New Agression? Over the holiday weekend Capone started showing some posession agression that I have NEVER seen from him. Normally if he has a toy and another dog comes along he will tug on it and play and try to get it back, but never growl or bark. My grandma has standard a poodle and she had a bone. As soon as Capone spotted the bone he wanted it and ran with it to a corner to chew on, which was fine, but soon as CoCo (poodle) even came near him he started growling and barking. If a person came to take it he didn't react that way, just with the dog. He isn't very fond of CoCo either she doesn't realize her size. I'm concerned because I'm so very close to bringing him home a little brother and I don't want this to be a problem. Should I be concerned? |
It may be it may not be. My Jewels will growl if she has a chewy or a toy and Chachi approaches. It is a game to her. She is totally submissive in personality |
Yeah, mine is about 6 months old and is starting to do humping motions and growl and shake the toy aggressively... this seems normal. Kinda like when you shout when punching a bag at the gym or grunt. He growls when I play tug toy with him and I actually growl, he mimics it back.. haha He will be neutered soon...i am leaving it until about 8-9 months as to not affect his personal development |
Yes, you should be concerned. She may not have done it with lower valued items like toys but the bone might be very high value to her and that's the reason for her reaction. Try playing the trading game with her and see how she responds. |
I know his play growl and this is definitely NOT play. I play with him and he growls when playing together, but this was something I had never seen him do. I mean his teeth were showing and his tail was not wagging and he was defending not playing. When I took the bone away he did not do that to me he just let me take it. How do I work on it if its only a problem with other dogs? |
This seems normal, as long as he is not deliberately starting a fight. If he lets you take the bone then he still views you as the pack leadeer, but not wanting to give it up to the other dogs seems pretty normal to me. |
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Nothing in Life is Free Dogs: Positive Reinforcement Training : The Humane Society of the United States |
My Rosie id just starting to exhibit a little possessiveness, particularly over me, doesn't want Alfie tp join us, or when my mom is eating, she wants it, he cant have it. She gets told no sternly and is put on the floor. With treats its more difficult as she wants him to chase her for it, will put it out of his reach- she's smaller- then while he's busy go steal his and then guard both. If it looks like its going to get out of hand then I remove the treat, they're both in a possition that they know not to challenge me. |
What about when the new dog comes home in a few weeks? I don't really know how to work on the behavior since it seems to be only with other dogs. |
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NILIF will help you establish that everything belongs to you and they(the dogs) are merely borrowing your possessions. Once your dog understands that have nothing without you first giving it to them they will less likely guard it since it's not really theirs. Also use the trading game to train her that giving up something is not a bad thing. You'll be surprised how much you can accomplish in a few weeks with NILIF. Most behavior problems go away just by implementing NILIF. |
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so is he just supposed to drop it and let the other dog have it? then what? What if he wants it back, then is the other dog supposed to drop it? Dogs have their own rules and their own pecking order. Even when they all know that you are the pack leader. No if the dog were ascually being agfressive towards the other dog that would be a problem. As for the new dog, you introduce them slowly and make sure they get along before you leave them alone together. if it is a puppy, there should not be any problems, because if the puppy is properly taught, it will know not to challenge another dog. JMHO |
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Milo was showing some food aggression a while back with his sister (my sisters dog) What we did was whenever he would growl at her I would pick up the food, toy or what ever the item was put him in a sit stay and give it to her and make him watch her play or eat the object of concern. After doing this a few times he learned to share with her I guess he figured out it was share and get half or not and get none. |
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Maybe it is the second dog that is actually making the challenge. For me as long as it is resolved with just a growl it is not an issue. |
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You are controlling the resource in this situation, it belongs to you. So your dog figured out he wasn't in charge and it was yours to give as you please. |
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Because both dogs are not trained in this situation. Growling is the last warning before biting. A dog that growls is a dog in need of leadership and training. |
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Why do you think he's growling then? In this situation he would have bit the other dog not you. |
I think if you read the links I posted about the NILF program you will understand what Westieboy is trying to say. The NILF program reprograms his mind to view you as the one in charge of the resources so he will not try to guard them. I would really urge you to work with him before the puppy arrives and continue to do so. You have a good reason to be concerned how about he will react to a puppy. The NNILF program is recommended by the Humane Society. It is very humane and effective. |
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Maybe someone else will have some other suggestions for you if you don't think NILF will work for you. |
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Capone, I'm not saying your dog is wild and totally untrained. What I'm suggesting is that your dog isn't trained to handle giving up something that is highly valuable to him. Maybe your dog hasn't bitten you over a bone he's trying to guard but don't be surprised if he does with something even more valuable to him. Who knows what that might be, hopefully nothing is ever that valuable to him. I seem to have offended you so I'll leave this thread and wish you the best of luck. |
I'm not offended by anything anyone has said, it just seems the information doesn't fit my situation. My main concern is bringing home a new puppy now. I would like other suggestions if anyone has any, thanks. |
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They have never growled at me. What I am saying is, that dogs in a pack are not always on the same level with each other. They all will be submissive to you, but not to each other. A less submissive dog will growl at a more submissive dog and the dog will walk away. If the more submissive dog walks up to the less submissive dog with the chewie, the less submissive will drop the chewie and walk away. If they are all very submissive dogs, they never challenge each other. But if you have two dominant dogs, you might have some fights. But normally one will back down and that is how they establish a pecking order. The point is unless they are fighting, it is best to let them work it out on their own, cause if you don't know what you are doing, you might read them wrong and correct the wrong one, and create a bigger problem. |
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That is what the growl is for. like saying I don't want to hurt you, so go away. If the puppy has been properly socialized by it's molther it will know the pack rules. Unlike people, mother dogs do not indulge their puppies by giving in to them, they teach them boundries and respect. |
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The second dog did not challenge him, if he had then it would have been the second dog that was causing the problem, not the one with the bone. The one with the bone gave the warning to the other, that he was overstepping his boundries and the other one said OK sorry and moved on. |
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now if the snarl and snap that is being aggressive |
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Thank you for this link, Laci has shown some food " treat " aggresion today towards another dog , It really disturbed me I dont like it at all , so starting tomorrow, I will be really inforcing the NILF plan. I hope it works, I know she is spoiled rotten and a only but this is one trait that I dont want to see in her AT ALL.... very upsetting and disturbing to me!! I hope this works.:thumbup::thumbup: |
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