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Old 11-18-2009, 01:49 PM   #121
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first of all Dixie was not one of my puppies it belong to a friend of mine. And she replaced the puppy for her free of charge and let her keep Dixie. Nothing in life is perfect we all know this anyone can have a puppy with a flaw this could go back several generations and i know for a fact the lady that owner her never bred that pair of dogs again and retired the female from breeding as well as the male because she got this flaw. So this was all taken care of. Also she called the lady who purchased Dixie's sister and let her keep that puppy since she bought her as a breeder and told her she had to be spayed and she replaced that puppy to So i think this lady did all that she could to pevent this from happening again
Did you forget you convinced me the shunt came from the mothers side and SOLD me another female with a different mother and the same father as Dixie...Beau? Also I had NO IDEA you did not breed these dogs until I got the papers, it was YOUR contract I signed I have the contract if you need to see it.
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The women I work with have been sexually abused usually from a very young age and over years. They have been forced into prostitution which is a much harder form of abuse to handle because it is not just one person that does this to you. The women I work with have to work their way up to even starting to open up to another person. One well known psychiatrist who works exclusively with these victims has a small dog he takes with him into his office during his sessions. He says the women will often learn to talk to the dog and then work their way up to him. Where I got the idea when I started working with these types of women over 24 years ago. Whether you think it helps these women or not to be around dogs is not the issue. I am a good parent of pets and have been so all my life. The 1000s of women I work with have found benefit from being exposed to my small pets. But I am about to be referred even more who are mostly under the age of 18 and my one little dog isn't enough. For 24 years now I have helped many many victims. I know what I am doing. I also know how to take good care of dogs or any pet. I came here not to just get a few yorkies by someone who would let me make payments on their sales price but also to get the breeding, training and other advice and support I thought I could get from this community. None of anything I said was a lie or a story. You readers have just been twisting everything out of shape and accusing me of saying things I never said or taking things completely out of context or jumping to paranoid conclusions. I thought we were on the same side, caring about the yorkies and also caring about helping women with some of the benefits yorkies offer no differently than if I bought a german shephard to train to be a drug sniffing dog to work with me at the airport. These yorkies will be working with me to help damaged women get better after their ordeals under my supervision in the same way as the k9 dogs would do for the airports and no one accuses them of these things.
Go away already....if by now anyone sells you a puppy you are gonna be lucky! If someone does be sure to post it so I know who I can shun permenately!!!
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Did you forget you convinced me the shunt came from the mothers side and SOLD me another female with a different mother and the same father as Dixie...Beau? Also I had NO IDEA you did not breed these dogs until I got the papers, it was YOUR contract I signed I have the contract if you need to see it.
Dixie I believe ya totally...nothing Natalie can say now to make me change my mind on her....my gut feelings were right and you just confirmed them.
I hope your babies are doing good
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The women I work with have been sexually abused usually from a very young age and over years...
Okay, LISTEN.

Normally, I would NOT put this out there for the whole damn board to see but this is getting ridiculous and now I feel compelled to expose myself in the interest of ADVOCACY for animals.

I AM A SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND CHILD ABUSE. GOT IT?

You are not the only person on this board with insight to this matter.

I DO NOT see the linear logic of BREEDING YORKIES for THERAPY for women who've suffered from sexual abuse.

Therapy animals utilized IN THERAPY by THERAPISTS are a good thing and I understand that process.

Today, you have been talking about TRADE/JOB-TRAINING sexual abuse survivors in GROOMING, DOG TRAINING, AND INDISCRIMINATE DOG BREEDING. Please don't try to talk in circles because I can follow you wherever you want to take the story. And btw, if you do think job training will help heal sexual abuse, you may want to explore that further, bc I can't even imagine that path being healing in the way that you're explaining it .

