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xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 06:25 PM
I am frustrated beyond frustrated!!!!
 
Ok here I am 7 dogs later...never ever had a problem with crate training...which i still don't think i do...it is Kioko...all Kioko...i mean i take them out to potty pretty often...he doesn't have a problem peeing outside...but it seems like he holds his poop in until he comes back in...and put inside his crate when i am not able to supervise....it is driving me nuts..


and to make matter worse he then steps all over it...lays in it...and whatever else he does...any other would and if they happen to have an accident would do be laying, sitting and/or stepping on away from it...argh!!!


no other has ever done this...and if they did they got over it...he is 10 months now and it seems to be getting worse...i am having to spray out and down his kennel everyday how many times a day...i don't know what to do anymore...

PLEASE HELP!!!

grandmatoall 10-29-2008 06:29 PM
Does he poop about the same time every day? Do you go out with him or just let them run and play?

zenzele 10-29-2008 06:29 PM
Did you get him from a pet store? That is a problem with dogs from pet stores because they were kept in crates or cages. Try feeding him in his crate for a couple of days - at least a week. He may come to see the crate as his place for food rewards and dogs don't like to use the bathroom where they each. Good luck! Keep us posted on how it goes :animal-pa :animal-pa

grandmatoall 10-29-2008 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by zenzele (Post 2305348)
Did you get him from a pet store? That is a problem with dogs from pet stores because they were kept in crates or cages. Try feeding him in his crate for a couple of days - at least a week. He may come to see the crate as his place for food rewards and dogs don't like to use the bathroom where they each. Good luck! Keep us posted on how it goes :animal-pa :animal-pa
Good idea.

mypreciouspups 10-29-2008 06:49 PM
annabella did that.. I took her food away from her early evening so she did not have to poop in the night.. but I was always around so she did not have to be crated by day...unless I went out and had an x pen for her.. I am sure he will grow out of it..
I did not have that problem once.. but pepsie would poop on the floor and then ask to go outside.. did that for over a year before he got it straight.. I just picked it up like a good mom and he came around..
but cleaning the crate that often would drive any good mom crazy.. hope some one has something good to tell you... anne

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by grandmatoall (Post 2305347)
Does he poop about the same time every day? Do you go out with him or just let them run and play?
i go out with all off them on a leash...i let them know that when going outside it means to do their business...which the other don't have a problem with...Kioko on the hand does not seem to get it and it is driving me nuts!

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by zenzele (Post 2305348)
Did you get him from a pet store? That is a problem with dogs from pet stores because they were kept in crates or cages. Try feeding him in his crate for a couple of days - at least a week. He may come to see the crate as his place for food rewards and dogs don't like to use the bathroom where they each. Good luck! Keep us posted on how it goes :animal-pa :animal-pa
No I got him from a breeder down in TX..I went to their home and visited...he however was the runt...i don't know if that has something to do with it or not...

The only dog i ever got at a petstore was a toy poodle an ex bought for me...but that was 10 years ago....and from my experience with her i vow to never purchased from a petstore again...

And as far as feeding goes...that is where they all get feed...inside their crate. Until they are potty trained. Thanks.

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups (Post 2305374)
annabella did that.. I took her food away from her early evening so she did not have to poop in the night.. but I was always around so she did not have to be crated by day...unless I went out and had an x pen for her.. I am sure he will grow out of it..
I did not have that problem once.. but pepsie would poop on the floor and then ask to go outside.. did that for over a year before he got it straight.. I just picked it up like a good mom and he came around..
but cleaning the crate that often would drive any good mom crazy.. hope some one has something good to tell you... anne
girl you just just don't how frustrating it is....it just seems like he purposely wait to come in and be let into his crate so he can poop...i don't know what is going on with him...

grandmatoall 10-29-2008 07:00 PM
I know how frustrating it can be. TJ would poop on the rug under the table if I didn't watch him, when he was tiny. It took lots of patience. Reward him and make a huge deal of it, when he poops outside. Maybe he is one that takes a long time to get the urge to poop. Good luck to you and your baby.

