Trouble w/temper on my lola girl! HELP! - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Cpdwife15 · 08-05-2010, 08:13 AM

We are from Ohio, and I have a yorkie female..lola girl is 9.5 mos old ...w/papers and shes loving but does not like my female japanese chin...and I am so upset on what to do... Someone said in the forum before for me to go looking for a mate ..for her a male. She loves people just hates other female dogs Im not understanding this!
This is really upsetting the entire household. I have had her in a crate since she came to live with us in May. I cannot understand what to do at this point ...the lady that I adopte dher from was the originally mommy to her she did state to me that lola would argue and boss around her other beagles...but? I never thought this bad! never! Ive never had a doggy do this ever...My other two furbabies are s**tzu/peek ( GIZMO) and Japanese chin( baby girl) Lola is the pure bred yorkie and she is just insane! Then shes so loving when alone...she is perfectly fine w/Gizmo. Thats my boy.
I dont get this please if anyone can help.

No she is not fixed fyi. And I have contemplated to do so. Not sure if I wanted to since a couple family members have male yorkies and wanted to see when lola was old enough if she was interested in being a mommy too.
We are so upset Omg I cant stress it enough

Deuce · 08-05-2010, 09:56 AM

how do you act when in the room with both girls? It may help to have her fixed, and since breeding should be left to the pro's, I would recommend it in this case. This way, even if it doesn't work you would know that if you chose to re-home her to a place where she can be the only female around, you wouldn't have to worry about some non-breeder trying it out "because they were curious" or whatever the reasons people breed for that aren't specialists in the particular breeds. Well thats my 2 cents, good luck, I'm sure others will have inputs for 2 dogs not getting along well...

Cpdwife15 · 08-05-2010, 10:08 AM

Thank you for your post. I should've foot noted that our family is not pro status but we do know and have a good vet also have breeding exp. I should've said that but I myself never have made"babies" with my furbabies! LOL.

When in the room? we are usually as we always are the same as visiting the lady we adopted her from. Casually calm and just ourselves talk dont yell. We have two children and they are civilized lol. We are very private laid back family and we live out in the rural area so they have a huge yard.
My doggies are always with us. I was afraid by the way the lady said she wa hyper but wow............this is vindictively insane the way she bites on my other female and acts as if they are in a cock fight!

Deuce · 08-05-2010, 10:16 AM

So when she goes after the female it's actual aggression, not just over active hyper puppy-ness? She's only 9.5 months old, so I can't imagine a pup that age being aggressive, but then again, I only dealt with this once, and it was when I was a kid. Our family had a shistsu mix for a long time, then we brought in a rotty, the rotty started getting aggressive towards the little one, we tried to make them be friends...then one day we let them out and the rotty attacked the little one. She needed 14 stitches, and we re-homed her because we decided it would be much easier to place her then a rottweiler. So I'm really not sure how to help you, I really think that a spay might help, it's at least worth a shot, it may work the same way neutering a male does. Kind of takes away that territorial, everything here is mine and I'm the alpha dog around here, sort of thing.

Cpdwife15 · 08-05-2010, 10:46 AM

thank you again for your response....Im very upset thinking about this. Ive crated her most of this past weekend because of her ( lola's aggression!) I mean its as if she has anger management issues or something. Yes sort of like your issue with the rott/s**tzu deal. I mean this is a tiny pup 9.5mos old lola @3lbs ---twds Baby girl which is 4 yrs old and shes 15lbs. I mean??? Yes I think its that dominance thing but wow theres just no reason because Baby girl is so calm and just goes with the flow of things.
She will bark at the mailwoman and others she doesnt know but thats norm, Not what lola is doing biting someones head off and almost drawing blood!
My husband never gets close enough emotions wise to pets so he didnt wanna try to fix her. He wanted to adopt her back out I said thats not fair.
And right to a pup they are part of the family now I cant do that.

Maximo · 08-05-2010, 01:32 PM

Cpdwife: Temperament is one of the major considerations when choosing whether or not to breed a dog. I strongly suggest having this girl spayed. If you breed her, you will likely have much bigger problems on your hands.

Crating the dog could be adding to her frustrations, making her more aggressive.

