It's REALLLY BAD
 

Ok folks...is it possible to get a dog who is untrainable?
We have tried EVERYTHING, and are ready to put the pup on craigslist. Yes, that is harsh, and I may hear some feedback from ya'll for it - but it's bad.
This dog can make it throughout the day in his crate when we are not home (safest place for the little guy when we are away.) no accidents. We feed him twice a day per a trainer (yes I paid for a trainer!!! and consulted with a show dog trainer as well), he gets no food after 5pm, and goes out several times up until 12 midnight. I set my alarm for 6am, but if I hear him earlier, I run him outside. He cries ALLLLL NIGHT LONG continuously. He doesn't cry to tell you he has to go, he cries after he has already gone. He soils his crate EVERY NIGHT - even if we take him out at 2am....he still soils the crate. When we leave him the kitchen - it's a mine field. He is 9 months old. His breeder kept him til he was just about 5 months. Told us he was trained....later we found out he was trained to go potty in an exerpen with other puppies being born. After discovering this....we put him in the crate for what we call ...Doggie boot camp to attempt to break the breeders bad habits it taught the dog.
We have tried more than I want to type. My husband and I love this dogs personality - he's great when we go camping. Happy little car rider too! But at home....we want to give him away! It's a nightmare. Yesterday, I let him out at 5am (he already peed everywhere in his crate - I took him off the deck, and when he came back up he kindly pooped on my door mat) I cleaned up the mess, and put him back in the crate so I could go back to sleep. I feed him at 7am. He cried and cried relentlessly until 7am. We had three doors closed and a TV on...and I could still hear him. This is a daily occurance either in the am or late at night.
He is not learning....doggie boot camp has been 45 days now and we have NEVER seen a dog that messes in his crate this way. Most of my friends and family who have dogs have never experienced this either.
We are desparate and on our last nerve. I really want "Shamus" to stay a part of our family but....I don't know what else to do. At this point, I need shock therapy to get the whinning out of my head. At night I think I hear it when he's not doing it! Ugh!

How old is this dog?

Please do not list him on craigslist...

I understand your frustration (believe me, my 8 year old still has her moments), but three major issues with Yorkies are barking/whining, dislike of being alone, and hard to potty train. When he was "trained" in the xpen, did he use pee pads?

I really believe your dog is a nervous wreck. No dog should be crated day and night. I don't want to make you upset with me, but you should really re-home this baby so he can live a normal life, otherwise call in Cesar Milan. This baby needs a couple long walks a day and if you can't do that then put him on a treadmill. You or someone else is going to have to start all over in training him and also if you can't keep him out of the crate into a secure room with no carpet, then things are not going to change for you or him. As it's going now, your only creating a very neurotic dog. I wish I could really help you with him, but we live too far apart. Maybe someone else on here can help.

This situation has to make me wonder if he can help it....he is otherwise happy....maybe he can't hold it.... Sooo sad though! I think it's wortha try with Ceasar Milan......

Good Luck with your baby....
Lucky's mommy

No pee pads. I have them...I have tried them. Suggestions?

He is 9 months old.
Suggestions to help the situation?

We go for walks 30 minute walks with my kids. He plays in the back yard with my daughter when weather allows. He is not in the crate 24/7, but we are trying to train him not to pee indoors. Even with going out every hour on the hour - and him being tethered to my belt loop whereever I go...he still cries when I crate him at bed time. IN MY BEDROOM next to me in the bed! I can't watch him while I sleep and he is 3.5 pounds. I don't want him to kill himself in wires or soemthing. It's ridiculous to think a puppy is safe roaming free in a house. I don't leave my 9 month child roaming free and I am sure neither do you!

Who is Ceasar Milan? How do I contact? I'm beginning to think this dog has a medical problem or something. I don't know.

I would suggest to NOT crate him during the day, to use an Xpen, put in a bed, a pee pad and his food and toys. I even use 1x12 boards to divide the potty area from the rest of the pen.

When you get home take him for a long walk. Do not keep him crated when you are home, confine him to the kitchen, when you are not playing with him or holding him.

Make sure he gets plenty of play time, and time to wind down after play, before bed time.

At bed time put him out for 5 to 10 minutes, then put him in his crate, somewhere OTHER than your bedroom.

I use towels in the crates so if they soil the crate, it is easy to just toss in the washer.

I have a 3 pounder and she was a year old before she could go all night without soiling the bed.

I do not think it is a good idea to get up and take them out in the night. they will get so they do it just cause they want to get up.

The crate I use is big enough to have a small pee area in the front and a towel in the back.

I would run a fan to drown out the noise and not the TV, because the TV might be keeping him awake. He might think you are not in bed and he is missing something.

Good luck

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Sounds like JeanieK covered everything.
She knows her stuff.
Your baby can sense that you are not pleased with him and it may make him nervous.

