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Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 04:12 PM

Please Someone Help!!!!!!
 
I am supposed to be doing my homework right now but my little girl is driving me nuts :eek: She is under my chair and she won't stop growling.

Ok this is why... My little girls HATES my son!! I know, I know, hate is a strong word but it's true. If she could, I am convinced she would tear him limb from limb!!!:eek:

He is not being malicious but still!! He is 6 years old and FULL of energy. He will run down the stairs or jump off the couch and it scares her. He doesn't do anything to her personally.

So now of course anytime she hears him she starts barking like crazy!!!! If he is sitting on the floor watching TV and she hears a noise she will run over to him and bite him. She has even drawn blood twice:eek: :(

I don't know what to do because I reprimand him at times for scaring her when it probably should be her that is having the time out:(

He has come to hate her!!!!!! I will NOT,NOT,NOT,NOT, be without my dog, but I don't know how to stop the behavior on both parts (skin and fur).

Help what do I do???????

:idontknow

Erin 02-04-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1732365)
I am supposed to be doing my homework right now but my little girl is driving me nuts :eek: She is under my chair and she won't stop growling.

Ok this is why... My little girls HATES my son!! I know, I know, hate is a strong word but it's true. If she could, I am convinced she would tear him limb from limb!!!:eek:

He is not being malicious but still!! He is 6 years old and FULL of energy. He will run down the stairs or jump off the couch and it scares her. He doesn't do anything to her personally.

So now of course anytime she hears him she starts barking like crazy!!!! If he is sitting on the floor watching TV and she hears a noise she will run over to him and bite him. She has even drawn blood twice:eek: :(

I don't know what to do because I reprimand him at times for scaring her when it probably should be her that is having the time out:(

He has come to hate her!!!!!! I will NOT,NOT,NOT,NOT, be without my dog, but I don't know how to stop the behavior on both parts (skin and fur).

Help what do I do???????

:idontknow

At 6 he knows better, she doesn't. But yes - she should get a time out. Immediately when it happens you say "Time out" and put her in a confined space (preferably a crate) IGNORE her. If she comes out and does it again she gets another time out. Repeat until it sinks in...

You can also have HIM work with her on commands with treats. That way she learns he is not scary.

For the loud noises I'd consult a trainer or some positive training books.

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 04:19 PM

I am trying to post a video of what she does but I can't figure it out:( I did it the other day and now I can't remember:(

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1732388)
At 6 he knows better, she doesn't. But yes - she should get a time out. Immediately when it happens you say "Time out" and put her in a confined space (preferably a crate) IGNORE her. If she comes out and does it again she gets another time out. Repeat until it sinks in...

You can also have HIM work with her on commands with treats. That way she learns he is not scary.

For the loud noises I'd consult a trainer or some positive training books.

I will try her crate:( I tried holding her down until she was calm like Ceasar Milan suggests but it does nothing:( maybe I'm doing it wrong:confused:

When it happens I get on to my son and send him upstairs, because you are absolutely right, he knows better and she does not, that is why I tend to protect her more... but...

I think by me doing that I have made him resent her and given her in a round about way permission to continue:(

I have really put myself in a predicament
:eek: :eek:

Erin 02-04-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1732420)
I will try her crate:( I tried holding her down until she was calm like Ceasar Milan suggests but it does nothing:( maybe I'm doing it wrong:confused:

When it happens I get on to my son and send him upstairs, because you are absolutely right, he knows better and she does not, that is why I tend to protect her more... but...

I think by me doing that I have made him resent her and given her in a round about way permission to continue:(

I have really put myself in a predicament
:eek: :eek:

Just because he knows better doesn't mean she should get away with it. I'm just saying you can reason with him. With her it will take consistency and training.

Don't do what Cesar does... :rolleyes: It won't help. You weren't doing it wrong. HE does it wrong....

Just BE consistent. It's called NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE. She has to earn your attention. If she chooses to be obnoxious she can be obnoxious in her crate but she doesn't get to hang out with you. If she wants to be petted (by you OR by your son) she has to sit first, or whatever you choose. Carry treats with you AT ALL TIMES. If you hear the loud noise you know she reacts to (in our case, the stupid NEXTEL chirp on the commercial) be ready to distract her right away and call her back to you. Give her a treat for coming and ignore the barking.

