Please help with serious potty training
 

I had the puppy in the washroom with paper and peepee pad, he choosed to pee on his bed. Then I boxed him in the crate, he pooped and pee in there three times. I have spent since 10am taking this puppy out, he has just refused to do it. I have taken his peepaper, and poop and put it outside so he can smell it, he just wont do it. Now he is peeing and pooping in his box and it is small, so he is wollowing in it.

Please help, I hear dogs will never soil their sleeping area why is he doing this where he sleeps. He has been taking out and walked and int he same place over and over and over again since 10am, and all day yesterday hour on the hour. He just wont even drip one drop of pee outside. he only knows the surface of the house, tile, wood and carpet, those are what he learned to eliminate apparently.

Now he is eliminating in his box, what can I do, i am very upset as I didnt expect him to do this. He is being taking out so much and so frequently that I cant see why he will still do this here. Apparently he also pooped in his bed and that was ok I suppose. The blanket the man gave me smells horrid of poop. I have now washed it, but it came smelling of strong poop. So I guess he was never taught it was wrong.

Please help me, I love this puppy and I want to help him but I am no expert in this kind of behavior.

is this normal for a dog his age? If he will soil his crate now what other option do I have? He has thus far soiled all areas I have tried him in :(

so since his arrival on Sat he has only soiled the house and his sleeping areas. he has not once trickled outside or pooped. Only inside. Please somebody, help:(

Again I have taken him out three times since this last post and all for at least mininum 20 minutes, he just wont do it otuside no matter what, I even took Bandit to show him he is not interested to do it at all. i dont know what more to do

You didn't say how old he is, but I suspect it's normal for a puppy to do this. Keep in mind you've had him for less than 48 hours. It's going to take some time to get him acquainted with his surroundings, and the rules in the new house. You need to try not to get so frustrated with him, be patient, and praise him when he does go in the correct place.

Yes on my other topics I did. he is 5.5 months. I am now back again after another 30 minutes out there with him and still nothing, not a drop and the thing is this, his last urine was 11:30 of which he did in the bed that is SOON after being brought in from refusing to do it, so now it is 6:55 that is WAYYYYYYYYY over due. he has pooped several times inside tho. Have him on the patio which is enclosed with some paper, he is still refusing to do it there. But if I only let him in the washroom he will do it like the niagra falls:rolleyes:

I am showing frustration here, but not to him, I am being vey soft and gentle and no showing him or even feeling angry. Only when I come here.

I woudl praise him with a whole chicken if he will JUST go once outside, he has not done any elimination this far out of the house, only inside.

I forgot to mention this, if I should bring him back in and he does it where he is not supposed to again and that is after being out again for another 20 minutes, what should I do, take him back out right after taht or what? I am heading back out again. I have not even eaten today only a cup of coffee:(

Check health board, I do not know if that has anything to do with the potty problems.:mad:

I thought you said he was trained, Have you called the breeder to make sure he does not have health issues, maybe the breeder can help, I would call and ask about his potty habits. he is new to your home, its going to take time.

Did you get him from a reputable breeder? Sometimes when dogs come from puppy mills, they have no choice but to soil in their sleeping areas... nobody lets them out. While they have the instinct (I assume) not to, they probably can't hold it very long.

I think the key to potty training is prevention. I know you said you've been taking him out frequently, keep doing that. Also, while he is out of his crate.. WATCH HIM LIKE A HAWK! The minute you see a sniff or circle, scoop him up and take him outside. I know it can be very frustrating but I think patience and persistence is the key.

I would also put him on a feeding schedule if he isn't already. Potty first thing in the morning. Then feed breakfast. I've heard that dogs usually have to go about 15-20 minutes right after they eat although in my experience, it's closer to 45 minutes to an hour. Take him out after naps, heavy drinking, and heavy playtime. And then every hour or so like you are currently doing. I would also limit food and water a couple of hours before bed so that he doesn't have to go throughout the night.

Lastly, is his bedding fabric? I've heard that when crate training a puppy, you shouldn't use any blankets or towels because they are more prone to pee on absorbent surfaces. Also, if peeing and pooping in his crate was more uncomfortable for him, he might do it less.

Just be patient and keep at it. One day (even by accident), he'll go outside and when he does... go CRAZY! :D Praise and treat like never before and eventually he'll get the idea.

Good luck.

I just bought a big cage for my 4 the other day, they've all been doing really well, well, I got up this morning, after my hubby had already gotten them out of the cage, and one of them had pooped in the cage...:mad:

my layla is 5 months old.i take her out soon as she wakes up and then i time the next time and that seems to be working.how long are you out side with him?puppies seem to have to go as soon as they wake from a nap or wake from their night sleep.so far layla is doing ok but she still has a few acidents during the day if i dont catch her in time.soon as she gos out side i prase her then bring her in and give her a small treat.il say good girl you peepeed out side.then for the next time il say who has to pee pee out side and she will go to the door. you have to remember at 5 months they are babies and its going to take some time. good luck to you:confused:

id say you need to feed him and right after he eats go play with him outside for as long as it takes for him to go potty, make sure you have a couple hours to spare. once he goes praise and treats like nuts. you need something to build on and right now your walking on quick sand. taking him out every 30-45 minutes is a must. i take my new girl out every hour and man are my legs strong from walking up and down our stairs.

