming,but just think,if you dont buy that little baby,where will it end up? that puppy deserves to have a loving home, and be cared for not to end up as a breeding machine.All yorkies are gorgeous and loveable no matter wether it came from a breeder or a pet store.And it doesnt matter wether they are the correct colour,height or size they all need loving homes in this harsh world!

Unfortunately, you can raise the same questions about breeders. Surely a dog with champion bloodlines is worth far more than one that's not. Who's to say that even the most reputable breeders don't get hard up for cash sometimes and fudge the paper work on who the father actually was? I've noticed that a lot the breeders with web pages have multiple males, how do they even really know who the father is 100% certainty? And even the most current testing isn't 100% accurate, and that's provided that they've even tested the breeding dogs for everything under the sun, which is questionable since I had been emailing with one lady in my area that was expecting pups, when I asked if there was anyway we could see the paperwork on when the tests had been done and which dogs had been tested? She stopped answering my emails. If I'm paying $1,600 (as was the case with her puppies, at least she named a straight-forward price, I'll give her that) for a dog, I think I should be able to see something from her vet that says these dogs have been tested for this, this and this...am I wrong?

My point is this: You are truly taking a chance with anyone; private breeder or pet store. All you have is their word. Take it or leave it. I know what I may be getting into, I've researched the breed for going on four months now and I've been actively looking for a puppy for two months. Further more, my question wasn't about "Should I or should I not buy this dog from a pet store?" it was about a training question! :mad:

Thanks for the input on the training issue and the support from those who gave it.

I believe that it is more important to know the breeder than it is to know the dog. A reputable breeder will stand behind their dogs, and will not be breeding dogs with known problems. Those that sell to pet stores do not care if the dog's ancestors have a history of problems, because they never have to deal with the person who buys the dog. That is why they end up in the pet stores. A dog that gets sick is one thing but a dog with a congenital problem is another. You could end up with thousands of dollars in vet bills and then end up having to put the dog down anyway.

Your laws may be different than ours, but here in the states there are a lot of puppy mills, and breeders who will breed any dog even dogs with known hereditary faults. They just don't care, so one has to be cautious, and knowing and meeting the breeder is dfthe first step.

The majority of your research should be in researching the breeder, and if they don't answer your questions, as you mentioned, then move on, like you did. Just because they are private breeders does not mean they are reputable. You need to ask the questions, a reputable breeder will welcome them, and they will also want to know about you. they don't sell to just anybody who can come up with the cash. They want to know that thier bAies are going to good homes. A pet store, just wants the money, they don't care where the pupopy came from or where it is going to.

And ALL reputable breeders know who the sire is even if they have several males. And they NEVER breed dogs with a histoy of problems, so although there is not guarantee that your puppy won't have problems, the chances of it happening ar a lot less.

Read some of the heartbreaking stories on here from people who have bought from pet stores and puppy mills. A simple training problem would have been the least of their worries.

I think you would be able t train a pet store dog. One that is a bit older may in fact be quicker to train and able to hold it's bladder a little longer. I have a pet store pom (not a chain but independent) and all of my Yorkies (4) have been from breeders. All of my Yorkies have had multiple illness my Pom was by far the healthiest but not the best temperment. Just my experience, not an opinion on pet stores vs breeders. Trust your instincts only you can make the decision that is best for you.

Provided the dogs I am interested in are still there next week, we'll be driving down to see them in person before buying them. At 5 months, I think that if she were going to get sick, she would have by now (that's not saying that we will for go the vet visit before our three days is up) and it should be noticable to some degree and we'll play with the dogs and figure out what we want to do from there.

No, wait, before anyone suggests it, I've been on YTCA.org and Breeders.net. IF they have dogs available, they either do not have females or want between $2,800 and $3,500. :eek: (Tell me they don't just want the money!) We will check our local paper, but as with the last 7 weeks, I'm sure the females will have already been taken (and we're not really interested in having everything in the world peed on by a male).

(I DID email a private breeder off of breeders.net that has a female listed as born on Nov. 16th of 2006...I'm assuming he meant 2005? But the same question still goes; she's 5 months old, if they haven't been working with her to house train her for whatever reason, will she EVER be house trained? I'm going to be home 24/7 and I own beagles - anyone that knows anything about them knows that there's a picture of one next to word "Stubborn" in the dictionary...I'm not afraid of a challenge; I just don't want to kill myself working on a hopeless cause, you know?)

Oh i see your point,as we arent allowed to sell puppies in pet shops in England i dont know much about it,i just feel so sorry for all those little babies in the pet stores,i would just want to take them all home,ill or not,(which i know is silly as it wouldnt do my bank balance much good) but i always think beter to have loved and lost than to never of loved at all,poor little angels

Okay, so here's a serious question then, if it's a bad idea for me to buy these dogs and a bad idea for anyone really, what do those who live in these perfect little worlds where the "A+" female and the "B" male dogs living under the same roof and running around together NEVER have a chance encounter that leads to puppies, suppose we do with these dogs that are already here and breathing? Put them to sleep simply because they didn't come from a donating member on here? Let people who have no clue what they could be getting themselves into buy them and then have them wind up at the pound? Honestly, let's say "Wizard of Claws" closed their doors tomorrow and called you on the phone, since they heard that everyone here knows what's best for everyone else, and asked you what they should do with the remaining puppies, what would tell them?