LBrooks323 02-04-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1732365)
I am supposed to be doing my homework right now but my little girl is driving me nuts :eek: She is under my chair and she won't stop growling.

Ok this is why... My little girls HATES my son!! I know, I know, hate is a strong word but it's true. If she could, I am convinced she would tear him limb from limb!!!:eek:

He is not being malicious but still!! He is 6 years old and FULL of energy. He will run down the stairs or jump off the couch and it scares her. He doesn't do anything to her personally.

So now of course anytime she hears him she starts barking like crazy!!!! If he is sitting on the floor watching TV and she hears a noise she will run over to him and bite him. She has even drawn blood twice:eek: :(

I don't know what to do because I reprimand him at times for scaring her when it probably should be her that is having the time out:(

He has come to hate her!!!!!! I will NOT,NOT,NOT,NOT, be without my dog, but I don't know how to stop the behavior on both parts (skin and fur).

Help what do I do???????

:idontknow

How old is your yorkie?

JeanieK 02-04-2008 04:55 PM

Your dog is wise to hate your son. That kind of behavior could seriously injure her or even kill her.

Your sons behavior needs to be corrected and then you can start to undo the damage that has been done, by letting the dog see that you, as the pack leader, are able to control the rest of the pack.

Your dog is telling you that your pack is out of control and that you are not doing your job as the pack leader.

watch a few episodes of the dog whisperer and you will know what I am talking aobut.

sorry to souind so harsh, but that is exdactly the reason why many breeders REFUSE to sell to people with small children,.

JeanieK 02-04-2008 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1732452)
Just because he knows better doesn't mean she should get away with it. I'm just saying you can reason with him. With her it will take consistency and training.

Don't do what Cesar does... :rolleyes: It won't help. You weren't doing it wrong. HE does it wrong....

Just BE consistent. It's called NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE. She has to earn your attention. If she chooses to be obnoxious she can be obnoxious in her crate but she doesn't get to hang out with you. If she wants to be petted (by you OR by your son) she has to sit first, or whatever you choose. Carry treats with you AT ALL TIMES. If you hear the loud noise you know she reacts to (in our case, the stupid NEXTEL chirp on the commercial) be ready to distract her right away and call her back to you. Give her a treat for coming and ignore the barking.


Cesar's methods are very efffective. dogs do not understand time outs and it will not correct the problem. You are dealing with the wrong pack member.


You have to change your behavior before you can change the dogs. If your child doesn't listen to you, or respect you, why do you expect the dog to.

Buddy-licious 02-04-2008 05:01 PM

I feel for you but I have a solution....or at least it worked beautifully for us!! I have posted recently about Buddy barking, chatting, growling, jabbering, etc....he was driving us crazy. Someone posted to put coins in a coke can (cover the top with duct tape) ....every time Buddy started in on one of his "chatty cathy" stages we would shake the can and say, NO BARK!! It worked the first time we did it!!!!:D :D :D My DH keeps a can beside his chair and I have one beside my chair....if Buddy starts barking & jabbering we shake the can and he immediately STOPS!!!! We were amazed!!! Also works with the door bell....when the door bell rings we shake the can and say, "no bark"!!! He has now stopped barking at the door bell!!!!:D :D
I only used the cans for about 2 or 3 days and the jabbering/barking stopped!!! Now I just have to say, "no bark"!!! It was a miracle solution for us!!!

(I need to thank Ms. Carol (her Yorkie is also named Buddy) for this suggestion)!!!

BUT.....I do think you need to address the issue with your son too....he has to do his part too. He cannot continue to upset your furbaby!!! Good Luck!!!!

JeanieK 02-04-2008 05:07 PM

When my dogs bark at the cat, and the cat is under the sofa and is afraid to come out. I stand by the sofa and bare my teeth and growl a low growl.

The first time I did this, I had to snap at them like a dog would, using my hand as a mouth. Now I can do it from a distance, just by growling and baring my teeth to them.

it probably sounds dumb, but it is the language that they understand.

Dogs do not understand time outs at all. By the time you put them in the carte, they have no idea what they ar being crated for. Most likely they think it is because they let you catch them.

