fancypups.com BEWARE
 

Beware of fancypups.com.........she has no parents on site! Dogs are out of Arkansas. She IS A BROKER!!! No history at all on pups. Her pups come and go fast. I've watched her for awhile!! All different birthdates.....Beware!:thumbdown

have you had a personal experience with this person other than just "watched" her?

Unfortunately Yes!!!!! I bought and sold a male. I have been to her house...I had the pup for about 3 months. When I got him he was underweight and bad teeth, and ear mites. She brought out several different puppies for me to look at. All different DOB, all out of state breeders and NOT one Dam or Sire on site. She get pups about once a month and sells the out of the Houston chronicle. It was difficult because we got attached to Jag. Thus I learned an expensive and painful lesson. He got to be quite large and was not what I was looking for at all. I sold him to an older couple fixed and now he is a lap dog enjoying the good life. I learned from that experience you get what you pay for. I also learned to examine breeders very closely. My breeder now if wonderful. Her website is gotyorkies.com I have been talking with her for about 8 months, she is very knowledgable and has beautiful yorkies with excellant lines.I hope others learn from my ignorance, That is why I'm on YT. I want to learn everything I can in order to be the best Yorkie MOM ever.:aimeeyork

Sounds like she is indeed a broker. I am sorry you had such a bad experience.

Yes, Jon and Jimmie Rascoe with Fancypups are indeed Brokers.

So sorry that you had this experience with them. :(

I personally had experience with them. I bought my little girl from them 1 year ago. I could go into a long medical history or you can check my past posts. To make a long story very short - my very precious Lola is 6 weeks post surgery from University of TN where Dr. Tobias repaired her liver shunt and also diagnosed her with luxating patella in both back knees. We have and will continue to do whatever is necessary for our baby girl to be comfortable, healthy and happy, but what these people are doing is a shame. We contacted them and let them know what had happend with Lola - we got no response. We love Lola and feel very fortunate that we were able to help her - I would NEVER, EVER, EVER recommend buying from these people.

Thank you for your post...unfortunately I knew I could not be the only one out here who had a bad experience with them. When you google their name only a few posts came up with negative comments and they were from YT. I really want to get it out there about this PUPPY BROKER. The breeder was out of Arkansas and she had some negative comments under her name, she had sold to a pet shop. SO BEWARE!!! It was over a year ago when I got my puppy from them but I have been watching their page and how quickly these pups come and go. She sells some of the pups for 400.00. Thats probably the really large or sick ones. Sick!

This has been a very long and expensive road for us. It makes me very angry that my precious puppy has had to go through all that she has had to because of greedy breeders and brokers. I, too, was very ignorant about BYB, brokers, etc. when we bought Lola. I really thought that as much as we paid for her that she was bound to be healthy and "well bred" - ha! They give you a 24 or 48 hr guarantee which is certainly not enough time to find out about the liver problem that Lola had. I would never have taken Lola back to them, but they did not even respond when I let them know about her problems. I can't believe that they can continue to do what they do. On one hand, I am glad to be finished with them, on the other hand for them to totally ignore what they have done is unbelievable.

FancyPups.com
 

I too bought a puppy from these people. I took my granddaughter to buy a puppy and of course when she saw them, she would not leave without one. Their website states "successfully bred and sold Yorkshire Terriers over 20 years. When I asked to see the parents I found out that they do not have the parents on site. When I went to my veterinarian for my "48 hour" health check, I was informed that this puppy had come from a puppy mill in Oklahoma where bitches are bred repeatedly to churn out puppies as fast as they can until they die. I assumed I was getting an AKC Registered Pup but when I got home and looked at the papers, it was ACA "American Canine Association" which I had never heard of. Five years ago I paid $1,000 for my pup and was very disappointed. These pups are not quality bred dogs; legs are crooked and ears do not stand. I am now stuck with a pet that doesn't even look like a yorkie. I too contacted these people and told them that they could be held liable for false advertisement - but never heard back from them. I watch their site to see just how many puppies they are turning out and making a killing on innocent, inexperienced puppy buyers. I have learned an expensive lesson and hope this will help someone else.

Where in Arkansas is this place located?

I'd never trust a breeder with a PayPal link on their site. They are in the business of selling dogs. We have too many pet dogs available, find a breeder who breeds to improve and preserve the breed or rescue a pet.