Then there's the fact that if you stop and think about it, they're not making money on the older dogs that I'm interested in anyway, so it's not really supporting them. - Say they bought them when they were 12 wks old (admitedly, they were probably younger than that, but just for estimation here...) for $300 a each, add on to that they have to be up-to-date on shots per Florida law so at least one round of shots, the food that it takes to feed that dog for two more months, the employees they have to pay to clean up after the dog and take the pictures that you see on their web site, everything from the water they wash out kennels with to lights in their shop, rent for their store, ect and break that down for each dog, for each day that it's spent there... More than likely, they're taking a loss on the older dogs.

And did I really see someone advise me not to buy one because I wouldn't be able to carry it around in my purse if it was less than out-going? :eek: Paris IS taking over the world. God save the Queen!

Im with you on this one,if you post on here,people are always going to have different opinions,just do what you want to do,(im not sure how a poty training question turned into a pet store debate) im sure the potty training will go fine.Good Luck

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I have a friend who breeds and keeps the pups all over the house like her own. They are born and cared for in a baby crib and she is the most lovable person with those babies. If interested call her at 305 233-7722 Joni). She lives in Miami, I have bred my male with two of her females and she sells them very quickly but she interviews and checks out the buyers before she lets the puppies go.

APenichet, If you have your heart set on one of these dogs, then by all means buy it, and we will welcome you and your baby here on YT. We will even grieve with you, should something happen and it needs exensive vet care or worse.

For the most part this is a very nice group of people here, And many have bought their puppies from puppy mills and pet stores. I was just giving you some issues to think about.

1 you don't know the history of the dog
2 you have no idea where it came from
3 you don't even know if they are giving you the right paper work for the dog.

As long as you are aware of these things And you have no problem with it, then at least you're not going into it blind.

As for the house training issue, I commented on that in my very first post. Dogs do not choose to go outside on their own, they go out because we insist on it and they choose to please us. So unless the dog is totally stupid, or unless it is in the habit of pottying all over the house, you should be able to train it.

But be aware, Yorkies are famous for being difficult to train, (they are much better at training, than being trained) so if you're not a patient, laid back person a yorkie might not be your best choice.

I love my yorkies so much, I would love them if they were never trained and I had to tear out all of my carpet and put tile in every room.

You might want to talk to these people before you go down the path you are thinking about.

http://stopwizardofclaws.com/


Here are many discussions about Wizard of Claws.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sea...earchid=518716

The original question was asked, and I probably should have elaborated on it more, because pet shop dogs are quite used to stepping in, sitting in, maybe even wearing their own "mess", especially after being in those conditions for 2+ months...therefore, they kind of come home "trained" that that's okay.

To quote the Yorkshire Terrier book that I'm currently reading, "Dogs are, by nature, clean animals and will not remain close to their relief areas unless forced to do so. In those cases, they then become dirty dogs and usually remain that way for life."

That was my concern. I'm familar with Wizard of Claws and that they don't exactly have a loyal fan base; neither does Just Puppies, but that's where we found our first beagle and she has always been in perfect health. EVERY retailer that has been open for more than a week has ex-customers with bad experiences. *cough*SPRAWL-MART*cough, cough* But if every, single experience was purely a bad one? You wouldn't have to create web sites warning people, they would have gone out of business long ago and without our help. (If people can afford to fork over $3,500 for a dog without batting an eyelash, I doubt they'd have a problem finding the money to hire a lawyer if something happens to that puppy.) We all have to make our own choices - I refuse to set foot inside of that certain mass retailer and would rather support Wizard of Claws than a dog rescue. Those are my choices. I make them as informed as possible and do not take the purchase of our newest, and last for many years to come, family member lightly.

I appreciate the concern, but I really would have thought that after I explained that I knew the risks that were a associated with buying a puppy (Period. Pet store or any form of breeder, only they know the truth about that dog.), this would have let up and we could have gotten back to the actual question this was started for. :cool:

On a slightly related note, we may have found a girl :aimeeyork in our area, in our price range, and from a breeder that appears to care about his dogs; complete with references and three-year health warranty. The only fishy part about him is that he claims to have already started working with the dogs on housebreaking. They're presently 8 weeks old. :confused: Hmm...yeaaaahhhh...maybe they ARE trying, but I don't know how much it's going to work. And if that's the worst fib I have to worry about from him? I think I can deal with it. And, if all else fails, Dorothy's been on Wizard of Claws since I started searching, I doubt someone will decide to take her home anytime soon, unfortunately.

That sounds really, really dangerous for such tiny puppies and more for show than anything else... :(

Also, I understand the point of breeders interviewing with potential buyers and such, but really? How well do you know someone just by talking to them for 15 or 20 minutes? They might seen like a nice enough people, but that\'s what people said about Ted Bundy... I\'m not suggesting that they stop, but everything\'s a risk; unless you know them personally, you don\'t know that these people aren\'t just telling you what they know you want to hear.

More over, any BYB\'s reading this site would know that purchasers want to be asked questions to make them feel like they\'re a good breeder and are in it for something other than money. In the end, it\'s all just a leap of faith and you either get lucky or end up with a pile of vet bills. You take your chances no matter what. *shrug* But that\'s just the way I look at it.