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by grandmatoall (Post 2305392)
I know how frustrating it can be. TJ would poop on the rug under the table if I didn't watch him, when he was tiny. It took lots of patience. Reward him and make a huge deal of it, when he poops outside. Maybe he is one that takes a long time to get the urge to poop. Good luck to you and your baby.
he doesn't even try...i sit there and wait them for an hour at a time...he would go up to Yoshi or MeiLing when they are pooping and sniff it while they are doing it...then once they are done they run around and chase each other...

all he cares about is seeing what MeiLing or Yoshi is doing...they are used to stay in a crate together but i learn to never do that anymore...because if i had to take Yoshi and/or MeiLing to the vet or something....Kioko would cry like he is being killed...i mean it gets old pretty quick...

amandawash 10-29-2008 07:08 PM
Oh you poor thing! My girlfriend got two yorkie puppies WAY TOO YOUNG and tiny (she wouldn't listen to me :p) and her little girl did the same thing- she would take her outside for 30-40 minutes and the second she brought her in, she would poo in either the kennel or x-pen, and then get it all over her.

She finally got better about it but I don't think she's completely trained yet. I don't even know what I would do, well, I do know I would be super skinny because I would be throwing up everytime I had to clean out the kennel.

I wish I had better advice for you! On the bright side of things, at least it's only ONE of them who's doing it! It could be five out of six ;)

What if you took him outside by himself and totally ignored him until he did his business? Then make a huge deal? I really don't have any other ideas.

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by amandawash (Post 2305404)
Oh you poor thing! My girlfriend got two yorkie puppies WAY TOO YOUNG and tiny (she wouldn't listen to me :p) and her little girl did the same thing- she would take her outside for 30-40 minutes and the second she brought her in, she would poo in either the kennel or x-pen, and then get it all over her.

She finally got better about it but I don't think she's completely trained yet. I don't even know what I would do, well, I do know I would be super skinny because I would be throwing up everytime I had to clean out the kennel.

I wish I had better advice for you! On the bright side of things, at least it's only ONE of them who's doing it! It could be five out of six ;)

What if you took him outside by himself and totally ignored him until he did his business? Then make a huge deal? I really don't have any other ideas.
true but my 3 oldest (9 year old male Maltese, 5 year old female maltese and 3 year old is 99.9% trained) and Yoshi who is 19 months old and MeiLing who is 11 months old is 90% trained...then there is Kioko who takes 1 step forward and 10 steps back...argh!

thanks!

grandmatoall 10-29-2008 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx (Post 2305397)
he doesn't even try...i sit there and wait them for an hour at a time...he would go up to Yoshi or MeiLing when they are pooping and sniff it while they are doing it...then once they are done they run around and chase each other...

all he cares about is seeing what MeiLing or Yoshi is doing...they are used to stay in a crate together but i learn to never do that anymore...because if i had to take Yoshi and/or MeiLing to the vet or something....Kioko would cry like he is being killed...i mean it gets old pretty quick...

I can see where it would. I wish I could tell you something to help you with this baby. It sounds like you are doing everything you can think of. Hopefully he will figure it out. Good luck.

Ashley V 10-29-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx (Post 2305342)
Ok here I am 7 dogs later...never ever had a problem with crate training...which i still don't think i do...it is Kioko...all Kioko...i mean i take them out to potty pretty often...he doesn't have a problem peeing outside...but it seems like he holds his poop in until he comes back in...and put inside his crate when i am not able to supervise....it is driving me nuts..


and to make matter worse he then steps all over it...lays in it...and whatever else he does...any other would and if they happen to have an accident would do be laying, sitting and/or stepping on away from it...argh!!!


no other has ever done this...and if they did they got over it...he is 10 months now and it seems to be getting worse...i am having to spray out and down his kennel everyday how many times a day...i don't know what to do anymore...

