Kia and Sydney were kept in beautiful show coat. You could see Kia could have been a show dog if not for her size. I thought you both did an excellent job on grooming. I felt Sheila would benefit from another puppy as well. She had so much love to give. I hope Max can be treated and lives a long and healthy life with you and Sheila.

Rich,
Thank you for sharing this full side of the story. Much easier to understand this way.

Also, I have extensive experience with MS, very extensive and all the various ways it affects various people. I've seen the high end and the low end and everything in between. Right now Sheila should not concern herself with anything other than her health and Max.

As someone who has had to cut my losses and walk away because I wanted to keep my pup, sometimes its just easier, I have absolutely no regrets.

I do believe YOU have an opportunity to resolve this with the breeder. I think the It is unfortunate all the way around and I feel for all those involved, especially Max.

I will pray for each of you.

Lynzy

That's so awesome to hear you guys are bonding well! I was scared it was really hard for Sheila to spend time with little Maxwell.

I think that's a pretty common option, not sure what else you want. It sounds like you made the decision to keep him even though his Vet check didn't go well. I would get a second opinion from an eye specialist just to be sure the diagnosis and treatment is correct. I lost my Shelby recently, I know a puppy will be good for me, just need to be sure "I" am in the right place for the puppy. It' a huge responsibility, I wish you all the best.

Max
 

I emailed Rich yesterday and finally got a response tonight. I have had to learn what is happening to Max here on the internet since they will not email me. As a breeder I should of been sent all vet info as soon as the puppy was seen. I have a 48 hour return policy where a full cash refund would have been given. These owners would not return him and as the weeks past and emails went back and forth between Shelia and myself ,The only info I had was that there might be a dry eye problem and there would need to be more appointments.Not that you need to know but for three weeks in October my husband of 44 years was in critical condition in the hospital and my mind was not on my dogs Yes I did send the wrong picture and yes it was not on purpose as you have been lead to believe. I had a file mislabeled and did not change for several weeks I own the son of the dog in the picture,his name is Gusto, I told them all along I would take Max back and give them his sister and in the last email to Rich I offered them another male puppy from a different sire and dam because they were concerned the sister might have the same problem .I don't know any of you and you don't know me,but the the negative comments that Max shoudnt come home to me ,is unbelievable My vet and I will manage his condition as I should be the one to take care of him. I love all my dogs and sell all my puppies with all shots given at 16 weeks and a spay-neuter agreement to protect them.The contract also states that all owners must contact me in the event they can no longer keep their baby. I will always take them back .I have a 2 year old girl with me now that the owner just died and she came back to me. I will keep her until and if and when I fine the right new home .In the email Rich sent me tonight they have decided to keep Max so they are choosing to break the contract.I love Max and always will.. I will always take him back anytime I hope for everyone Max is fine.

So a contract was signed that specified the remedies but now you object...is that correct?

Thank you, Patti.

Yes, Susan really wanted to see Sheila take Kia into the Show ring. She said Sheila was so petite & pretty and she and Kia made a perfect match.

She asked Sheila to wait until Kia was 10 months old to spay her, just in case she grew. She was really disappointed that Kia didn't get big enough, but always told Sheila she was so proud of her for keeping Kia in full coat.

Patti, our Vet is really well-educated, and between her, and Sheila and I-and prayer, I want to believe that Max will love a long and healthy life.

He loves when I take him in to see Sheila in the morning. He kisses her good morning, and snuggles up in her arms. He puts one paw on her cheek, as he kisses her.

Rich

I think that this is true, as has been previously detailed out. There has been much back n forth here on this thread.

Hopefully one of the morals of the story for a purchaser is, don't sign a contract you do not think is a good one from your point of view. Insist on viewing a contract up front, and taking the time to take this contract to your lawyer. For sure your breeder has taken their standard contract to their lawyer prior to sending it out to would be purchasers.

If the return of your puppy and then a replacement puppy is your only option for serious diseases whether or not they be life threatening, it is not much of an option for the purchaser.

