Do not buy loretta plise yorkies from oakdale !!!!!

[Teegy]

I can see their point, because it's likely because of irresponsible people who's dogs escape from yards that they have several in their care.
I read all about that thing with Ellen and the rescue and actually stood behind the rescue and their rules and taking the dog back from the family.

At least you tried to rescue and you have to be respected for that.

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by Teegy

well that isn't our fault is it, so go get the legislature changed to prevent puppy mills and backyard breeders jailed and stopped, you should require some kind of livestock licence with strict federal and breed guidelines.
Don't be pointing scrawny fingers at the people on here, if it wasn't for good breeders we wouldn't have awesome information for health and diet maintenance and general care for our breed specific dogs who get fixed to prevent unwanted pregnancy which fill rescues and shelters with unwanted dogs.
You wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for people and their discarding of their pets.

Again preaching to the wrong choir on here, go moan at someone who abuse the privilege of owning a pet.

Go use your angst and energy and get TB shut down.

"Not only are you maligning SOME very honest, respectable, responsible breeders, who care every bit as much as YOU do about where our babies go and how they end up, you are making people that WANT TO PURCHASE A PUPPY FROM SUCH A BREEDER, feel they are the lowest, stupidest, most selfish, most uninformed idiots of society for doing so."

Teegy - The above paragraph in quotes from Yorkiemom1, is what I was originally responding to. I had sent a PM to her to let her know that I regreted calling her out on the board and suggested that since she was a reputable breeder, that we should work together towards what I am sure is our common goal. And that was the response that she sent me (publically, not a PM). It was much longer, but that is a good representation of it. I have stated here many, many times that reputable breeders play an integral role in the fight against puppy mills.

and this comment from you?
"You wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for people and their discarding of their pets."

If by a "job" you mean something that occupies my mind 24/7, takes me away from time I should be spending with my family, costs me thousands of dollars each year, never mind "paying" me, and yields very little joy but a lot of sadness??? then yes, it is a job, but one that I would be thrilled to be layed off from due to "lack of available work".

[Teegy]

The unfortunate thing is that for all the great and wonderful breeders out there with the take back policy etc etc is there are so many fools out their with pets that truly (don't know why) believe their dogs would be so much more fulfilled if they had a litter.
What they aren't getting is that this can lead to ovarian cancer and breast cancer in the dogs later in life (silly rabbits).
I am glad you do what you do, I'm incredibly grateful to YT for being an immense wealth of knowledge for those of us who want to be educated.
Our unfortunate enemy is the parent who gets their kid a puppy but can't afford a breeders costs or passes the rescues criteria, so they go to a source that meets their needs. Then what happens the kid hates having to take care of the dog they dump it on the street or in a rescue/humane society.
Then there are the ones cross breeding for cuteness, same thing happens.
I can guarantee you too that half the dogs out there are unlicensed, I don't know how many people I know say oh god no I didn't pay that much for the dog I'm not paying an annual fee for them.
I'm sick of the cruelty and wish we could put them all in a big hot volcano and turn them to cinders, but we can't.
So those of us who are responsible dog owners who got our dogs from either a breeder or a rescue tip our hats to those out there who can do something for the ones that survive the cruel life they are born to.

[madpuppymills]

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

It's not an implication, it's a fact. Good breeder/bad breeder/backyard breeder - for every dog bred and sold, one is killed in a shelter. You may not like how it sounds, but it's a fact.

Again, please explain HOW this is so!

So when I bought ZoE, you believe a dog was killed in a shelter? It seems to me that you are making the implication that if I hadn't bought ZoE, then I would have obtained my dog at a shelter??? Which is simply not the case. I, personally, would not go to a shelter to get a dog. For me it is either from a breeder of my choice or not at all. So, if I hadn't bought ZoE, would a dog still be killed at a shelter?

Again, I'll equate it to children. To me, it's like you're saying if I hadn't had two children of my own, there would be two less children in the fostercare system. Which, again, is simply not the case, as I would have chosen to either have my own children, or have none.