Considering her history with her previous owner, this dog may be better off in a home where she is the only dog. Consult your vet, a trainer, or a local rescue rep.

gemy · 08-05-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cpdwife15

thank you again for your response....Im very upset thinking about this. Ive crated her most of this past weekend because of her ( lola's aggression!) I mean its as if she has anger management issues or something. Yes sort of like your issue with the rott/s**tzu deal. I mean this is a tiny pup 9.5mos old lola @3lbs ---twds Baby girl which is 4 yrs old and shes 15lbs. I mean??? Yes I think its that dominance thing but wow theres just no reason because Baby girl is so calm and just goes with the flow of things.
She will bark at the mailwoman and others she doesnt know but thats norm, Not what lola is doing biting someones head off and almost drawing blood!
My husband never gets close enough emotions wise to pets so he didnt wanna try to fix her. He wanted to adopt her back out I said thats not fair.
And right to a pup they are part of the family now I cant do that.

This is a difficult situation all around. Is your Yorkie Lola the only unneutered dog in the household?

At 9.5 months old your Yorkie while still a pup is approaching her first heat, and growing up a bit.

Female to Female aggression can happen and when it does can be very hard to correct, or to manage. They are called "bitches" with some reason

The fact that your Yorkie is okay with the male maybe indicative of a dog that is not aggressive to all dogs, but maybe to the female species. She may also be approaching her first heat and with that and being in a new home is "unsettled".

There are some things you can try. Get her out with you for good active walks, tire her out. Then have your hubby or your girlfriend, walk the two females, each person has a female. Immediately correct any aggression of Lola's to the other female. Then walk on. Treat reward for good behaviour on Lolas part as well as your other female.

In terms of breeding. Until you research the whole topic of Yorkie breeding and there are threads in the Yorkie Talk Library as a starting point for your research, it's too premature to even consider this. You will also need a good mentor, Yorkies are toy breeds, who need help with whelping, and have some serious health concerns, which you will have to research the lines of both dogs, do the preliminary health screening for, etc. It is a very serious commitment and responsibility to breed good healthy yorkies. representative to the standard, with the Correct Temperament.

And for all breeds a very broad rule of thumb is DO NOT BREED a dog with an unstable/and or aggressive temperament.

Finally if you are unable to correct this aggressive behaviour within two -three weeks, then contact an animal behaviourist/trainer in your area.

As a last note, sometimes despite the best efforts of training, behaviour modification two females will not get along, particularly if they are two unneutered females.

I hope this has helped

Cpdwife15 · 08-05-2010, 04:15 PM

Thank you to the both of you ...

I already take her for walks.
I already spoke to our vet about this situation ...same advice was given w/regards to age /temperment and experience w/the breeding and needing constant vet attn due to size of breed.
Our family have extensive background in yorkies and thank you for all your continuous advice. I have already decided not to breed her anyhow because of her size and I feel its not fair to her if she has anger management problems and until that is resolved well thats more important her health than breeding her anyhow

she is a part of our family first and foremost

I will see when to schedule her for the fixing and well yes she is in heat. I groom her every day and bath her once a week and I noticed while trimming her underneath she had some discharge...so yep she is in bitch phase I.

AddieandMiaMom · 08-06-2010, 06:08 PM

Glad to hear you'll have her spayed. If she's in heat, I hope your boy is neutered. If not, you need to keep them completely separated by walls and doors. Gates and crates will not work. Good luck!

Cpdwife15 · 08-06-2010, 06:53 PM

Oh heck ya he was checked and fixed before he was 9mos old by the breeder we bought he from

that was 7 years ago

lillymae · 08-07-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximo

Cpdwife: Temperament is one of the major considerations when choosing whether or not to breed a dog. I strongly suggest having this girl spayed. If you breed her, you will likely have much bigger problems on your hands.

Crating the dog could be adding to her frustrations, making her more aggressive.

Considering her history with her previous owner, this dog may be better off in a home where she is the only dog. Consult your vet, a trainer, or a local rescue rep.

Great post !

Cpdwife15 · 08-07-2010, 01:50 PM

Thanks for stating that was a great posting. Although I agreed too myself.
I would never place the health or security of the actual doggy in place of want ( pups from the mom) period. Im not selfish or immature to do so.