I read your e-mail this afternoon, after we got back from the appt. with the attorney. I replied and said I would mail you copies of all of Maxwell's medical records tomorrow, with a tracking number.

It's the FIRST time that you ever asked for any of Maxwell's medical records.

Sheila e-mailed you with every single diagnosis, on the dates that our Vet saw Maxwell.

All you ever did was say you were sorry, you didn't know he had this issue/that issue.

And as I said in my e-mail-Maxwell is staying here. We don't want a different puppy from you.

Rich

We don't want anything else. Sheila posted the review to spare anyone else the heartache.

Yes, we made the decision to keep him. Vet and Ophthalmologist are working together.

We trust both.

Thank you for wishing us all the best.

Rich

Julianna,

As far as I'm concerned-this situation is resolved. I replied to the breeders e-mail this afternoon, said I would send her the medical reports, and we are keeping Maxwell.

I guarantee he is going to get the medical attention he needs and so deserves.

God answers prayers-so we put our faith in Him, to guide us in caring for Maxwell.

Hugs right back at you from Sheila & I.

Maxwell sends sweet puppy kisses.

Rich

I am confused about the bolded statement that you will supply a health certificate... Huh don't you regularly vet check all your puppies and supply a health record for each puppy to your purchasers? It is standard practice here in Canada. We have a three fold folder entitled Puppy's Health Records, and for each puppy we bring into the vet it is filled out, and then usually 48 hrs prior to puppy departure we visit our vet again for final wellness check. THat record is signed by our vet including their printed name address and contact numbers, the microchip information usually affixed to the file as well.

I agree with you! I believe at this point the breeder and yes I have met the breeder and like her and I truly believe this all needs to continue off line now!! I also believe the breeder wouldn't have knowingly sold a sick puppy! And I believe the buyer should have sent medical documentation when it first arose I know I would if I had a sick puppy! I'm not trying to disrespect anyone just stating what I've read throughout this whole thread! Buyers and breeders need to protect themselves!

Donna Bird

I actually did reread your post and I admit that I was wrong and that you did not trash the OP my apologies. I became upset over the only see one side and and no proof of anything other than the word of the OP and misinterpreted what you said regarding the word of the OP. Sorry Lynzy.

Lynzy,

You're very welcome. I was getting dizzy trying to make sure I answered posts for Sheila.

MS is an insidious disease. Sheila's diagnosis came too late for meds to help her. And the side effects were making another one of her health conditions worse.

I'm making sure she rests-I'm keeping the stress away from her as much as possible.

We feel the same way-we're keeping Max and he's happy here. He's getting the best of medical care.

I resolved things this afternoon with this breeder. She finally sent an e-mail and asked for Maxwell's medical records. She offered us another puppy, and I declined.

I feel that with the health issues he came home with at 4 months of age, are better taken care of by our Vet and Ophthalmologist.

Maxwell is in good hands-he is in the hands of his Creator.

And we pray for guidance.

Rich

Gemy,

We never received one, and Sheila was really worn out from the trip, and not thinking clearly. I was concerned about her, so, I didn't think to ask the breeder for one.

Rich

Chris,

Sheila can't get down on the floor, but Maxwell has bonded very well with her.

For a puppy, he seems to understand, Mama doesn't feel well. He cuddles with her, and he play-barks at her, and brings her his Teddy Bear.

When Sheila is sleeping, which has been a lot the past few days, Maxwell is with me.

Rich

Max
 

I do not do a health certificate on each puppy.Only if the are leaving the state or being shipped with a courier. It is a document used for those purpose. What I was trying to say I would have the replacement puppy checked for the same problem Max supposedly has. I have a 48 hour return policy in the contract for a cash refund, I was just trying to reassure them;

Oh yes that is the usual usage of health certificate. So then you do supply as a general rule the health puppy records signed off by your vet to purchasers? That as you know purchasers need to show to their vet when then go in for their first wellness check after purchase of a new puppy.

And yes that is good of you to offer an additional opthamologists examination of any future puppy, but also consider testing that breeding pair with an opthamologist and getting CERF's done. Many health clinics are run at shows that allow at a very reasonable cost to get the eye checks done. In fact if either dog is a service dog you can get the eye checks for free, go to the www.avco.org to find when the clinics are run.