Okay, I'm done being "Ann, just the person" now and will step back into my Moderator shoes. I need to go take a walk around my office now.
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Dixie I believe ya totally...nothing Natalie can say now to make me change my mind on her....my gut feelings were right and you just confirmed them.
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Yep, to that!
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I asked for teacups not about money. I asked about teacups because the women I work with adore them. Most of them live alone and have small homes or apartments that have a 25 lb limit on the dogs they can own. No point in working with them to bond with a dog they can't keep. These women find teacups useful as they can take them with them when they see their therapist, are in the hospital recooperating from a beating or rape and the nurses don't mind, and they can take the dogs everywhere when they go out shopipng for example without leaving them home alone. These women also suffer from a great deal of anxiety and I have seen how being able to have the teacup with them allows them to keep the dog by their side without people at even restaurants complaining. A big dog would not accomplish this. Besides, I do have a very selfish reason for asking for that also. I am on SSI because of bad knees and a bad back. I have to be able to lift these dogs a lot, especially to give them regular bathes. I can not lift a big dog over and over day after day without straining my back. Nor can I handle walking a dog big enough to yank me all over the park. So these are the reasons why I want a small, or teacup, set of yorkies.
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Okay, LISTEN.

Normally, I would NOT put this out there for the whole damn board to see but this is getting ridiculous and now I feel compelled to expose myself in the interest of ADVOCACY for animals.

I AM A SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND CHILD ABUSE. GOT IT?

You are not the only person on this board with insight to this matter.

I DO NOT see the linear logic of BREEDING YORKIES for THERAPY for women who've suffered from sexual abuse.

Therapy animals utilized IN THERAPY by THERAPISTS are a good thing and I understand that process.

Today, you have been talking about TRADE/JOB-TRAINING sexual abuse survivors in GROOMING, DOG TRAINING, AND INDISCRIMINATE DOG BREEDING. Please don't try to talk in circles because I can follow you wherever you want to take the story. And btw, if you do think job training will help heal sexual abuse, you may want to explore that further, bc I can't even imagine that path being healing in the way that you're explaining it .

Okay, I'm done being "Ann, just the person" now and will step back into my Moderator shoes. I need to go take a walk around my office now.
Thanks Ann....you aren't alone and it takes alot to say that on a public forum....
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Okay, LISTEN.

Normally, I would NOT put this out there for the whole damn board to see but this is getting ridiculous and now I feel compelled to expose myself in the interest of ADVOCACY for animals.

I AM A SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL ABUSE AND CHILD ABUSE. GOT IT?

You are not the only person on this board with insight to this matter.

I DO NOT see the linear logic of BREEDING YORKIES for THERAPY for women who've suffered from sexual abuse.

Therapy animals utilized IN THERAPY by THERAPISTS are a good thing and I understand that process.

Today, you have been talking about TRADE/JOB-TRAINING sexual abuse survivors in GROOMING, DOG TRAINING, AND INDISCRIMINATE DOG BREEDING. Please don't try to talk in circles because I can follow you wherever you want to take the story. And btw, if you do think job training will help heal sexual abuse, you may want to explore that further, bc I can't even imagine that path being healing in the way that you're explaining it .

Okay, I'm done being "Ann, just the person" now and will step back into my Moderator shoes. I need to go take a walk around my office now.
Well said, thank you for speaking up. That was brave of you. Hugs
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You are NOT going to find a puppy here on YT. Got it? Go away!!
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Dixie I believe ya totally...nothing Natalie can say now to make me change my mind on her....my gut feelings were right and you just confirmed them.
I hope your babies are doing good
I had no intentions of saying anything about what happened to me with this breeder because I felt I was partically to blame. But when read her post about having a good heart and donating dogs.. Well lets say I am Pi$$ed!(sorry)! My girls are doing fine the female that I purchased that has the same father as my Dixie has produced a little girl that has some genetic issue that we have yet to figure out she has had several tests done and has shown to be normal in that aspect however she is not able to walk well and we believe it to be neurolgic.She is hanging in there and we are praying..alot!!!
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Go away already....if by now anyone sells you a puppy you are gonna be lucky! If someone does be sure to post it so I know who I can shun permenately!!!
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I never said the women I work with are not also receiving licensed psychiatric care. All of them do. All of them see therapists and doctors and social workers and counselors and go to 12 step meetings. I never said the yorkie thing was the WHOLE program I offer.

I have more than one nonprofit I am a part of just as some of you have more than one job. Some have 5013c status and some dont' The one I can offer a receipt for is tax exempt. I also offered payments so I am not trying to get anything for free. Some people prefer to hold onto the receipt so they can deduct it off their taxes until I pay them cash and then tear up the receipt.