Buddy-licious 02-04-2008 05:07 PM

I wish you luck!!!!

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1732452)
Just because he knows better doesn't mean she should get away with it. I'm just saying you can reason with him. With her it will take consistency and training.

Don't do what Cesar does... :rolleyes: It won't help. You weren't doing it wrong. HE does it wrong....

Just BE consistent. It's called NOTHING IN LIFE IS FREE. She has to earn your attention. If she chooses to be obnoxious she can be obnoxious in her crate but she doesn't get to hang out with you. If she wants to be petted (by you OR by your son) she has to sit first, or whatever you choose. Carry treats with you AT ALL TIMES. If you hear the loud noise you know she reacts to (in our case, the stupid NEXTEL chirp on the commercial) be ready to distract her right away and call her back to you. Give her a treat for coming and ignore the barking.


Thank you so much... I will try:D

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LBrooks323 (Post 1732458)
How old is your yorkie?

She is 1 year 7 months

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1732533)
Your dog is wise to hate your son. That kind of behavior could seriously injure her or even kill her.

Your sons behavior needs to be corrected and then you can start to undo the damage that has been done, by letting the dog see that you, as the pack leader, are able to control the rest of the pack.

Your dog is telling you that your pack is out of control and that you are not doing your job as the pack leader.

watch a few episodes of the dog whisperer and you will know what I am talking aobut.

sorry to souind so harsh, but that is exdactly the reason why many breeders REFUSE to sell to people with small children,.


Wow:thumbdown

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddy-licious (Post 1732551)
I feel for you but I have a solution....or at least it worked beautifully for us!! I have posted recently about Buddy barking, chatting, growling, jabbering, etc....he was driving us crazy. Someone posted to put coins in a coke can (cover the top with duct tape) ....every time Buddy started in on one of his "chatty cathy" stages we would shake the can and say, NO BARK!! It worked the first time we did it!!!!:D :D :D My DH keeps a can beside his chair and I have one beside my chair....if Buddy starts barking & jabbering we shake the can and he immediately STOPS!!!! We were amazed!!! Also works with the door bell....when the door bell rings we shake the can and say, "no bark"!!! He has now stopped barking at the door bell!!!!:D :D
I only used the cans for about 2 or 3 days and the jabbering/barking stopped!!! Now I just have to say, "no bark"!!! It was a miracle solution for us!!!

(I need to thank Ms. Carol (her Yorkie is also named Buddy) for this suggestion)!!!

BUT.....I do think you need to address the issue with your son too....he has to do his part too. He cannot continue to upset your furbaby!!! Good Luck!!!!

Thank you... Good suggestion. And I am trying with my son, but I understand why he so upset. He just started telling me that I love the dogs more than him. So I need to reassure him that I love him just as much as I love my dogs:( I didn't know he was feeling this way:( I spend a lot of time with my babies so now I need to find something to do with just him:)

Erin 02-04-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1732646)
Thank you... Good suggestion. And I am trying with my son, but I understand why he so upset. He just started telling me that I love the dogs more than him. So I need to reassure him that I love him just as much as I love my dogs:( I didn't know he was feeling this way:( I spend a lot of time with my babies so now I need to find something to do with just him:)

There was a girl in several of my rally classes who was maybe 11 at the oldest and trained her big goofy lab all by herself (with her parent's supervision of course) Every week she came with the dog and did all of the tricks. Sometimes mom came, sometimes dad, sometimes both... but come the Rally trial she was the one in the ring with her dog. This girl is going to have be a champion handler one day, but it just showed me how kids can learn to respect dogs and dogs can listen to kids. Try letting him give her a special yummy treat for doing commands. My husband thought Loki was boring and then all of the sudden he started teaching him tricks. I'd come home from the grocery store and he will have taught Loki a new trick like crawl or wave. We are working on a local political campaign right now and he even taught Loki to wave his paw when we say "Vote for John!" and growl when we say "What do you think of Bill?" They had to bond in their own special way I guess. Maybe that's what you need to figure out?

