Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4350003)

Did you read Judy's post here? She not one time offered this OP a refund of money. She offered her another pup from the same litter who if this is a genetic problem could end up with the same issues. She offered to pay only for the parasite issues if she got the papers from the vet. We are not just taking another persons word for this but Judy's own words.

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky (Post 4350012)

Judy should come here and defend herself and not send a legal eagle who is trying to scare us all. As for Sheila, I have known her for some time on YT and we shared many personal and emotional mails in the past re the loss of our beloved pets. She had the illness long before this situation arose, and I believe Judy understood and saw she was sick…and why she wanted a pet again. Sheila is a sweet person who would not have posted her experience with Max unless she was totally frustrated with the unfeeling breeder, with whom she thought she had a good relationship. I do know that money must be paramount to Judy and trump any emotion or empathy for people, otherwise she would let Max stay where he is and recompense Sheila for her sick pup, contract or no.
Things always get nasty when the law is involved!!!!

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350011)

You are taking the word of the OP. Have you seen proof of the issues being alleged? I'm not saying that even though we work hard to breed a litter free of health issues, something can't happen. I, personally, want to have the vet reports before I can take any action. When you confront a breeder with this you provide documents.
I have personally known this breeder for years. How do you know the OP? From YT? How can you be involved in ruining a good persons reputation when you don't know either side personally?

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4349999)

. She needs to return the pup for a full refund as offered by the breeder who I might add is yet to see a vet report.

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350013)

Judy, didn't send me, she didn't have to. Read your own words, they validate what I have been saying about the relationships involved. I applaud you for sticking up for your internet friend.
The law was involved when the contract was agreed upon.

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350024)

How can Judy appropriately respond to anything without documentation of the accusations?
Look at the posts... You all have taken words not actual finding and judged. Judy had explained to me that taking the puppy back and issuing a refund was an option given to the OP. I understand this is hearsay and I am asking you not to judge someone on that very same thing, my apologies.

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4350025)

So you know, I have read a couple of the things Judy said to Sheila in her emails to her and they at one time thought she was going to take Max back and give a refund and due to Sheila's health problems they decided maybe it was best although they love him very much. But then she decided NOPE no refund replacement only or nothing. So yes you are going by your friends word and I understand that but maybe you should ask her to see the emails she sent Sheila.

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350027)

Were the emails "forwarded" to you? I do not need to see the emails however, it may be interesting to compare.

Originally Posted by theporkieyorkie (Post 4349878)

Maybe you and Maxwell found each other for a reason...you both need each other. You need him to help you get through your illness and he needs you to help him through his.

Who knows what would have happened to him had someone else adopted him. Would they have taken him to the vet right away to even know he was sick?? Would they have wanted or been able to do the surgery?? Who knows what would have happened if the breeder had said yes to returning him for a refund when you originally ask for it...would she have got him medical help?? Would she just put him to sleep, or would she just adopt him out to some other unsuspecting person?? Had anything happened differently....who knows what the fate of this little guy would be.


Try not to stress out too much and let the powers that be(AKC, YTCA, and the BBB) take care of the breeder. The show/breeding community isn't very big and world will travel fast about the way she's handled everything.

I am hoping you get some good news tomorrow on Max's condition. Hopefully, it hasn't impacted his other eye yet. I am sure once you get him through this trying time, he will return the favor tenfold by being your devoted companion who will sit by your side, giving unconditional love and affection while you battle your own illness. It's truly amazing how healing and soothing the love of an animal can be. I hope you get to experience that magic with Max.

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350024)

How can Judy appropriately respond to anything without documentation of the accusations?
Look at the posts... You all have taken words not actual finding and judged. Judy had explained to me that taking the puppy back and issuing a refund was an option given to the OP. I understand this is hearsay and I am asking you not to judge someone on that very same thing, my apologies.

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350024)

How can Judy appropriately respond to anything without documentation of the accusations?
Look at the posts... You all have taken words not actual finding and judged. Judy had explained to me that taking the puppy back and issuing a refund was an option given to the OP. I understand this is hearsay and I am asking you not to judge someone on that very same thing, my apologies.

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 4350040)

Your friend Judy lied to you, because she sent my husband a nasty e-mail telling him that she had a contract for a reason and she said she would not give him a refund, to bring Max back and she would give him the female.

He didn't even ask her to reimburse us for the medical bills, which for the
1st two visits were close to $250.00.

How come your friend hasn't come on here and said she offered us a refund?

If she had offered us a refund, I wouldn't have posted my review, and I had absolutely no reason to lie and say that Maxwell has Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, and had yeast infections in both ears, and Giadia!!!

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4350032)

They were sent to me in messages. Personally I do not know the breeder and I really don't want to see anyones reputation ruined but many a wonderful breeder here including many highly respected show breeders have given Judy very good advice about her contract and even those she has not seen fit to respond to. I don't think anyone here at YT is trying to be malicious. We all want what is best for little Max and for Sheila. We are a caring community not here to crucify anyone and we would love to know why Judy does not see fit to first of all have the genetic testing done on her breeding pairs and also to adapt her contract to make sure all her puppies, show prospect or pet have the very best life they can. Money should not be the primary concern of a good show breeder or any breeder who truly loves their dogs.

