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Old 02-25-2008, 02:20 PM   #31
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I'm sorry, but those puppies do not look healthy to me. Personally, I don't approve of breeding a 3 1/2 lb female period.
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Vicki, my heart was broken when I read the warning you posted, you were someone I thought was a friend. Bleu was the smallest in a large litter and I made no hiding of the fact, in fact, your friend, Robie has his brother (healthy and happy) I did not want to sell Blue in the first place, but you were so determined that I did for half of normal price, because it was you. Because I knew your dad and stepmom, and now I have met your mom. I offered you another pup as soon as you told me anything was wrong, long before you found out what. I returned 1/2 the price of the pup, even though the contract says I do not have to. I have had both the sire and dam's DNA checked and had multiple tests to see if it was a flook, or a problem in the bloodline. They have all been negative. I have taken the extra measure not to breed that sire and dam again, but they are not my ONLY bloodline, in fact I have multiple bloodlines, none of which are related. We talked about this many times. I am just so surprised and hurt. I take breeding very seriously and I adore all my babies! I have spent many years trying to breed the healthiest, happiest puppies possible and this is probably the worst thing that anyone has ever done to me. All this, and you were asking about a little female to be with Bleu!
ALL yorkies have traits that can show up, liver shunts, heart problems, and the unfortunate problem Bleu had. I have had many, many healthy pups. Many teacups are all over the USA and Canada. I personally have a wonderful 2.6 pound yorkie baby that is healthy and wonderful, in fact we have been very lucky that this is the first illness we have had to deal with that I did not catch up front.

I wish you the best with Bleu.

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It is obvious you take breeding very seriously. You are obviously making quite a bit of money off of breeding these dogs. I count 12 dams on your site. If you breed them once a year with an average of 4 puppies each (which I know you've had larger litters than that), that equals 48 puppies for the year. You are selling your puppies for $1500 - $2500. So lets say you get an average of $2000 a puppy. That is almost $100,000!!! Nice profit. So I'm not surprised you take breeding so seriously...

You can no possibly come on here and claim that you are a reputable breeder. I'm sorry but reputable breeders don't just buy dogs and breed them, they don't sell "teacups", and they health screen their dogs before they breed. Anyone that is educated on our wonderful breed knows there is no such thing as a "teacup" yorkie. Only breeders out to make money use this word - it fools people into thinking they are buying something rare or special and it allows the breeder to jack up the price (which you are). Janis, your breeding dogs are NOT quality Yorkshire Terriers. My dog came from a BYB and she meets the standard better than some of the dogs on your site. Have you ever read the Yorkie standard, gone to a dog show, seen a well-bred yorkie? Your dogs do NOT meet the standard. I could elaborate further but I won't (unless you just really want to know..I'm sure you don't care though). I will say this though...take a look at some champion Yorkshire Terriers and then take a look at your breeding dogs...HUGE differences.

Janis, do you do any health screening on your dogs before breeding them? By health screening, I don't mean just a regular exam by a vet. Do you have a full blood panel done, a urinalysis, thyroid panel, check for Luxating patellas and Legge calve perthes (exam & x-rays), bile acid test for Liver Shunt, etc? If you aren't doing these things, how do you know if your dogs are healthy? Do you have an extensive knowledge of your breeding dogs' pedigrees? If not, how do you know your dogs won't pass on a genetic defect? You said you've had your dogs DNA tested - I'm sorry but there is no genetic map of a dog yet...you can't look at a dog's DNA at this time and tell if they have a disease or defect yet. So what you said above is not true. You have to do extensive pedigree research and health screening to know that your breeding dogs won't pass a defect on. When you buy a random dog for breeding, you won't be able to research its pedigree..

You say this is the first time a defect has happened in one of your puppies. Maybe this has been the first life-threatening defect (and I hope it was...I hate to think of others going through what Vicki had to), but I guarantee you've had other puppies with defects. Do you stay in touch with all your buyers? If not, you won't know of any problems. My dog has Luxating Patella..I've never told her breeder...most of your buyers most likely haven't reported things to you either. Most BYB's don't care... they've got the money and have gotten rid of the dog...that's all that matters.