She wasn't in Florida was she? Kind of sounds like the first one I visited in Cocoa/Canaveral Florida back in January. She had all kinds of litters, different ages, weird colors. Wouldn't show me the parents. She said she was inspected by AKC. After reading your post, I assume she was a broker too.

Shameful...

Both of mine came from Fancy Pups. I had no idea what a broker was until I came to YT. One of mine came from OK and one from TX. I can't find their breeders, wish I could. Jon Rascoe quit answering my emails a long time ago. They have no shame.

Yeah, it sounds like they have outlets in most states, so this is another indication that they are a broker buying from all sorts of backyard breeders and puppy millers.

So they advertise online and buy from others? There is another one that I ran across recently in my area. They accept paypal and walmart money grams. :( Not a good sign I don't think.

You are correct, a good breeder is very concerned where her offspring is going, many pretend to be concerned, and even have people fill out an "adoption form", but this is just for show, if you have the money, you have a puppy.

I think fancypups in only in Texas - right outside of Houston. From what I gather, they travel around and pick up these puppies from various places, then bring them home and every few weeks advertise them online and in the newspaper. I, too, was under the impression that they were the breeders when I bought my female from them. She went out back and brought in a couple of puppies for us to look it and lead me to believe that the parents were "out back" with the other puppies. I did not know what to look for or what questions to ask at the time...stupid me. When I did figure it out, it was too late. I had a very sick puppy that I already loved - no way was I giving her back....thie is a terrible, terrible way to obtain a puppy!

DH was also under the impression that they were the breeders. He didn't know enough to ask to see the parents, he thought they were elsewhere on the property. I feel so stupid about paying them the kind of money that we paid. But, once I got them home, there was no way I was taking them back. I agree, this is a terrible way to obtain a puppy.

I wouldn't beat yourselves up. If you hadn't gotten them, who would have taken such good care of these babies.

I know, back when I got my first, I thought I was doing the right thing just not buying from a pet store or a "puppy mill". My 1st came from a not so good breeder who I don't think knew all of what they were doing. She was a very sickly girl - but well taken care of and loved dearly.

Lived and learned. This current pup came from someone whom I came to know and who knows what she is doing - much healthier!

I have a friend that got a femele from pocketbookpus the puppy have a large heart and the breeder did not refound right and got the dog back now she is for sale again.
they are brokers her and her husband.

Just as an FYI...

I have seen this site also, and they are definitely a broker, which should be avoided at all costs. They know nothing of the dogs, all they are doing is taking their profit margin and going to the next number...

However, slamming any breeder with a Paypal link on their site, when it is the most trusted way to send money when dealing with buyers and other breeders that live far away, is just wrong. It allows insurance for the buyer and allows the seller to keep that money in a separate account until the transaction is completed. I bring this up because I offer it on my OWN website for deposits on pups for the convenience of buyers. I don't charge them the extra 3% I am losing to offer the service. Buyers have the ability to check on any complaints that have been made against the Seller, as well as put their own rating in.

I am not saying that it can't be abused, like just about anything else in today's world. I only bring it up because you are steering new members looking for information away from many reputable breeders by lumping everyone into one basket. That is unfair and inaccurate.
~Twitterpate

I think the issue with offering paypal on a site has more to do with the appearance of treating dogs as merchandise rather than as living, breathing creatures. It provides a disconnect between the buyer and breeder. No face to face meeting required, just a click and add the dog to the shopping cart.

Now I'm sure not all breeders use it that way, but I've seen enough who take a (non-refundable of course) deposit over paypal without so much as even talking to the potential owner to make me feel it's a red flag. My opinion is that if a good breeder wants to accept paypal, that's fine. But the option should be offered only after the breeder has determined the dog is going to a good home and not used as a marketing tool on the site.

True...

I know I use it after speaking with potential buyers, for their convenience, since so many began asking to use credit cards/debit cards instead of cash, and I have no intention of setting up a machine at my home for as few as I sell...lol!

And after having one too many people have "issues" come up and back out of sales after putting down a deposit, when I had three other people lined up, reference checked, and screened for that puppy, who then made other purchases because it was no longer available? Darn right it's non-refundable.

I guess it's a personal preference and view, which is why I pointed out that it really IS opinion.