Finally, if you're so concerned about dogs being killed in shelters why don't you work on getting kill shelters shut down, or work on legislature that makes people legally responsible for their dogs for life....maybe then they'd think long & hard before getting one.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

The implication is that ANY breeder that breeds a puppy (& any person that buys rather than rescues) is somehow implicated in another dog being put to death. This attitude of rescue or you're a dog killer...is what gets me riled up....as you may have noticed

It's not an implication, it's a fact. Good breeder/bad breeder/backyard breeder - for every dog bred and sold, one is killed in a shelter. You may not like how it sounds, but it's a fact.[/QUOTE]

Well....hog wash! This is like blaming every law abiding citizen for being responsible for crooks being in jail!!!!..............GOOD BREEDER HERE !! HERE IS A FACT FOR YOU; YOU WONT EVER FIND A ROSEHILL BABY IN A RESCUE SHELTER! So, sorry, I refuse to accept ANY responsibility for ANY of those poor babies in rescue....The people that need to be made to feel horrible and guilty, are the irresponsible owners that choose to kick their dogs to the curb. FACT IS, IF WE COULD JUST EUTHANIZE ALL THE IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS, THAT WOULD SOLVE EVERYBODYS PROBLEM....there would be only responsible owners, taking care of their babies until they died, there would be no rescued dogs because there would be no abandoned dogs, responsible owners would not buy from pet stores because they know better, which would put puppy mills out of business.......AND THE LAST PERSON STANDING IS THE RESPONSIBLE BREEDER....supporting the responsible owner/BUYER!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!!

[concretegurl]

Uh mad you're doing more harm than good. Actually good responsibke vreeders help maintain the populatiin in control. They require spay neuter contracta otherwise we'd all be taking in rescues and without negative cobsequence bad breeders byb would only use readily avalible homes as another excuse.

Ya know I used to be a member if PETA until they alientated me by wanting to ban all natural systainable products for petrolium based animal friendly eviromentally devastating ones...so I bought a T-shirt that says I eat vegans and now send my PETA membership money to the SPCA

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Uh mad you're doing more harm than good. Actually good responsibke vreeders help maintain the populatiin in control. They require spay neuter contracta otherwise we'd all be taking in rescues and without negative cobsequence bad breeders byb would only use readily avalible homes as another excuse.

Ya know I used to be a member if PETA until they alientated me by wanting to ban all natural systainable products for petrolium based animal friendly eviromentally devastating ones...so I bought a T-shirt that says I eat vegans and now send my PETA membership money to the SPCA

OMG!!!! A CONVERT!!! I LOVE YOU!!!! GOD BLESS YOU!!! IF ONLY EVERYONE COULD SEE THE LIGHT THAT PETA IS ACTUALLY SHINING!!!! WONDERFUL MOVE, concretegurl!!! and thank you for pointing out the spay/neuter in our contracts....

[concretegurl]

Thanks. It wasn't an east choice at first until the whole animal friendly went to illigical extreme choices. I support most of PETAs boycotts etc but some of it again has gone extreme illogical and contradictiry to my other beleifs.
love you too lol

[madpuppymills]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

It's not an implication, it's a fact. Good breeder/bad breeder/backyard breeder - for every dog bred and sold, one is killed in a shelter. You may not like how it sounds, but it's a fact.

Well....hog wash! This is like blaming every law abiding citizen for being responsible for crooks being in jail!!!!..............GOOD BREEDER HERE !! HERE IS A FACT FOR YOU; YOU WONT EVER FIND A ROSEHILL BABY IN A RESCUE SHELTER! So, sorry, I refuse to accept ANY responsibility for ANY of those poor babies in rescue....The people that need to be made to feel horrible and guilty, are the irresponsible owners that choose to kick their dogs to the curb. FACT IS, IF WE COULD JUST EUTHANIZE ALL THE IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS, THAT WOULD SOLVE EVERYBODYS PROBLEM....there would be only responsible owners, taking care of their babies until they died, there would be no rescued dogs because there would be no abandoned dogs, responsible owners would not buy from pet stores because they know better, which would put puppy mills out of business.......AND THE LAST PERSON STANDING IS THE RESPONSIBLE BREEDER....supporting the responsible owner/BUYER!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

First off, for the record, I would never have anything to do with PETA or any organization like it. You may consider me a zealot, but I'm really not.