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Erin (Post 1732704)
There was a girl in several of my rally classes who was maybe 11 at the oldest and trained her big goofy lab all by herself (with her parent's supervision of course) Every week she came with the dog and did all of the tricks. Sometimes mom came, sometimes dad, sometimes both... but come the Rally trial she was the one in the ring with her dog. This girl is going to have be a champion handler one day, but it just showed me how kids can learn to respect dogs and dogs can listen to kids. Try letting him give her a special yummy treat for doing commands. My husband thought Loki was boring and then all of the sudden he started teaching him tricks. I'd come home from the grocery store and he will have taught Loki a new trick like crawl or wave. We are working on a local political campaign right now and he even taught Loki to wave his paw when we say "Vote for John!" and growl when we say "What do you think of Bill?" They had to bond in their own special way I guess. Maybe that's what you need to figure out?

That is too funny about his voting lol

I have taught her sit and down and i'm working on stay. Maybe i'll try to let him teach her to shake or something fun... Maybe that will alow her to trust him and him to like her:D It is definitely worth a shot:D

I Love Bailey 02-04-2008 07:00 PM

Why don't you try signing up your dog for a training class and have your son come to help?
He would then find some positive ways to interact with her and maybe learn to teach her a trick ot two?

LBrooks323 02-04-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1732627)
She is 1 year 7 months

Well, she is not a puppy anymore. That is what I wanted to be sure of. Of my 2 yorkies, one plays very well with my 4 year old stepson. The other one can only take him in small doses. He is very energetic like your son. But my stepson is loud and somewhat forceful. I have taught both of them to respect each other's space. I would not allow my dog to approach my son with the intention of biting. If he were abusing the dog or threatning, I could understand. But my dogs are not allowed to approach a human in a threatning manner. Period. I am the pack leader. Loud noises are no excuse. If he is jumping off the couch and he's not watching out if she is underfoot, then I would get him for that. But for your dog to take charge and decide she is going to bite or get him because he is getting on her nerves; no mam'. When my male was younger and my stepson came for a visit, I could tell when my dog was getting too anxious and I would put him in his crate for a while. Not for punishment, but because that was his space. In time he learned to get away from my stepson when the noise became too much. Dogs, like people, have to learn the proper way to deal with different situations, pleasant or not, in an acceptable way. If he is picking on your dog or almost harming her, then yes, make him stop by all means. Teach him to cool it if she is too close while he is jumping around, etc. But you will have to teach your dog that if he is just annoying her, she is NOT to take matters into her own hands and "correct" him. You are in charge, not the child or the dog. Hope this helps.

yoyo27 02-04-2008 07:36 PM

This is a 6 yr old kid. The jumping is scaring the dog and she could get hurt. What about a gate to keep her in an area you are studying with a place to lay down and relax and some toys. That way you son can go in another room and jump if need be and no harm is done. But he doesn't need to be loud as yorkies have very keen ears and loud noises really bother them. But I agree that there needs to be limits on both of there parts. You are the one in charge and need to set the limits and make sure they are followed. What does you son do when you are studying? Maybe that is a good time for him to do a movie or something calmer. My grandaugther is 2yrs old. When she comes to my house with the dog and wants to be around the dog. She has to sit and let the dog come to her. There is no running in the house or jumping. And she has went with me to walk the dog and has learned how to do that very well. Now her parents have a hard time dealing with this hyper kid because she is use to ruling them. Its all in the training on both sides and they both have to respect each other. You need to reinforce that.

Pup-e-Love 02-04-2008 08:53 PM

Did your yorkie come to your house as a puppy?

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LBrooks323 (Post 1733024)
Well, she is not a puppy anymore. That is what I wanted to be sure of. Of my 2 yorkies, one plays very well with my 4 year old stepson. The other one can only take him in small doses. He is very energetic like your son. But my stepson is loud and somewhat forceful. I have taught both of them to respect each other's space. I would not allow my dog to approach my son with the intention of biting. If he were abusing the dog or threatning, I could understand. But my dogs are not allowed to approach a human in a threatning manner. Period. I am the pack leader. Loud noises are no excuse. If he is jumping off the couch and he's not watching out if she is underfoot, then I would get him for that. But for your dog to take charge and decide she is going to bite or get him because he is getting on her nerves; no mam'. When my male was younger and my stepson came for a visit, I could tell when my dog was getting too anxious and I would put him in his crate for a while. Not for punishment, but because that was his space. In time he learned to get away from my stepson when the noise became too much. Dogs, like people, have to learn the proper way to deal with different situations, pleasant or not, in an acceptable way. If he is picking on your dog or almost harming her, then yes, make him stop by all means. Teach him to cool it if she is too close while he is jumping around, etc. But you will have to teach your dog that if he is just annoying her, she is NOT to take matters into her own hands and "correct" him. You are in charge, not the child or the dog. Hope this helps.

