[B][QUOTE=Britster;2735024[/B]]Totally off topic, I'm not saying this to be mean, but I can never fully get through reading your posts because the grammar and wording is so terrible. I can't even take you seriously because you put periods and spaces in the wrong place, and skip words sometimes, and spell things wrong. I could care less about perfect grammar on the internet but I really just can't even get through yours without getting irritated. Thought I'd put that out there that maybe you could be taken more seriously if you wrote properly. I do apologize if English isn't your first language or something, however.[/QUOTE] I dont agree with this poster either but come on, dont make fun of people because of their grammar. You dont know the circumstances. I learned english in the 4th grade and my spelling is terrible. One of my daughters is a terrible speller and she is a second year Medical school student. She excels in math and science. Please dont take this wrong, it just shocked me to see you post this. Its just not you...:confused:

[quote=manolos mom;2735394][B]I can understand your spelling and posts though and as I said, I could care less about perfect grammar on the internet. It was just an observation I made. And I wasn't making fun of anyone, lol. Well, oh well, I apologized and what's said is done. It was just something I wondered about is all. I'm glad I now understand!

[quote=Britster;2735477] I know you have been upset, this was just not like you..

Training continues to succeed
 

Thanks to all who wrote to me encouraging me to keep on posting. Yorkie owners are the best, I think. We look forward to helping more of you to find balance with your beloved Yorkies.
We just finished working with a beautiful black chow mix. "Baggy" had some aggression issues, like snapping at visitors and going crazy when she saw other dogs. She also had a habit of letting people pet her but if they touched down her back, she would snap at them. Her owner said,"she is like a ticking time bomb ready to explode". Like we do with every dog, we first taught the owner and her daughter how to keep the dog in a calm submissive state during a walk. If a dog is just loose or on an extended leash wandering around, the brain is really not very engaged and in that state, the dog believes it is dominant and the pack leader. We model how to gently correct when the animal wants to pull or react to things. Within the first half hour of this new 'working' walk, dogs relax into the new routine and come home calm, and often, mentally exhausted. Owners stay in a calm assertive state and dogs stay calm and submissive. The burden is lifted from them and their brains are moving forward , getting into the zone, walking next to their owners at whatever pace the owner asks. We did this several sessions before the big visit to the pet store . We raised the interest of many other dog owners as we worked with Baggy to come into the store in a calm state, over and over again until it was nothing for her to walk in calmly, avoiding contact with any dogs she saw rather than going crazy and trying to get away to get to them. It was another success for us and for Baggy's owners.

If a dog is on an extend a lead and they are not listening it has more to do with the world being far more intresting and wonderful and safe then you are.
They would rather smell the ground and check out the pee signs than come back and pay attention and listen to those that are yanking and correcting.

Job is to make yourself the end on and be all by turning them out to sniff calling them back and then releasing them to go sniff again. Plus maybe add in a treat. Dogs think wow if I listen fast I get to go back and sniff and I get a treat man that is great but if I do not listen I have to stay here and no sniff. No corrections needed. Removal of the sniffing if they do not come fast is all you need.

As for pulling... dogs pull into what pulls them. Science. If I walk up and push you you will push back to stay balanced. If I walk up and pull you you will pull back ato stay balance it is in the genes and it got nothing to do with them controloing. You stop yanking they stop but it hard to unteach once they are pullers. that why a haed harness attached to the back of the head works for them to not pull nad they step back into it rather then pull. therefore no pulling.

Try reading excel-erated learning explaining how dogs learn and how best to teach them by Pamela Ried PHD
to quote her
Aversive Control of behaviour

"The use of adversive stimuli warrents a speical discussion for three reasons.
First exposing an animal to aversive sti,ulation produces emotional side effects that influence the learning process.
Second, slight changes in procedures can have a dramatic effect of the rate and extent of learning. And third, you can make a lot of mistakes using postive stimuli , such as food, and the worst thing that will happen is you might have a skinny or over wieght dog. If you screw up witj aversive stimuli, your dog gets tra umatized and/or hurt. It is your responsiblity to make sure you know exactly what you are doing if you decide to use aversive consequences."

JL

I must disagree so much with that response
 

That description on how to walk a dog makes no sense to me. I know that the training methods we use work and work well without hurting any dog, or owner, for that matter. We bring more joy and fun to the dog and its family and never do we do anything that puts the dogs in danger.
Psychological training balances the dog, making it happier and more relaxed. For those who are interested, you can read so much about it with Cesar Milan's book and watch him work on his show, Dog Whisperer, Friday nights on National Geographic Channel. Here in Arizona, B&L Dog Training is constructing a dog center so we can help our clients even with the most difficult problems. We'll announce its opening in the next few months but meanwhile, we are available to come to your home and we offer a free 15 minute evaluation. You then decide if you want to work with us to help your dog and family.

Makes perfect sence go read Try reading excel-erated learning explaining how dogs learn and how best to teach them by Pamela Ried PHD

It will make it alll very pointedly clear and just why the way some train is just the wrong end of the stick.

It takes a lot longer to properly assess a dog thatn 15 mintues. And many aggressive dogs only act up at home.
JL

Hi, I created a thread for discussion on Cesar's methods so aquinn can have her thread back :) :

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/tra...te-thread.html

I am commented on the fact that 15 minutes is not at all long enough to assess a dog and that does not have a thing to do with Ceaser that just has to Do with this trainer.

Takes a much longer time to get to the root of many dogs concerns. Not always are they going to lay it all out on the table and hand it to you easy.
Fact that this trainer thinks it can is concerning. When I know for a fact that any accessment done by a PHD or a DVM in behaviour takes as much as an hour or more.


JL

I respect your opinions, but the fact is, some people like Cesar's training, and it's only fair to give them some space in this forum. A lot of people have said why they disagree with Cesar, and there's now a thread where it can be discussed in more detail. It's not like people are unaware that Cesar is controversial. If someone has been living under a rock and didn't know it, in reading this thread they will surely learn it.

I'm not telling you to keep your opinions to yourself, I'm just suggesting that we move them to a different location.

Again the last post has to do directly with the trainer posting in this thread and not a thing to do with Ceaser.
You would be amazed at the number of people I run into on a weekly if not daily baces that have not a clue as to why Ceaser is not the best way to go train a dog ecpecially for those with not training in animals at all.

Goes right along with the chat I had the other day about pet store puppies and puppy mills the lady had no clue.

As long as this trainer posts to a thread any thread and she/he is free of course to do so than I will repond as needed to point out why I think or do not think there is an concern with the manner this trainer is training.

JL

I think your concerns have been expressed at this point, and the people who are going to hear you have heard you. If this trainer helped aquinn's dog, then I think she deserves to be able to come on here and offer to help other dogs. I do not agree with her methods, but at this point, we are beating a dead horse (something I know you would not approve of! ;) )

I totally agree with beating a dead horse as being not ok but if the trainer comes and posts again and i have a conern with what he/she says i will voice that concern. What someone sees now as a fix when training is done in this manner ,tends to fall apart and get worse over time. Right now things look grand but it is a wait and see.

JL