I don't mean roaming the house, I said a secure area. We kept the girls in the kitchen dining area and closed off to the rest of the house till they were house trained, and even now if we go somewhere that we can't take them, they go into those two rooms. That's where their large covered bed, toys, chews, water and pads are as well. Even at night. We don't sleep with them. I really do feel you should either call in Cesar Milan or re-home him.

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dont put him on craigs list i will take him, pm me if you want to get rid of him, i live in nc to.

So where is he crated? you said both
We had three doors closed and a TV on.and I could still hear him.
We have him crated in the bedroom next to our bed.sounds to me like hes in the crate to much.
being hes smaller he cant hold it as long as the bigger ones. if hes pottying out side so often and eats 2 times a day , I don't see where he would have that much in him to soil his crate every day & night. was he ever In a crate before you got him? if not that might be the problem.
he could be doing this because of being left a lone in his crate. many have anxiety.
at night I would get a bigger crate and put a pee pad in it.
I would not post him on craigs list, if its not working out find him a good home. but not over the Internet, make sure its with someone you know or someone close enough that you can check them out.

My goodness..Cesar Milan...this is a young puppy that lives in a crate all day, has a few hours in the night with the family and then is crated in another room again for the night. He is lonely and scared. These are very social creatures, some more than others. Just what do you think CM will do for a dog that is not housetrained and doesn't want to be alone at night. This family is already trying tough love (having him sleep in his crate) and it is not working.

I am not blaming the OP but this little one needs more than they can give at this time. Many, many Yorkies are not housetrained at 9 months or if ever entirely and with his size it will be difficult.

I know the OP must be frustrated..it is not working out...and I would rather they think seriously about finding a new home for this dog then letting the feelings overcome them for this dog.

To the OP if I can help you please PM me. All I ask is that you not put him on Craigs List because people will fool you and if you love him there are better avenues.

We did take him out of our bedroom after a month or more. We have a baby as well, and he was waking him up. We kept him with us round the clock, I am a stay at home mom. He was where I was, and he went where I went even if I didn't bring him with me. I know he likes to be with people. At the advice of the trainer and the show dog trainer we put him in the crate and moved him downstairs. They said the dog should not have accidents in the crate. We have no idea how he has so much urine or poo. We physcially watch him go to the bathroom outdoors. If we don't take him down to his spot, he will jsut pee and poop on the porch or deck. So, we are with him, watching and praising. Our trainer said to praise with food treats, however, the more treats he got for good behavior...the more poo we had unscheduled. So we have been trying to play and rub bellies etc to reward him with good behavior. Unfortunately, the last week or so...it's a stand off outside, maybe because it's gotten colder....he just sits at your feet. After 10-15 mins at 12 midnight, I assume he isn't going to go to the bathroom, cause he has already been previous times. It's a nightmare. When I get to the top of the deck, he pops a squat on the deck or poops under the table. What do I do then? I need a professional...I don't want to get rid of him, but I need someone to tell me exactly what to do. Like I said, I am a stay at home mom. Give me a professional regimine and I'll do it. I have been following advice of other professionals and it's not working. You all are telling me he is crated too much and has anxiety. What was his problem before the crate? The behavior hasn't changed with or without the crate. Early on he was only crated during evening hours, or when we were not home. He is crated when we are traveling and camping and has NO problems. We go away for a week in our camper....and he may have one accident. We even have stayed in a hotel, he makes it all night in a hotel in his crate. It makes no sense. At least not to me or my husband. My trainer keeps telling me to stay the course and show the dog who is in charge. Right now I feel like the dog is in charge, and I'm loosing! I just need someone who isn't going to judge because I have been reading books and following advice of others. If anything - I've tried too many things and the dog is confused, but nothing is working.
If I spend the money on a bigger crate for more space for a pee pad isn't that defeating the purpose of the teaching of goign potty outdoors? someone suggested a towel. I totally bought 10 hand towels, and put one clean one in each night. It's nasty in the morning, but it's easy clean up. The dog still reaks of urine though. Nothing I can do for that unless I give him a bath daily. Which I have also tried to get him to not smell the urnine and pee again. Someone suggested that too. Ugh. I'm so frustrated, and people are so quick to judge. I have TRIED! I want to keep trying, but I don't know what to keep trying - everyone has a different opinion!

I told you exactly what to do. limit his area. But you did not mention a baby before. I think with the puppy and a baby, it is just overwhelming for you. You probably shuold find him a new home.

some one on here agreed to take him, please contact her.

You are stressed and dogs do not understand stress. it makes you an unstable pack leader and he needs a good leader. You can not show him who is boss if you are not calm.

and that is most likely the advice that Cesaer Milan would give. Cesar does not train dogs. he trains people.

A trainer cannot train your dlog, you are the one that has to change before the dog will change.