As far as comparing dogs to children; there are organizations/individuals out there who do encourage adopting rather than giving birth - I am not one of them. I have chosen to try and make a difference in the life of dogs, and that is what I focus on.

Lastly, regarding my statement. It is not hogwash, it is a fact. the numbers are actually even higher. No where did I say that Breeders (of any kind, good or bad) are soley RESPONSIBLE for dogs being killed in shelters, but it does not change the fact that it happens, and since the dogs cannot be blamed, and they cannot help themselves, it is us humans who must help them. Yes, there are many ways to go about it, changing legislation (I do not get involved with that), educating the public on the importance of spaying/neutering (which I am very involved in), educating the public that adoption is a very good, suitable alternative to purchasing a dog, and lastly, if they are absolutely determined to purchase a purebred, then to find a reputable breeder (both of which I also actively encourage).

Thinking this over, I would rephrase my post to say "for every dog bred and sold, at least one dog dies in a shelter - WHY would you want to purchase rather than adopt?" If you have an answer to that question that you feel comfortable with, then I'd say, go ahead and buy - just be sure it is from a reputable breeder. Note, that it does not say that because a dog is bred and sold, a dog dies in a shelter - there is a huge difference in meaning. Rather than trying to place blame, or deflect blame, why not try and find ways to make a change??

[concretegurl]

- WHY would you want to purchase rather than adopt?" If you have an answer to that question that you feel comfortable with, then I'd say, go ahead and buy - just be sure it is from a reputable breeder.

Tha above is great advice....hmmmm wonder what's up with the topic of this thread anyways?

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

Thinking this over, I would rephrase my post to say "for every dog bred and sold, at least one dog dies in a shelter - WHY would you want to purchase rather than adopt?" If you have an answer to that question that you feel comfortable with, ?

Let me tell you this. As someone who helps with a rescue group, not every one is a good fit for a Rescue Dog, based on one of many factors. I would never, ever put anyone down for purchasing from a Reputable Breeder.
I myself have purchased (3 Yorkies and I also have adopted 9 Yorkies, 4 of those being from Puppymill Rescue).
The way you keep preaching and shoving this issue down people's throat is not doing any good at all.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

Let me tell you this. As someone who helps with a rescue group, not every one is a good fit for a Rescue Dog, based on one of many factors. I would never, ever put anyone down for purchasing from a Reputable Breeder.
I myself have purchased (3 Yorkies and I also have adopted 9 Yorkies, 4 of those being from Puppymill Rescue).
The way you keep preaching and shoving this issue down people's throat is not doing any good at all.

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by madpuppymills

WHY would you want to purchase rather than adopt?"

I want to know my dog's lineage. I want to know the temperament & health of the parents. I want a specific look in a dog. I want the support/knowledge/expertise of the breeder on-hand whenever I need her throughout the years. I want the security of knowing that if for any reason I can not take care of my dog (ie: if I were to get a terminal disease), she has a great place to go back to where I know she will be loved & cared for.

I got my first yorkie when my kids were 3 & 5. The majority of rescues will not place yorkies with small children. Many rescues will also not place if you don't own a home, if your yard isn't fenced, if you aren't over a certain age, if you are in the military, and a variety of other reasons.

[concretegurl]

I was so upset once I found the perfect dog her name was Emma.

I passed every qualification for the adopt was so excited and when I was arranging the in person adoption interview the adoption cordonator said she'd do the home inspection on the following weekend, I said I didn't realize she needed to do that was she really going to travel the 7.5 hours?
I get it now but it was a detourant to rescuing then.

Once again I get you Kazzy