Thank you for the hugs and the sweet puppy kisses:)
I hope that you didn't read what I have put in bold the wrong way. It was never meant to indicate I didn't think Max wasn't getting the right medical attention. If that's how it read to you, then I am truly sorry and please accept my apologies.
Wishing everyone all the very best and back to normal living!

Max
 

Yes, I agree some breeders may do this, But I would say over half of my friends that are show breeders do not. I am 62 and will be retiring from breeding soon so I wont change anything.. My puppies are kept usually until 16 weeks or sometimes longer,up to 6 months if we are evaluating a show prospect. My vet works closely with me and is also a show breeder also. My contract states a 48 hour full cash return policy in the event a problem had been missed ,such as was the case with Max .I am glad a decision has been made and we can all move on. I hope I will be told how Max is doing as time goes on. because I do love him also. I also hope these owners stop trying to attack my reputation as a show breeder.I wish all the very best, I will let you know here on the forum ,thank you

I just sat down and read the breeders contract very thoroughly. No where in her contract does it state "replacement puppy".

Rich

You are so welcome for the hugs & kisses, you deserve them.

No, I didn't read what you wrote in bold the wrong way.

No apology necessary, at all.

Thank you-hope to get back to normal living soon.

Rich

I did a little research on genetic/hereditary issues common with Yorkies compiled by Dr Jean Dodds of the 26 issues 9 relate to the eyes, eyelid, or eyelash. http://www.hsvma.org/assets/pdfs/gui...-disorders.pdf and specifically for Yorkies.
GUIDE TO CONGENITAL AND HERITABLE DISORDERS IN DOGS
Includes Genetic Predisposition to Diseases
Special thanks to W. Jean Dodds, D.V.M. for researching and compiling the information contained in this guide. Dr. Dodds is a world-renowned vaccine research scientist with expertise in hematology, immunology, endocrinology and nutrition.
Published by The Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association
P.O. Box 208, Davis, CA95617, Phone: 530-759-8106; Fax: 530-759-8116
First printing: August 1994, revised August 1997, November 2000, January 2004, March 2006, and May 2011.

Yorkshire terrier: 42, 57, 70, 71, 80, 88, 103, 149, 154, 160, 162, 166, 179, 181, 185, 199a, 235, 236, 245, 252a, 256, 269, 270, 276, 313, 330

42. Cataract: as in humans, a change in structure of the lens of the eye leading to cloudiness and usually to blindness.

57. Collapsed trachea: a condition where the cartilage rings that make up the trachea are malformed and tend to collapse easily

70. Cryptorchidism: a condition where one testicle does not descend into the scrotal sac.

71. Cushing's disease (hyperadrenocorticism): a common disease characterized by an
excess secretion of corticosteroids from the adrenal glands. Most often seen in middle aged females. (See #156)

80. Demodicosis: a kind of skin disease (mange) caused by microscopic

Demodex canismites living within the skin layers and producing an immunodeficiency syndrome.

88. Distichiasis: abnormally growing eyelashes.

103. Entropion: an abnormal rolling in of the eyelid.

149. Hepatic portosystemic shunt or arteriovenous fistula: a malformation of blood vessels in the liver or an abnormal communication between the arteries and veins in the liver. (See #199a, 252a)

154. Hydrocephalus: a condition where there is an abnormal accumulation of fluid in the ventricles of the brain.

160. Hypoglycemia: a syndrome where the animal has an abnormally low blood glucose.

162. Hypoplasia of dens: a condition where part of the second vertebra fails to develop fully and leads to instability.

166. Hypothyroidism: a very common endocrine disease where the body produces an
abnormally low amount of thyroid hormones. An autoimmune destruction of the thyroid gland which affects more than 50 dog breeds. (See #192, 312)

179. Keratitis sicca: a condition where one or both eyes do not produce a normal amount or type of tears. (See #181)

181. Keratoconjunctivitis sicca: Also called “dry eye”, and associated with hypothyroidism in some breeds such as the American cocker spaniel. (See #179)

185. Legg-Perthes disease: a disease where the blood vessels feeding the femoral head (top part of the thigh bone) shrink, leading to starvation and death of the femoral head (the ball of the ball-and-socket joint of the hip). Also called Legg-Calve'-Perthes disease. Most common in large breeds.