For me, offering paypal is not a big deal if I see it for deposits. My huge red flag on that is when I see it offered on a site to actually purchase the dog outright.
~Twitterpate

I don’t get it, why would anyone want to defend breeders who have PayPal on their site? How many dogs are they selling a year that they need to put this on their site? Sure YOU may be an excellent breeder, but your excuse is what a byb would use, “I do it for the convenience of my buyers.” Why do things have to be that convenient? I would think a good breeder is building a relationship with a buyer, and this is something you could discuss privately. I also have a problem with breeders selling dogs on credit. Someone should be able to come up with the whole sum, not buy a dog on the installment plan, which could encourage an impulse decision. I still say “Beware of breeders who have PayPal on their website, in my opinion, they don’t have the dogs best interest first. They are selling dogs, not breeding to improve the breed. If buyers just want a pet, adopt, otherwise, support the best breeder you can find, and who you can visit in person.

@Nancy1999

And you are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine.

I was under the impression that this particular thread was to forewarn potential buyers of a particular broker site.

I was not under the impression that this thread or this forum was to make a blanket attack on breeders and question their credibility due to simply offering a way for buyers to place a deposit on their online site using an online ability to place a deposit on a particular pup they are interested in.

My original post was stated in such a way as to remind everyone that the sight of a PayPal logo doesn't make it ALWAYS the case, since this was brought up and was not what this thread was about.

So since by your own words, my EXCUSE is the same as byb's, I'll clarify with some of the other statements you also made:

1) I sell 1-2 litters a year, using my dogs and the dogs of a 30-yr established breeder in my area, to avoid line-breeding.
2) I am not "in the business" of selling dogs. Since I'm in the hole about $6400 this year so far, it's a good thing. I don't keep track of what I've spent on rescues, I would probably cry.
3) I breed for the betterment of the breed IMO, probably not yours.
4) My "business" is as a Caseworker for the Dept of Social Services. My "hobby" is studying the pedigrees, DNA's and genotypes of my dogs, playing with them, loving them, making sure they are happy, healthy, tested, and safe. Oh yea, and occasionally breeding them when it appears to be a good match that will enhance what I am breeding for.

If I sound insulted, it's because I am. Only because I don't care for my credibility to be questioned over something so stupid, I answered. You may choose to now flame away, or actually continue this discussion on the thread it is actually supposed to be on. I'll leave you to yourselves.
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I'm sorry, but I stand behind my belief that whether you sell one dog a year or 100, putting the paypal logo on a site reduces the dog to being of no more value than a pair of shoes.

I take a big issue with the idea of a non- refundable deposit, too. But that's a subject for another thread.

Fancy Pups Sold Me A Sick Puppy :(
 

Well, I was new to having a pet and didn't know any better than buying from a puppy broker. I saw my baby Champ and fell in love right away when he went right up to my two children and wanted to play! He picked us to be his new family. I spent $900 to buy him from this place but they took $800 cash maybe because they didn't want to claim the income with the IRS which should have given me a clue of who I was dealing with and the fact that they didn't really know much about my puppy or his parents. Huge red flags now that I look back at it but I was taken by his sweetness and cuteness that it just didn't click.:confused: They seemed like nice people and I was in love so I bought him with no clue what I was in for. I decided to have him neutered at 5 months and agreed to have blood work prior to the neutering just to make sure he was fine because lately he was nipping and seemed depressed. His blood counts were way off so we put him on antibiotics and obviously no neutering and two weeks later tested him and blood counts were three times worse. By the grace of God my husband happened to be transferred from Texas to Tennessee and we live two hours from Knoxville. I have an appointment for liver shunt evaluation and surgery at the best place in the US to get this at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville next Tuesday. I've read that surgery could cost up to 5k depending on the issues. I'm praying the poor pup is even operable! I really do love Champ and would advise people to avoid this puppy broker because now I'm in love with a very sick pup and my kids will be devastated if he doesn't make it or is inoperable. Very sad and expensive situation thanks to inbreeding and puppy brokers not doing their homework and just making a buck at our family and my children's expense! :aimeeyork:( If you believe in the power of prayer, please pray for Champ to be operable and a full recovery and I pray no one else has to go through what we've had.

I am so sorry you are going through this (and poor Champ). God bless you for looking out for this boy and getting him the care he needs.

so sorry you and your family (people and pups) are going through this, but thanks for being able to share your story and hopefully help someone else avoid falling for a sick puppy. you will have to let us know how he gets on.

Hi Lola's Mom. Just wanted you to know that my little boy Champ who I purchased from Fancy Pups is with Dr. Tobias right now and I'm having the same experience that you did. Very frustrating road to go down and I can certainly relate to your experience.