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westieboy 12-28-2009 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2931168)
OK but then why is the other dog going toward the dog who has the bone? Shouldn't the other dog go and get a different one?

Maybe it is the second dog that is actually making the challenge. For me as long as it is resolved with just a growl it is not an issue.

Because both dogs are not trained in this situation. Growling is the last warning before biting. A dog that growls is a dog in need of leadership and training.

Love_Capone 12-28-2009 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by westieboy (Post 2931218)
Because both dogs are not trained in this situation. Growling is the last warning before biting. A dog that growls is a dog in need of leadership and training.
My dog is trained and knows that I am his leader. He has never growled at me with intentions to hurt me.

westieboy 12-28-2009 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_Capone (Post 2931262)
My dog is trained and knows that I am his leader. He has never growled at me with intentions to hurt me.

Why do you think he's growling then?

In this situation he would have bit the other dog not you.

Ladymom 12-28-2009 05:40 PM
I think if you read the links I posted about the NILF program you will understand what Westieboy is trying to say.

The NILF program reprograms his mind to view you as the one in charge of the resources so he will not try to guard them. I would really urge you to work with him before the puppy arrives and continue to do so. You have a good reason to be concerned how about he will react to a puppy.

The NNILF program is recommended by the Humane Society. It is very humane and effective.

Love_Capone 12-28-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2931335)
I think if you read the links I posted about the NILF program you will understand what Westieboy is trying to say.

The NILF program reprograms his mind to view you as the one in charge of the resources so he will not try to guard them. I would really urge you to work with him before the puppy arrives and continue to do so. You have a good reason to be concerned how about he will react to a puppy.

The NNILF program is recommended by the Humane Society. It is very humane and effective.
I read the links and he knows I am his leader. He does all the things listed like sit before he eats, sits before getting his collar, waits at the door until I tell him to go. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, I believe there is thats why I wrote the thread. But me not being his leader is not the issue. He knows his commands, when I told him to leave the bone and I took it he left it alone. Him being trained is not the issue, he doesn't act like a wild crazy dog. I have had him for almost a year and that was the very first time I had seen him act like that.

Ladymom 12-28-2009 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Love_Capone (Post 2931478)
I have had him for almost a year and that was the very first time I had seen him act like that.
Quite often aggression doesn't begin until they are about a year old.

Maybe someone else will have some other suggestions for you if you don't think NILF will work for you.

Love_Capone 12-28-2009 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2931487)
Quite often aggression doesn't begin until they are about a year old.

Maybe someone else will have some other suggestions for you if you don't think NILF will work for you.
Thanks Ladymom. I really would like to work on it before bringing a new puppy home. So if anyone has suggestions I would love to have them. Thanks.

westieboy 12-28-2009 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2931487)
Quite often aggression doesn't begin until they are about a year old.
Ladymom is quite right that aggression doesn't start until later on. Many owners don't realize that a dog's behavior can change rapidly when they start to mature.

Capone, I'm not saying your dog is wild and totally untrained. What I'm suggesting is that your dog isn't trained to handle giving up something that is highly valuable to him. Maybe your dog hasn't bitten you over a bone he's trying to guard but don't be surprised if he does with something even more valuable to him. Who knows what that might be, hopefully nothing is ever that valuable to him.

I seem to have offended you so I'll leave this thread and wish you the best of luck.

Love_Capone 12-28-2009 08:22 PM
I'm not offended by anything anyone has said, it just seems the information doesn't fit my situation. My main concern is bringing home a new puppy now. I would like other suggestions if anyone has any, thanks.

JeanieK 12-29-2009 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by westieboy (Post 2931218)
Because both dogs are not trained in this situation. Growling is the last warning before biting. A dog that growls is a dog in need of leadership and training.
Not always. Mine will growl at another one, but then take their chewie and go somewhere else.

They have never growled at me.

What I am saying is, that dogs in a pack are not always on the same level with each other. They all will be submissive to you, but not to each other.