Otherwise we have decided to have her fixed this month and go from there with her and see how she is doing. Today she did not act up or /act out at all! She's been a perfect lil lola

Ringo1 · 08-08-2010, 06:34 AM

Maybe baby gates could be used to keep the girls separated at times? Let your yorkie play with the male, whom she gets along with, and rotate the females in and out until you can get a handle on this.

My male Westie ONLY gets along with females; he is very territorial with any other male so we knew our second dog had to be female. Even then, it took some effort on our part to facilitate their relationship.

When Ringo got jealous of Lucy (he didn't like her on my lap or on the furniture at first); he got to spend some time alone in another room if he showed aggression to her. He figured it out real quickly ~ as long as everyone is playing and getting along, we all get to be together. If he got out of hand - he went into another room. I didn't use his crate much for punishment.

Same with Lucy; she can be all over Ringo trying to bite his paws, etc when she is feeling frisky. Then she might get to spend some time in the living room while Ringo gets some extra human attention.

It took us about a month to get everyone settled down. Now they are fine; sleep together on the same bed; but they occasionally will squabble over high value bones, etc. We feed them separately and walk them together often.

Best of luck.

benneb01 · 08-25-2010, 04:25 PM

I am also having problems with my 1 1/2 year old male Yorkie. He has some serious aggression toward our neighbors Maltese male puppy. When the puppy was 8 weeks, it jumped on Frankie's (yorkie) head. Frankie aggressively snipped at the puppy. The neighbor also has a female yorkie that is 4 years old (mother in law's dog) who snipped at the Maltese during this time. Since then my Frankie's heart beats very fast, he paces, barks and basically goes crazy when the Maltese is outside. The neighbors 4 year old female Yorkie is fine with the Maltese now. My Frankie loves other dogs including the female yorkie neighbor and several other dogs but is difficult to control when the Maltese is around. What can I do???? Thanks for any advice.

MillisMomma · 08-26-2010, 05:44 AM

I would agree with what Ringo1 said about trying to use a baby gate to physically separate the two little girlies while they get to know each other better. Keeping Lola in a crate while your other little one is free to roam could be causing jealousy.

When we brought Milli home, we were afraid of how Skye would react to her and whether she might hurt little Milli. So, we put up a baby gate and allowed to two puppies about a month or so of daily interaction through the gate. They went from sniffing to barking and chewing and then on to playing and teasing each other. By the time we allowed them to have physical contact, they were best buds.

One thing we've noticed with Milli is that she's MUCH more vocal and 'ferocious' sounding than Skye is during their play. (Which says alot since Skye is a pit bull/german shepherd mix!!!) If we weren't watching very closely, we'd assume that Milli was doing everything in her power to kill Skye...but she's just using her 'aggressive voice' during play.

I hope that Lola is all calm and happy now and that everything is going great!

08-05-2010, 08:13 AM	#1
Cpdwife15 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cleveland Posts: 40	Trouble w/temper on my lola girl! HELP! We are from Ohio, and I have a yorkie female..lola girl is 9.5 mos old ...w/papers and shes loving but does not like my female japanese chin...and I am so upset on what to do... Someone said in the forum before for me to go looking for a mate ..for her a male. She loves people just hates other female dogs Im not understanding this! This is really upsetting the entire household. I have had her in a crate since she came to live with us in May. I cannot understand what to do at this point ...the lady that I adopte dher from was the originally mommy to her she did state to me that lola would argue and boss around her other beagles...but? I never thought this bad! never! Ive never had a doggy do this ever...My other two furbabies are s*tzu/peek ( GIZMO) and Japanese chin( baby girl) Lola is the pure bred yorkie and she is just insane! Then shes so loving when alone...she is perfectly fine w/Gizmo. Thats my boy. I dont get this please if anyone can help. No she is not fixed fyi. And I have contemplated to do so. Not sure if I wanted to since a couple family members have male yorkies and wanted to see when lola was old enough if she was interested in being a mommy too. We are so upset Omg I cant stress it enough __________________ Mommy to LolaGirl~ BabyGirl ~Gizmo!* Last edited by Cpdwife15; 08-05-2010 at 08:15 AM.