You should be ashamed of yourself for only returning half of Bleu's purchase price. Any reputable breeder would have refunded the entire amount at the least! Most reputable breeders would have also helped pay for the cost of surgery. Vicki paid $1500 for Bleu as she stated, you refunded $750...wow..she spent almost $10,000 on his surgery!! That $750 didn't make a dent. You should have at least given her the full amount back.

Janis, you need to go to www.ytca.org and look at the Yorkshire Terrier standard and code of ethics. That is the starting place for what makes up a reputable breeder.. Also, look at your poor puppies for sale. Vicki got lucky...Bleu is adorable. But look at those poor dogs. Look at the one you are selling as a "RARE CHOCOLATE" $2500 for a dog that has the longest nose I've ever seen and ears to match and hardly any hair on its face?? First of all that is not a chocolate (looks like a blue born)...second of all if it was, you shouldn't be selling it as "rare" and for a high price. Also, stop breeding such tiny dogs...reputable breeder usually breed females that are 5-7lbs (never under 4!!!!).

You just really need to take a step back... Vicki is right to warm people about breeders like you.
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Oh my Goodness! I just looked at the site...those poor puppies! So sad looking!!
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You are so sure. As a matter of fact, I do not have 14 dams, but 16 distinct bloodlines with 2 dams each sire, and I do NOT breed without full medical workups, including bloodwork, urinalysis, xrays, etc. I have full DNA's. I do not make $100,000 yearly, who does with yorkies. I breed enough to have maybe 20 pups a year, enough to keep everything as it should be.

So sorry you are unable to see the forest for the trees. Not everyone is as nice as what Vicki appears to be. I wish her no harm, and I pray I can forgive, but I find all of the name calling and rudeness so out of character with the breed of yorkie lovers I know.

May you have a good evening. Think on it.
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I am sorry you think my puppies are sad looking. I so not stage thier pictures, we play and take pictures in the process. I play a lot with my babies. You look like you do too.
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Janis,

It is obvious you take breeding very seriously. You are obviously making quite a bit of money off of breeding these dogs. I count 12 dams on your site. If you breed them once a year with an average of 4 puppies each (which I know you've had larger litters than that), that equals 48 puppies for the year. You are selling your puppies for $1500 - $2500. So lets say you get an average of $2000 a puppy. That is almost $100,000!!! Nice profit. So I'm not surprised you take breeding so seriously...

You can no possibly come on here and claim that you are a reputable breeder. I'm sorry but reputable breeders don't just buy dogs and breed them, they don't sell "teacups", and they health screen their dogs before they breed. Anyone that is educated on our wonderful breed knows there is no such thing as a "teacup" yorkie. Only breeders out to make money use this word - it fools people into thinking they are buying something rare or special and it allows the breeder to jack up the price (which you are). Janis, your breeding dogs are NOT quality Yorkshire Terriers. My dog came from a BYB and she meets the standard better than some of the dogs on your site. Have you ever read the Yorkie standard, gone to a dog show, seen a well-bred yorkie? Your dogs do NOT meet the standard. I could elaborate further but I won't (unless you just really want to know..I'm sure you don't care though). I will say this though...take a look at some champion Yorkshire Terriers and then take a look at your breeding dogs...HUGE differences.

Janis, do you do any health screening on your dogs before breeding them? By health screening, I don't mean just a regular exam by a vet. Do you have a full blood panel done, a urinalysis, thyroid panel, check for Luxating patellas and Legge calve perthes (exam & x-rays), bile acid test for Liver Shunt, etc? If you aren't doing these things, how do you know if your dogs are healthy? Do you have an extensive knowledge of your breeding dogs' pedigrees? If not, how do you know your dogs won't pass on a genetic defect? You said you've had your dogs DNA tested - I'm sorry but there is no genetic map of a dog yet...you can't look at a dog's DNA at this time and tell if they have a disease or defect yet. So what you said above is not true. You have to do extensive pedigree research and health screening to know that your breeding dogs won't pass a defect on. When you buy a random dog for breeding, you won't be able to research its pedigree..