199a. Microvascular dysplasia: (See #252a)

235. Patella luxation: a condition where the knee caps slide in and out of place.

236. Patent ductus arteriosus: failure of the vessel remnant joining the aorta and pulmonary artery in fetal life to close properly at birth, thereby shunting blood away from the lungs.

245. Persistent pupillary membrane: a developmental abnormality where the membrane
forming the iris does not form properly.

252a. Portosystemic shunt: a congenital anomaly of blood vessels supplying the liver, causing varying degrees of liver dysfunction or failure. Also can be manifested as microvascular dysplasia. Common in breeds such as the Yorkshire and Cairn terrier, but can occur in any breed. (See #149, 199a)

256. Progressive retinal atrophy: a disease where the retina slowly deteriorates, producing night blindness.

269. Retinal detachment: where the retina is unattached to the back of the eye.

270. Retinal dysplasia: a condition where the retina is malformed.

276. Seborrhea: a skin disease with excess scaling of the skin and often an excess of sebum (oil-like substance) and odor.

313. Tracheal collapse: (See #57)

330. von Willebrand disease: a type of bleeding disorder caused by defective blood platelet function. Occurs in 59 dog breeds but most often in Doberman pinschers. An autosomal trait affecting both sexes.

Great job, Carolyn.

Our Vet explained the reason she did the 1st Schirmer tear test was because Max's left eye was so dry.

Sheila had sent the breeder all the information and included a link about it.

She couldn't understand how the breeders Vet missed it.

It's sad that it went undiagnosed so long, that he developed the bacertial infection in his left eye.

Now his right eye has it. So, I am treating both eyes.

She e-mailed me yesterday evening, and I replied and told her that I am not sending her Maxwell's medical records, until she sends me his medical records from her Vet.

Rich

You need to send the breeder all information you have received about her puppy. You are the one making all these accusations and have provided no proof. She has done all she can do and nothing is good enough. You have proven nothing to her. As I have stated, before, I have traveled 600 miles just to consult with Judy's vet. You stated before as far as you are concerned this is closed but you won't let it go. Take the puppy back and be done.

Vicki,

You're absolutely right. The breeder didn't give us any Vet records.

We've always gotten all the medical records on each of our three girls.

I've e-mailed her and told her that I am not sending her any of Maxwell's medical records, until she sends me his medical records from her Vet.

Rich

I'm sure health and vaccinations records went with the puppy when he went to his new family. Regardless, there are some very powerful accusations being alleged here and nothing being proven. If the puppy is suspected of possibly having this congenial eye disorder, the puppy should have personally be seen by the specialist, to confirm diagnosis, this has not happened. So what is the truth? The truth is a good breeder is being slandered with out any proof being presented. All I see is the OP and her significant other, coming up with excuse after excuse to NOT provide proof of the allegations.

I'm a bit confused although I've been following this thread from the beginning...Is the OP refusing to send this breeder proof of the condition he has? If it were ME I wouldn't wait for my breeder to ask for the info I would send it myself scanned through email and also priority mail with confirmation of receipt. It seems like this has turned into a "Mexican Standoff" but really I can't fault the breeder for not coming back on here to "defend" herself when this matter should honestly just be between her and the buyer. I also can't fault the breeder for just doing what this buyer wants without any proof or records to confirm the pups condition...if the contract you signed was for a replacement pup ONLY in terms of a genetic defect resulting in death and both the buyer AND breeder agreed to the transaction why do you feel wronged now when you agreed to it at the time of purchase? There are many other breeders out there that have "better" health guarantees or who like many breeders on here go above and beyond the terms of their contract. Just because they would doesn't mean they have to though if they're contract states otherwise. Imo this may make resolving the issue even harder because both parties(buyer and breeder) feel slighted.