I don't know who has puppies off the right age. So I ran more than one ad in more than one site. So shoot me. Most people do run more than one ad in more than one place when they want something. Some of the breeders were not in Nevada, but some were in CA where my aunt lives. To avoid putting the dog on a plane, for their safety, I said if anyone in CA had a yorkie I could have my aunt pick them up and drive them to me in Nevada. I never said I wanted another dog for my aunt to own.

I also don.t know where this puppy mill thing is coming from. I said I wanted a breeding pair. Yes I have bred yorkies before and because of that I know sometimes a couple don't get along. I helped my grandmother breed poodles too and know the same thing. I would like to try and get a pair bred. I came here because between the vet who is offering full medical care, I wanted some advice and support for those late night hours and to learn more so I could learn more and not have to make the vet do everything. I would like to learn more and cant without trying. I never said anything other than maybe one or maybe two litters. I am not starting a puppy mill and if that is what I wanted I would not have come here. I came here to get good advice and guidance. Puppy mill people don't do that.

I never said I was going to adopt the pups without them being spayed. That is what the vet said they would do. I just asked for the parents to be able to breed.

I never said I was going to adopt a dog into the hands of an unstable person. I said tbey would be coming over to help me with them and watch to learn more. No you can not get grants for this unless the person has some experience. Experience which they can get with me and then I can help them get grants to get into more formal schools.

I never said this was a cure all for abused women. Every survivor needs something different. Which also means there are some who can't trust people at all to open up to get help because of the severity of the abuse at the hands of more than one person. In those cases, learning to trust the dog helps them to open up to people to get the right help.

I never said I wanted to become a career breeder. I want to breed maybe one or two litters under the mentorship of my vet and maybe other breeders. I was hoping if one of the girls showed a real knack for it one of you might consider taking her on as an intern.

I just can't get over the way everything is being completely turned into something it isn't here. I understand you are worried about protecting your yorkies. But I can provide you will all kinds of evidence they would be in great hands.

Everyone is jumping to attack without even getting the facts straight first. It's like you were fine when I was asking to get a pair on payments, but as soon as everyone found out the women I was going to use the yorkies to help everyone wants me to leave which also cuts them off.

Using a dog to help someone heal is no more exploiting a dog than a german shephard being trained to be a drug sniffing dog. Only letting abused girls spend time with them to feel love is less dangerous.

You all should be ashamed of yourself by trashing me unjustly this way.

All that means is I have to find some elsewhere and be deprived of the advice and guidance offered here.

You say you care about yorkies, yet you would rather I go out there and do this without benefit of your vast experience and guidance and mentoring and without you being able to check in on them whenever you want to see how it is gonig.

How is that best for the dogs?
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If you want to teach these women a trade, open up a business similar to Build A Bear..that is the ONLY animals you should be dealing with. You can make all kinds and even puppies! Stuff them and love them. And not be exploiting them.
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I came here to get good advice and guidance.
Then why aren't you *hearing* it?

Jody, in my eyes, you are not *getting* it at all.

A true healer, a person truly interested in healing would not go out seeking intact dogs for the purpose of breeding as therapy. And seeking just any dogs - posting all over, in for sale sections, in RESCUE sections, whereEVER.

HOW HEALING do you think it would be for a RESCUE dog to go through BREEDING? Do you think it would be healing for an abuse survivor to be forced into pregnancy too????

A true healer would find an altered rescue dog who also needs healing --> heal and love that dog FIRST, and then see if that dog WANTED to heal others as part of its journey. END of story.

Frankly, as a sexual abuse survivor myself, I find many of your remarks about survivors cavalier, flippant, and downright naive.
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Everything you are saying is not accurate about what this is about. Also, not everyone is capable of attending a regular trade school. I am also not exploiting an animal anymore than when the ASPCA runs the commercials of the abused animals to raise money for their work, or PETA shows abused animals to solicit donations, or they train german shephards to work with police. I am not doing any exploiting. I am looking for a pair of yorkies that I can own and breed. During that time, I have many of these young girls at my house for counseling, meetings, etc. It is time for them to spend with the dogs to get some unconditional love. If having them around to offer unconditional love to people who really need it is exploitive, then most pet owners are guilty. As for some of the programs you mentioned, they don't exist in Tonopah or for at least 300 miles from here. You really should see what I was wanting to do before jumping on me over something that has nothing to do with it.
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