Yes I did and he is registerd and was intended for a show but his bite went off.I was in the man#s house and he is not a puppy mill he is a reputable breeder and a friend of the breeder of Bandit. His dogs are all champions he does not have that many. If anything as I said on some other topic is that he is SPOILT badly

Yes, we put nice soft fleece for him, so I am giong now now now to remove it

I guess you dont know who did the nasty right? None will tell:mad: . this is driving me nuts, he has only peed and pooped in his cage or box, and bluntly refuses to do it on the grass, gravel, or any other surface but the bedding area:mad:

I will continue to take him out, hubby just took him out again and it is 11:50pm near midnite, he will wake and take himout at 2am and then at 5 when he wakes. it is not like he is being deprived of being let out:mad:

So tomorrow I feel to bring a chair and sit on the road with him the whole day LOL:D it really is frustrating and annoying especially when you are trying you damdest to make sure he does not or she does not do it where they shoul not.:mad:

As I said and will say again, I have been out since ten am eachhour on the hour for minimum 20 minutes most of the time 30 or more I spent my entire day until about 8:30 pm on the street with him. then hubby came home nad spent long periods with him and stil nothing.

Taht is what I did, I spent the entire day on the street with him more or less. He was taken out each hour on the hour for 20 to 30 or more minutes for the entire day, still nothing, after play, nothing, after large amounts of water, still nothing, EATING a heap still nothing, just nothing at all refused to do it, but as soon as he get a few seconds in side he does it in his bedding

Are you taking him out with your other dog, I have only had shy for 5 weeks and he caught on by following my other babies, he did have a couple accidents the first 2 weeks, but since then he has learned the ropes and now follows the others, he is only 5mths to, so i know he cant hold it all night like the others yet, so i get up and take him out everynight around 2pm.. good luck, keep working on it, he will catch on.

By "box," do you mean cardboard box (eek!)? Or is he really in a crate (metal/high grade plastic)? If he's in a cardboard box, that might be why he's eliminating inside...

If he's in a crate, you have to somehow have him realize he's supposed to sleep in there. Maybe entice him with a treat when he's tired? Make sure you're letting him out every two hours at least.

Good luck!

See the topic on health board please. The puppy is coming from a very tiny mountain French village, and is now in a big city with trains and busses, cars, motobikes people and the works, he is more in a concrete environment and was grown up in the country. I dont know if this has a lot to do with it, but stil he can very well go on paper rather than his bedding

Not is is like a crate without a lid and ventilated, I call it a box as it is shaped as a box, so when he is in this he can see me and stand and observe the world, he is only in the covered crate to sleep, either way he poos and pees in both of them

Yeah, sure we are and he can care less if Bandit does his business, he is not even smelling at it or anything. he does not show fright of any kind, he is not shaking or jumpy he just can care less

I administered a homopathic med last night to Bijou that vet said was ok and is being given to Bandit currently to help cope with Scooby's death and probably will help him with this new adjustment.

Well I have my fingers crossed that this has a bit to do with what happened with Bijou. He cried big time to be let out to poo at 5am and did some in the crate but most on the drive way as he couldnt reach the designated area quick enough, he had the runs. then at 8am I put him out on the patio as he cried in his box again, he vomited his bfast then peed, so I would say the vomit may have been due to the stress of him now realizing he is eliminating someplace other than his box or crate. the food was whole he didnt chew it and vomited it back up. he eats rather fast. So he peed one time out of the house, patio or not, it was not in the house YAYYYYY, pitty I didnt see him do it to cheer him on. then the poo this morning. So since he has incredible holding power it seems as his last urine was at 9:45 last night to 8am, he didnt do it last night in his crate.

I will take him out in 1.5 hours so he can now see it is to be done outside. Crossing my fingers that this is the beginning of his realization that he is in a new home, and maybe the med did help him relax a bit more:thumbup:

I see he is doing better now...but I was thinking that you might be interested in buying him a big x-pen that he can stay in while he is in the house..you can cover the whole bottom with a tarp or disposible table cloth so if he misses the pee pads he wont mess on the flooring...I thought he and Bandit came from the same breeder...but you say this is a friend of the breeder you got him from??

Dawn

No, I never once said he came from the same breeder:) . I said he shares the same father as Bandit. The breeder of Bandit is in Switzerland and sent her Stud to France to mate with Bijou's mother who is a friend of the breeder in Switzerland, hence they share the same father............BIG Expen? Dont you think bigger is making him have more room to eliminate when he shouldnt? I have the crate near me so he sees me and smells me. he is not caged up the whole time but now is nap time so both are sleeping. I just got in from walking them both, he saw Bandit poo so maybe in time he may realize it is outside to do it, these high breed Poms are very intelligent, so I am giving him the benefit of any doubts I may have.

I said a big xpen because it might be something you would want to keep him in until he housebroken or pee pad trained. If he was kept outside for 30 mins and didnt go potty then going in his crate on himself I was thinking an xpen would keep him off your carpets yet give him plently of room so he didnt mess on himself...its worth a shot and then he isnt caged in a small crate..

Dawn

Again, he is not crated all day, he is now back out of his crate and with bandit in the wash room which is fairly big. He and Bandit just made peepee on the patio, I know this is not the optimal but since he didnt do it outside I tried it there and it worked. This is how i also trained bandit when he moved from paper to ppeepad then outside. Hopefully he will realize peepee equals PLAY time, no peepee equals crating:eek:

:) You take him out at night at 2:00 p.m Did you mean 2:00 A.M.??:D

LMAO yes, 2 AM:D hahaha

Ok, boys are awake now, potty time again:D , they are sleeping so beautifully together, Bandit has truly adopted him maybe as his little bro and not the competition :thumbup:

I didnt mean to say that he WAS crated all day...I just offered it as an alternative to a crate which I know your husband hates him to be in...plus it would give him the option of being able to run around but not have the entire run of the house...it was just a thought..

Dawn

Sure I know this:D