You say this is the first time a defect has happened in one of your puppies. Maybe this has been the first life-threatening defect (and I hope it was...I hate to think of others going through what Vicki had to), but I guarantee you've had other puppies with defects. Do you stay in touch with all your buyers? If not, you won't know of any problems. My dog has Luxating Patella..I've never told her breeder...most of your buyers most likely haven't reported things to you either. Most BYB's don't care... they've got the money and have gotten rid of the dog...that's all that matters.

You should be ashamed of yourself for only returning half of Bleu's purchase price. Any reputable breeder would have refunded the entire amount at the least! Most reputable breeders would have also helped pay for the cost of surgery. Vicki paid $1500 for Bleu as she stated, you refunded $750...wow..she spent almost $10,000 on his surgery!! That $750 didn't make a dent. You should have at least given her the full amount back.

Janis, you need to go to www.ytca.org and look at the Yorkshire Terrier standard and code of ethics. That is the starting place for what makes up a reputable breeder.. Also, look at your poor puppies for sale. Vicki got lucky...Bleu is adorable. But look at those poor dogs. Look at the one you are selling as a "RARE CHOCOLATE" $2500 for a dog that has the longest nose I've ever seen and ears to match and hardly any hair on its face?? First of all that is not a chocolate (looks like a blue born)...second of all if it was, you shouldn't be selling it as "rare" and for a high price. Also, stop breeding such tiny dogs...reputable breeder usually breed females that are 5-7lbs (never under 4!!!!).

You just really need to take a step back... Vicki is right to warm people about breeders like you.
All I have to say is that poor baby looks so pitiful. I find it very difficult to believe that a "reputable breeder" would sell her for $2500!! She is NOT a chocolate.. I hope it's not your vet that's misinforming you like this..maybe it's time to get a new one..or do some more research on the breed...
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Not to mention when we see her puppies for ourselves..the poor things look so sick and sad! It just breaks my heart...and it angers me that that they are sold at such high prices when they obviously such horrible representations of the breed!
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You are so sure. As a matter of fact, I do not have 14 dams, but 16 distinct bloodlines with 2 dams each sire, and I do NOT breed without full medical workups, including bloodwork, urinalysis, xrays, etc. I have full DNA's. I do not make $100,000 yearly, who does with yorkies. I breed enough to have maybe 20 pups a year, enough to keep everything as it should be.

So sorry you are unable to see the forest for the trees. Not everyone is as nice as what Vicki appears to be. I wish her no harm, and I pray I can forgive, but I find all of the name calling and rudeness so out of character with the breed of yorkie lovers I know.

May you have a good evening. Think on it.
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I just counted 6 litters that you still have puppies for and that is just the ones that you have not sold yet and from June of last year. I think that you are having more then 20 pups a year. The math is just not adding up.
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Website has been changed as of today however here are pictures of pups that were being sold on her website for over $1500.00 a piece.
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Website has been changed as of today however here are pictures of pups that were being sold on her website for over $1500.00 a piece.
Do they put big bows on them to distract from how sad they look?
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The selling point words they use are

RARE TINY TOY AND CHOCOLATE!!!

You really think you are getting one of a kind but the pictures speak for themselves! The price of most of their dogs are between $2000-$2800.
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Is it me or did she remove her sickly looking pups pictures.. That says alot. If she felt like she was doing things the right way. Then why take away all the pictures?
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HHHmm..that's funny..why remove the pictures? Did they ALL sell in the past two days??
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Do they put big bows on them to distract from how sad they look?
I've wondered if the big bows were to distract from their bigger ears?
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