08-05-2010, 10:08 AM	#3
Cpdwife15 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cleveland Posts: 40	Thank you for your post. I should've foot noted that our family is not pro status but we do know and have a good vet also have breeding exp. I should've said that but I myself never have made"babies" with my furbabies! LOL. When in the room? we are usually as we always are the same as visiting the lady we adopted her from. Casually calm and just ourselves talk dont yell. We have two children and they are civilized lol. We are very private laid back family and we live out in the rural area so they have a huge yard. My doggies are always with us. I was afraid by the way the lady said she wa hyper but wow............this is vindictively insane the way she bites on my other female and acts as if they are in a cock fight! __________________ Mommy to LolaGirl~ BabyGirl ~Gizmo!

08-05-2010, 10:46 AM	#5
Cpdwife15 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cleveland Posts: 40	thank you again for your response....Im very upset thinking about this. Ive crated her most of this past weekend because of her ( lola's aggression!) I mean its as if she has anger management issues or something. Yes sort of like your issue with the rott/s*tzu deal. I mean this is a tiny pup 9.5mos old lola @3lbs ---twds Baby girl which is 4 yrs old and shes 15lbs. I mean??? Yes I think its that dominance thing but wow theres just no reason because Baby girl is so calm and just goes with the flow of things. She will bark at the mailwoman and others she doesnt know but thats norm, Not what lola is doing biting someones head off and almost drawing blood! My husband never gets close enough emotions wise to pets so he didnt wanna try to fix her. He wanted to adopt her back out I said thats not fair. And right to a pup they are part of the family now I cant do that. __________________ Mommy to LolaGirl~ BabyGirl ~Gizmo!*

08-05-2010, 04:15 PM	#8
Cpdwife15 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cleveland Posts: 40	Thank you to the both of you ... I already take her for walks. I already spoke to our vet about this situation ...same advice was given w/regards to age /temperment and experience w/the breeding and needing constant vet attn due to size of breed. Our family have extensive background in yorkies and thank you for all your continuous advice. I have already decided not to breed her anyhow because of her size and I feel its not fair to her if she has anger management problems and until that is resolved well thats more important her health than breeding her anyhow she is a part of our family first and foremost I will see when to schedule her for the fixing and well yes she is in heat. I groom her every day and bath her once a week and I noticed while trimming her underneath she had some discharge...so yep she is in bitch phase I. __________________ Mommy to LolaGirl~ BabyGirl ~Gizmo!

08-06-2010, 06:08 PM	#9
AddieandMiaMom YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 303	Glad to hear you'll have her spayed. If she's in heat, I hope your boy is neutered. If not, you need to keep them completely separated by walls and doors. Gates and crates will not work. Good luck! __________________ Mommy to Addie, Dany, Mia, and Pickles R.I.P Miss Mis (Missy) 06.25.08 - Heaven just wouldn't be Heaven if you weren't there to greet me.

08-05-2010, 09:56 AM	#2
Deuce No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,717 Blog Entries: 1	how do you act when in the room with both girls? It may help to have her fixed, and since breeding should be left to the pro's, I would recommend it in this case. This way, even if it doesn't work you would know that if you chose to re-home her to a place where she can be the only female around, you wouldn't have to worry about some non-breeder trying it out "because they were curious" or whatever the reasons people breed for that aren't specialists in the particular breeds. Well thats my 2 cents, good luck, I'm sure others will have inputs for 2 dogs not getting along well...

08-05-2010, 10:16 AM	#4
Deuce No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,717 Blog Entries: 1	So when she goes after the female it's actual aggression, not just over active hyper puppy-ness? She's only 9.5 months old, so I can't imagine a pup that age being aggressive, but then again, I only dealt with this once, and it was when I was a kid. Our family had a shistsu mix for a long time, then we brought in a rotty, the rotty started getting aggressive towards the little one, we tried to make them be friends...then one day we let them out and the rotty attacked the little one. She needed 14 stitches, and we re-homed her because we decided it would be much easier to place her then a rottweiler. So I'm really not sure how to help you, I really think that a spay might help, it's at least worth a shot, it may work the same way neutering a male does. Kind of takes away that territorial, everything here is mine and I'm the alpha dog around here, sort of thing.