PLEASE HELP!!!
Smokey does the SAME thing... except we can't even get him to pee outside either. He is impossible! We've been trying for the past year and he just won't get it. Then, like your Kioko, Smokey steps all in it and gets it everywhere. I know I'm not much help, but Smokey is 1.5 years old and still doing it... *sigh*

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2305420)
Smokey does the SAME thing... except we can't even get him to pee outside either. He is impossible! We've been trying for the past year and he just won't get it. Then, like your Kioko, Smokey steps all in it and gets it everywhere. I know I'm not much help, but Smokey is 1.5 years old and still doing it... *sigh*
i can understand your frustration....because i am dealing with it now...its one thing for me to have accidents in there...but then to lay, walk step and sit in it...drives me crazy...

if yoshi had an accident...i can find him on the other side of the small crate...leaning against the wall of the crate not wanting to get it all over him...

but with kioko..he does it by the opening of the crate...sits in it and whatever else he does with it...

Ashley V 10-29-2008 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx (Post 2305429)
i can understand your frustration....because i am dealing with it now...its one thing for me to have accidents in there...but then to lay, walk step and sit in it...drives me crazy...

if yoshi had an accident...i can find him on the other side of the small crate...leaning against the wall of the crate not wanting to get it all over him...

but with kioko..he does it by the opening of the crate...sits in it and whatever else he does with it...
Sounds like Smokey! I even tried baby gating them in the bathroom hoping that when he has these accidents, he would do it in one spot other than in front of the door... and where does he do it? In front of the door! I come home to smashed poop and I KNOW it wasn't Chip because he just doesn't do things like that. Drives me insane, but I blame it on his past life before us.

TootiesMom 10-29-2008 07:31 PM
I wish I knew the answer here.... my Tootie will COME INSIDE to poop... he doesnt pee inside but always comes and hides in the house to poop and he is 3 years old! I wish I could figure that one out.. and I have 3 others who always do their "business" outside, strange...
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xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2305434)
Sounds like Smokey! I even tried baby gating them in the bathroom hoping that when he has these accidents, he would do it in one spot other than in front of the door... and where does he do it? In front of the door! I come home to smashed poop and I KNOW it wasn't Chip because he just doesn't do things like that. Drives me insane, but I blame it on his past life before us.
i know what you mean...but Kioko has been with me since 10 weeks old...i tried letting him sleep with me one night to give us some 1 on 1 time...and guess what he did beside my head in the middle of the night...

i woke up to a fresh aroma of poop...argh! good thing it was on his own bed...but i mean geez it was right beside my face by my nose...

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TootiesMom (Post 2305435)
I wish I knew the answer here.... my Tootie will COME INSIDE to poop... he doesnt pee inside but always comes and hides in the house to poop and he is 3 years old! I wish I could figure that one out.. and I have 3 others who always do their "business" outside, strange...
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thanks for the input...i am beginning to feel as if there is no hope...hehe

YorkichonBella 10-29-2008 07:38 PM
I'm sorry you are going through this with Kioko. I know it must be frustrating. Maybe he just gets so excited to be with the others when he goes outside. What if you keep him in an xpen or larger kennel for a while along with a puppy pad. Would you be against him being puppy pad trained? It's worth a try. No matter how hard you try, Bless his heart, he may be one of those that just likes to have his quiet time and takes longer with the pooping.:rolleyes: I hope it gets better.

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by grandmatoall (Post 2305411)
I can see where it would. I wish I could tell you something to help you with this baby. It sounds like you are doing everything you can think of. Hopefully he will figure it out. Good luck.
aww thanks for trying Bobbi...

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella (Post 2305445)
I'm sorry you are going through this with Kioko. I know it must be frustrating. Maybe he just gets so excited to be with the others when he goes outside. What if you keep him in an xpen or larger kennel for a while along with a puppy pad. Would you be against him being puppy pad trained? It's worth a try. No matter how hard you try, Bless his heart, he may be one of those that just likes to have his quiet time and takes longer with the pooping.:rolleyes: I hope it gets better.
been there done that...have a tried everything....he tears up the paper pads...i would find him with all the cottony stuff around his face and hair...

and i have bought over 2 dozen washable pads...and don't have any left due because i got tired of the mess he created so i am done with pad training...it is outside they good...no matter what the weather is...i am willing to go outside and stand there in whatever weather condition until they do their business...

i mean he knows what he needs to do...they all do...when it is cold, raining (have yet to snow) they would run down the steps pee/poop and right back up they go...because they know i won't even walk towards the door until they are done...they understand me when i say go potty (in vietnamese) what i mean but it...he doesn't have a problem with peeing outside...but we could be out there forever and he still will not poop...i walk them trying to get him stimulated to go..but he doesnt...and i am going INSANE!