Thank you it does:D

For My Coby 02-04-2008 09:12 PM

You've gotten good advice already. I agree with much of it. You have to protect your yorkie from an exuberant 6 year old. Both need boundaries. And I think it would be great if you regrouped as pack leader but got your son to buy into it by giving him some training jobs. So lots of support and best of luck to ya!

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pup-e-Love (Post 1733258)
Did your yorkie come to your house as a puppy?

They were already over a year old... They had never been socialized, they had never seen children, they had never even been outdoors:( When I got them they were terrified of EVERYTHING!!! The have come along way, it has only been 7 months.

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by For My Coby (Post 1733298)
You've gotten good advice already. I agree with much of it. You have to protect your yorkie from an exuberant 6 year old. Both need boundaries. And I think it would be great if you regrouped as pack leader but got your son to buy into it by giving him some training jobs. So lots of support and best of luck to ya!


I agree!!!:D I have gotten outstanding advise:D I told him i was going to let him teach her to shake and his attitude has already changed toward her:D

For My Coby 02-04-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1733338)
I agree!!!:D I have gotten outstanding advise:D I told him i was going to let him teach her to shake and his attitude has already changed toward her:D

Outstanding!! I see a new relationship in their future!! :thumbup:

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 09:53 PM

Just so everyone knows... My babies are my world!!! I would NEVER, NEVER, let anything happen to them. When my son is jumping around she is either in my lap or next to me. My babies do not leave my side for a second (I even have 1 that gets in the shower with me lol). I would never let anything happen, they are not left alone with ANY children, even mine because accidents can happen.

I do find it odd however that there are a few members on this Forum that are not much older than my son that own their own Yorkie and they are welcomed with open arms, but I ask for help and I get "Your dog is wise to hate your son" and "that is exdactly the reason why many breeders REFUSE to sell to people with small children" I was very hurt by this:(

Thank you all so much for the great suggestions:D I will keep you updated on what works:D

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by For My Coby (Post 1733343)
Outstanding!! I see a new relationship in their future!! :thumbup:


lets hope :D :D

For My Coby 02-04-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Proud Mommy (Post 1733404)
Just so everyone knows... My babies are my world!!! I would NEVER, NEVER, let anything happen to them. When my son is jumping around she is either in my lap or next to me. My babies do not leave my side for a second (I even have 1 that gets in the shower with me lol). I would never let anything happen, they are not left alone with ANY children, even mine because accidents can happen.

I do find it odd however that there are a few members on this Forum that are not much older than my son that own their own Yorkie and they are welcomed with open arms, but I ask for help and I get "Your dog is wise to hate your son" and "that is exdactly the reason why many breeders REFUSE to sell to people with small children" I was very hurt by this:(

Thank you all so much for the great suggestions:D I will keep you updated on what works:D

Just my opinion - unfortunately, for us to tell every important detail of our stories (i.e., "when my son is jumping around she is either in my lap or next to me"), we would have to write chapters to give the background information. Forums are tricky, and it's tough whether we're the poster or the responder.

Please keep us updated to your progess. Sounds like you've done wonders since you've had her. It's just on to the next step....

Proud Mommy 02-04-2008 10:18 PM

Ok so we just tried a treat :D He looked at me funny when I told him I wanted him to run into the room:eek: He is so use to me saying no running and quiet.

So as soon as she barked he told her "No" and gave her a treat when she stoped. We did it 5 times, by the 5th one he couldn't get her to bark:D :D So I told him "we are going to do this for a few days to help her understand that you aren't trying to hurt her." I told him as soon as she learns that she doesn't have to be afraid of him we will teach he to shake:D He is very excited:D


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