08-05-2010, 01:32 PM	#6
Maximo ♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 25,041	Cpdwife: Temperament is one of the major considerations when choosing whether or not to breed a dog. I strongly suggest having this girl spayed. If you breed her, you will likely have much bigger problems on your hands. Crating the dog could be adding to her frustrations, making her more aggressive. Considering her history with her previous owner, this dog may be better off in a home where she is the only dog. Consult your vet, a trainer, or a local rescue rep.

08-06-2010, 06:53 PM	#10
Cpdwife15 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cleveland Posts: 40	Oh heck ya he was checked and fixed before he was 9mos old by the breeder we bought he from that was 7 years ago __________________ Mommy to LolaGirl~ BabyGirl ~Gizmo!

08-07-2010, 01:50 PM	#12
Cpdwife15 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cleveland Posts: 40	Thanks for stating that was a great posting. Although I agreed too myself. I would never place the health or security of the actual doggy in place of want ( pups from the mom) period. Im not selfish or immature to do so. Otherwise we have decided to have her fixed this month and go from there with her and see how she is doing. Today she did not act up or /act out at all! She's been a perfect lil lola __________________ Mommy to LolaGirl~ BabyGirl ~Gizmo!

08-08-2010, 06:34 AM	#13
Ringo1 Ringo (1) and Lucy too! Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the Edge of Glory Posts: 3,447	Maybe baby gates could be used to keep the girls separated at times? Let your yorkie play with the male, whom she gets along with, and rotate the females in and out until you can get a handle on this. My male Westie ONLY gets along with females; he is very territorial with any other male so we knew our second dog had to be female. Even then, it took some effort on our part to facilitate their relationship. When Ringo got jealous of Lucy (he didn't like her on my lap or on the furniture at first); he got to spend some time alone in another room if he showed aggression to her. He figured it out real quickly ~ as long as everyone is playing and getting along, we all get to be together. If he got out of hand - he went into another room. I didn't use his crate much for punishment. Same with Lucy; she can be all over Ringo trying to bite his paws, etc when she is feeling frisky. Then she might get to spend some time in the living room while Ringo gets some extra human attention. It took us about a month to get everyone settled down. Now they are fine; sleep together on the same bed; but they occasionally will squabble over high value bones, etc. We feed them separately and walk them together often. Best of luck. __________________ Mommy to Lucy, Ringo, and Matthew

08-25-2010, 04:25 PM	#14
benneb01 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 3	I am also having problems with my 1 1/2 year old male Yorkie. He has some serious aggression toward our neighbors Maltese male puppy. When the puppy was 8 weeks, it jumped on Frankie's (yorkie) head. Frankie aggressively snipped at the puppy. The neighbor also has a female yorkie that is 4 years old (mother in law's dog) who snipped at the Maltese during this time. Since then my Frankie's heart beats very fast, he paces, barks and basically goes crazy when the Maltese is outside. The neighbors 4 year old female Yorkie is fine with the Maltese now. My Frankie loves other dogs including the female yorkie neighbor and several other dogs but is difficult to control when the Maltese is around. What can I do???? Thanks for any advice.

08-26-2010, 05:44 AM	#15
MillisMomma Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 80	I would agree with what Ringo1 said about trying to use a baby gate to physically separate the two little girlies while they get to know each other better. Keeping Lola in a crate while your other little one is free to roam could be causing jealousy. When we brought Milli home, we were afraid of how Skye would react to her and whether she might hurt little Milli. So, we put up a baby gate and allowed to two puppies about a month or so of daily interaction through the gate. They went from sniffing to barking and chewing and then on to playing and teasing each other. By the time we allowed them to have physical contact, they were best buds. One thing we've noticed with Milli is that she's MUCH more vocal and 'ferocious' sounding than Skye is during their play. (Which says alot since Skye is a pit bull/german shepherd mix!!!) If we weren't watching very closely, we'd assume that Milli was doing everything in her power to kill Skye...but she's just using her 'aggressive voice' during play. I hope that Lola is all calm and happy now and that everything is going great!