YorkichonBella 10-29-2008 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx (Post 2305452)
been there done that...have a tried everything....he tears up the paper pads...i would find him with all the cottony stuff around his face and hair...

and i have bought over 2 dozen washable pads...and don't have any left due because i got tired of the mess he created so i am done with pad training...it is outside they good...no matter what the weather is...i am willing to go outside and stand there in whatever weather condition until they do their business...

i mean he knows what he needs to do...they all do...when it is cold, raining (have yet to snow) they would run down the steps pee/poop and right back up they go...because they know i won't even walk towards the door until they are done...they understand me when i say go potty (in vietnamese) what i mean but it...he doesn't have a problem with peeing outside...but we could be out there forever and he still will not poop...i walk them trying to get him stimulated to go..but he doesnt...and i am going INSANE!
oh No! Sorry! Haven't noticed him doing the butt scooting, have you?

Ashley V 10-29-2008 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx (Post 2305452)
been there done that...have a tried everything....he tears up the paper pads...i would find him with all the cottony stuff around his face and hair...

and i have bought over 2 dozen washable pads...and don't have any left due because i got tired of the mess he created so i am done with pad training...it is outside they good...no matter what the weather is...i am willing to go outside and stand there in whatever weather condition until they do their business...

i mean he knows what he needs to do...they all do...when it is cold, raining (have yet to snow) they would run down the steps pee/poop and right back up they go...because they know i won't even walk towards the door until they are done...they understand me when i say go potty (in vietnamese) what i mean but it...he doesn't have a problem with peeing outside...but we could be out there forever and he still will not poop...i walk them trying to get him stimulated to go..but he doesnt...and i am going INSANE!
I really think he and Smokey are long lost twins....

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 2305463)
I really think he and Smokey are long lost twins....
could be...hehe

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella (Post 2305457)
oh No! Sorry! Haven't noticed him doing the butt scooting, have you?
no he has not...although one time i caught him doing it outside but that was only because he has sat in his poop inside his crate and had one big poop stuck on the hair on his tail! and he was trying to get it off...

YorkichonBella 10-29-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx (Post 2305481)
no he has not...although one time i caught him doing it outside but that was only because he has sat in his poop inside his crate and had one big poop stuck on the hair on his tail! and he was trying to get it off...
:p Girl....sorry, I know this isn't Funny, but you made me Laugh!! :grin2: Can definitely tell Mommie's not letting him off the hook on this one! Mommie's WATCHING you Kioko!!:eek: Please be a goooood boy!! & Help with Mommie's Frustration!! pwwwwzzzz

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkichonBella (Post 2305500)
:p Girl....sorry, I know this isn't Funny, but you made me Laugh!! :grin2: Can definitely tell Mommie's not letting him off the hook on this one! Mommie's WATCHING you Kioko!!:eek: Please be a goooood boy!! & Help with Mommie's Frustration!! pwwwwzzzz
no hard feelings....hehe now that i think about it i find it funny too...

lovemyalfie 10-29-2008 09:28 PM
How frustrating! I"m glad you can laugh at it though. It's the best medicine sometimes!:D

Have you just taken Kioko out potty without the other dogs? I need to take Alfie out separate from the other dog, bc he would never get his business taken care of!

xxmxaxrxyxx 10-29-2008 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lovemyalfie (Post 2305551)
How frustrating! I"m glad you can laugh at it though. It's the best medicine sometimes!:D

Have you just taken Kioko out potty without the other dogs? I need to take Alfie out separate from the other dog, bc he would never get his business taken care of!
tried that...but he wouldn't do anything...all he wants to do is run back to the door to get back in to them...i am so out of ideas! thanks


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