A less submissive dog will growl at a more submissive dog and the dog will walk away. If the more submissive dog walks up to the less submissive dog with the chewie, the less submissive will drop the chewie and walk away.

If they are all very submissive dogs, they never challenge each other. But if you have two dominant dogs, you might have some fights. But normally one will back down and that is how they establish a pecking order.

The point is unless they are fighting, it is best to let them work it out on their own, cause if you don't know what you are doing, you might read them wrong and correct the wrong one, and create a bigger problem.

JeanieK 12-29-2009 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Love_Capone (Post 2931577)
I'm not offended by anything anyone has said, it just seems the information doesn't fit my situation. My main concern is bringing home a new puppy now. I would like other suggestions if anyone has any, thanks.
I do not think there will be a problem with a new puppy. the puppy will not challenge the older dog. And the older dog recognizes a puppy as a baby and might snap at it but will not hurt it. The puppy will quickly learn it's place.

That is what the growl is for. like saying I don't want to hurt you, so go away. If the puppy has been properly socialized by it's molther it will know the pack rules.

Unlike people, mother dogs do not indulge their puppies by giving in to them, they teach them boundries and respect.

JeanieK 12-29-2009 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Love_Capone (Post 2931478)
I read the links and he knows I am his leader. He does all the things listed like sit before he eats, sits before getting his collar, waits at the door until I tell him to go. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, I believe there is thats why I wrote the thread. But me not being his leader is not the issue. He knows his commands, when I told him to leave the bone and I took it he left it alone. Him being trained is not the issue, he doesn't act like a wild crazy dog. I have had him for almost a year and that was the very first time I had seen him act like that.
It sounds to me like the two dogs are just establishing boundries, and as long as the other one walked away, it may never happen again.


The second dog did not challenge him, if he had then it would have been the second dog that was causing the problem, not the one with the bone.

The one with the bone gave the warning to the other, that he was overstepping his boundries and the other one said OK sorry and moved on.

chachi 12-29-2009 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2932013)
Not always. Mine will growl at another one, but then take their chewie and go somewhere else.

They have never growled at me.

What I am saying is, that dogs in a pack are not always on the same level with each other. They all will be submissive to you, but not to each other.

A less submissive dog will growl at a more submissive dog and the dog will walk away. If the more submissive dog walks up to the less submissive dog with the chewie, the less submissive will drop the chewie and walk away.

If they are all very submissive dogs, they never challenge each other. But if you have two dominant dogs, you might have some fights. But normally one will back down and that is how they establish a pecking order.

The point is unless they are fighting, it is best to let them work it out on their own, cause if you don't know what you are doing, you might read them wrong and correct the wrong one, and create a bigger problem.
I agree! My Jewels will growl at my Chachi in those type of situations and she would never growl at me. She is also the most submissive dog ever and there isnt an aggressive bone in her body. Dogs growl to com,unicate to one another

JeanieK 12-29-2009 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2932048)
I agree! My Jewels will growl at my Chachi in those type of situations and she would never growl at me. She is also the most submissive dog ever and there isnt an aggressive bone in her body. Dogs growl to com,unicate to one another
Yes it is just a warning and the others respect it.

now if the snarl and snap that is being aggressive

jeanm1963 12-29-2009 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2931335)
I think if you read the links I posted about the NILF program you will understand what Westieboy is trying to say.

The NILF program reprograms his mind to view you as the one in charge of the resources so he will not try to guard them. I would really urge you to work with him before the puppy arrives and continue to do so. You have a good reason to be concerned how about he will react to a puppy.

The NNILF program is recommended by the Humane Society. It is very humane and effective.

Thank you for this link, Laci has shown some food " treat " aggresion today towards another dog , It really disturbed me I dont like it at all , so starting tomorrow, I will be really inforcing the NILF plan. I hope it works, I know she is spoiled rotten and a only but this is one trait that I dont want to see in her AT ALL.... very upsetting and disturbing to me!! I hope this works.:thumbup::thumbup:


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