I love you for being so kind hearted that you would offer to take this Yorkie to keep him off Craig'slist. This pup has to be a nervous wreck and to the OP.....I know it's nerve racking and to think of rehoming is one of your choices. It doesn't make you a bad person. Just a person whose come to the end of their teether. As for Cesar Milan?.....Oh, give me a break! He is wonderful but also a mega million dollar celebrity and I am currently reading his latest book "How to raise a perfect dog" which is all about puppyhood and it's fabulous! I love it! What are the chances of getting the "dog whisperer" to your house? Slim, very slim. Zip to nil! Ain't gunna happen! Rehabing a dog requires the tenacity of a truffle pig and some people are experts. Both with the experience, time, knowledge, patience and the plain ole "gift". Your dog clearly needs one of these people to be happy and well balanced. He's not a bad dog but a dog that doesn't have a "dog communicator" to make him understand your language and you....his. And I agree.....he knows your unhappy with him and the situation. I admire you for coming on YT and spilling your beans.

And you didn't ask even though she said she had children. She has obviously tried ( she has had 2 trainers). She is frustrated and her breeder only trained the dog to go on pee pee pads...this poor little dude is getting mixed signals.

Yes he is. And she is frustrated and stressed. So i think it would probably be best for all if he had a new home.

The OP and I are Pming each other...she loves this dog.

Great I hope things work out for her.

Maybe he is sensing your frustration and he's scared because he's confused. There was a thread that someone posted about there dog that was horrible, but she worked with him and it started working. I will find it and post the link. Have you tried the how to train a dog in 7 days schedule? Even though I'm sure it takes longer than 7 days to work it has really good schedules.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...our-house.html

Harlyyorkie had great ideas, check out this thread.

Have you tried allowing him to just sleep all night with you?
Chances are he won't budge all night long. I think he's telling
you he's lonesome and want's to cuddle with you.
Believe me I know what i'm talking about. Have one that was
very much like that until I finally allowed him in the bed.
It's been 4yrs and all is fine. He's happy being close to me.
If your afraid of him going threw the house put a gate across
your bedroom door where he can't get out. Yorkies don't give
up easily you just have to try and find out what is bothering
him. I think you will be surprised that his crying at night will cease.

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i have a 9 month old dog and he roams in the house but not in bedrooms .at night he sleeps in his confortable bed i dont have him in crate and yes he does soil in his wee pad ,but that part of having a dog i just clean after him .there are human too ,i feel crate are bad and dont help at all is just a small place where they cant stay for long thats my opinion keep away from the crate and you wiil see the difference thank you :aimeeyork

I just want to say that I am so sorry you are going through this! It really does seem like you have tried everything. I personally do not think that you NEED to rehome him. You have shown that you are willing to try and that you are willing to keep trying.

You have probably done this but...

First of all, I really think that walks make a big diference. I know you said you walk him so that is great. Also, playing fetch and whatnot in the back yard to get him tired out.

Keep him with you during the day (tethered if you need to) and take him out every hour (or even less if he needs it). When you take him out tell him to "Go Potty." When he goes, praise him with a "good go potty" and rubs and attention or a treat (tiny treats go a long way).

Keep his crate open throughout the day. Feed him in the crate (with the door open and/or the top off if it comes off). Throughout the day place treats (even carrots if he likes them) in his crate (this will show him that the crate is a good place to be).

At night, take him out potty before bed and then tell him "time for bed" and put him in his crate. I do not think it is bad to take him out during the night so long as you gradually increase the amount of time he is in the crate.

If he just can't handle the crate, use an xpen, gated off area like the kitchen or laundry room, or a bathroom. I would use an xpen and cover the floor with pee pads (also have his bed/crate in there but I might not put his water in there as it may make the problem worse). After a while take away one pee pad at a time. If you see him going on the pad praise him.

I do not know that any of this info is new and you have probably tried it already. But I just want to encourage you to keep trying and that it will all be worth it.

I totally understand how you feel. I love Jasmine but there were times that I was on the end of my rope with her and the potty training thing. I honestly didn't think she was going to get it. Prissy, our toy poodle, was a breeze. She never pottied in her crate or the house. She was a little lady. Then came Jasmine........here a poop, here a pee, every where a poop and pee. All I was doing was taking her outside to do her thing just to bring her in, so she would do her thing. Very frustrating. However, she is 10 months old now and, BINGO..........by george I thinks shes got it! I know you have tried everything you can possible do, as we did too, sometimes when you have done it all, all you can do is wait. Good luck!

I don't have any magic words to give you only the encouragement to hang in there!!! I understand what you are going through. It IS very overwhelming when you have alot of responsabilites. Staying at home isn't lounging on the couch and watching tv all day long---especially with children-including your dog! Good luck and I admire your willingness to try and keep a family member with you at all costs;) Regardless of what is offered to you as advice do what YOU feel works, is easiest and please give it time!!! I am still in the training mode with Lola so there is a long way to go with her but I don't give up! She's my first dog ever. Good luck

just a though - but have you checked with a vet just in case to make sure there's no physical health problem affecting his ability to hold it in until he is let out?