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 4350047)

This is the e-mail that Judy sent to my husband.

You know I am very disappointed . I have a contract for a reason. You knew that when you bought Max .I really like Shelia and I am sorry for her illness. I have mailed AKC papers to you and the ownership can't be changed until you register him and then return the papers to me . I never give papers on a puppy until they are spayed or netured but I did it for Shelia . You have told me I did not send the real picture of Treasure which you saw her when you were here !Basically you have called me a liar .Now you want a refund , not a replacement puppy? I still have the tiny female and 1 other small male . I.will let you have either one of them . I will take Max back but by my contracts terms . I am sorry but that is all I will do .if I had known he had any problems at all I would of never offered him to you . If you want to return him let me know what day so someone is here.[/QUOTE


Check all the punctuation placements.... Enough said! This is why I ask if the emails were "forwarded"

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350049)

I was going to send you a PM however, something stopped me.
My friend has no reason to lie to me. Send her the vet results, why won't you do that? When you make such accusations, you provide proof. How can Judy fix this with out all the information.
You have forced her to do nothing but follow the contract that you signed.
I am not sure of your motives in hurting Judy however, I am at a loss as why you would use your illness. I have a cancer with no cure and I would never place blame... Our lives are in Gods hands. Shame on you.

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350053)

This email doesn't even reflect Judy's personality!

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 4350047)

This is the e-mail that Judy sent to my husband.

You know I am very disappointed . I have a contract for a reason. You knew that when you bought Max .I really like Shelia and I am sorry for her illness. I have mailed AKC papers to you and the ownership can't be changed until you register him and then return the papers to me . I never give papers on a puppy until they are spayed or netured but I did it for Shelia . You have told me I did not send the real picture of Treasure which you saw her when you were here !Basically you have called me a liar .Now you want a refund , not a replacement puppy? I still have the tiny female and 1 other small male . I.will let you have either one of them . I will take Max back but by my contracts terms . I am sorry but that is all I will do .if I had known he had any problems at all I would of never offered him to you . If you want to return him let me know what day so someone is here.[/QUOTE



Check all the punctuation placements.... Enough said! This is why I ask if the emails were "forwarded"

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350053)

Yes, your friend has terrible punctuation!

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky (Post 4350012)

Judy should come here and defend herself and not send a legal eagle who is trying to scare us all. As for Sheila, I have known her for some time on YT and we shared many personal and emotional mails in the past re the loss of our beloved pets. She had the illness long before this situation arose, and I believe Judy understood and saw she was sick…and why she wanted a pet again. Sheila is a sweet person who would not have posted her experience with Max unless she was totally frustrated with the unfeeling breeder, with whom she thought she had a good relationship. I do know that money must be paramount to Judy and trump any emotion or empathy for people, otherwise she would let Max stay where he is and recompense Sheila for her sick pup, contract or no.
Things always get nasty when the law is involved!!!!

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom (Post 4350062)

I have no words...

Originally Posted by theporkieyorkie (Post 4350017)

Can you show us where she said she would return the pup for a full refund?!? I am not seeing it anywhere in her post...but I could have easily missed it.


A lot of people read this...perspective buyers and breeders alike. I would think, if she was innocent in all of this and she felt her character was being defamed, she would want to defend her name and reputation. Your name is everything as a breeder and I would think she would want to share her side of the story.

I know you are saying that nobody knows Judy or her side of the story....but she's welcome to come here and tell it. Perhaps then, we can understand why she does what she does. So far...all she's done is come on here and confirm what Shelia already told us...which is Judy is only willing to swap out Max.


There are always 2 sides to the story.

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky (Post 4349879)

Talk about heartless! Judy must read all this via email, and how a Christian and humane lady cannot be moved I do not know. Does she not realize all this drama is causing Sheila to be really sick and does she want her health decline on her conscience? I thought that good breeders had feelings and cared for living things and yet she seems to have no empathy for Max, Sheila, or her very concerned husband. If this an ego thing for you Judy, swallow your pride and end this now, please!!!

Originally Posted by yorkiemini (Post 4350039)

Has anyone seen any vet reports.

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200 (Post 4350072)

The YTCA and AKC are definitely getting copies. And even though Judy has never so much as asked about Maxwell, after we told her about his diagnosis, she will get copies, as well.

Maxwell has his 3rd Schirmer tear test tomorrow morning.

Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4350079)

For what it's worth, Judy appears to have honored the terms of her contract. Now that something has gone wrong we have a buyer wanting to change the terms of the contract after the fact.
Personally, I would buy back the puppy, AND likely reimburse the vet fees AFTER confirming the conditions treated indeed existed. I don't like the "you keep the puppy and get your money back" system as too much temptation for fraud. My contract says "full refund upon return of the puppy." I've made exceptions based on the customer's willingness to work WITH me and not remarkably AGAINST me. Don't worry, any puppy coming back would be given the best of care!
Sorry to have to post this, but this thread is getting sickening!
By the way, if you don't like my terms, don't buy my puppy!