Anyone heard of Brenda Snelling?
 

Has anyone heard of this breeder? I got Ellie from her and it looks like she has a liver problem. Ellie is also way off standard. It doesn't look like she breeds Yorkies anymore though.

I've never heard of her, but I'm truly sad you're going through this. Maybe that's why she's not selling anymore.

Actually I saw that she was selling mini daschunds. Now I guess she is out of business entirely. It is not so much the liver problem (because it could be worse...it probably isn't severe), it is the cost of tests and treatment.

Bump. I thought I'd try and ask one more time. I highly doubt anyone has heard of her since she didn't have many litters to my knowledge.

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Where is she located?

That is kind of difficult to answer. I don't know. I got Ellie in Lake Orion, Michigan. Supposedly that is the breeder's parent's or breeder's husband's parent's house. She lives in Gravoid Mills, Missouri. I guess she flew the pups to Michigan to sell them. They were advertised in a Michigan newspaper. I hope she flew them to Michigan to sell them and it's not something worse (like puppy mill but I really don't think it's a mill). I am just wondering because I would be interested to know if someone got a dog from her that has "problems". Oh well, I love Ellie anyway.;)

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Did you try the USDA breeder web site...they list all USDA breeders by state...she might be one.

I did a google search and her name is in the petshop puppies database. If you fill out their form, you can get a free report on Ellie's origin.

http://www.petshoppuppies.org/index.htm

Since Ellie came from Missouri, the state with the highest number of puppy mills, I'm guessing she came from one of those. The woman you bought her from was just acting as a broker. Unfortunately, it happens all the time.

You are saying that you think Ellie came from a mill?:( The thought has crossed my mind (especially since the breeder is from Missouri). That makes me mad.:mad: Thank you both so much. I try googling her name and nothing comes up anymore. I will go to the links and see what I can find.

I don't see her on the USDA list for 2006 or 2001 (when I got Ellie). There is someone on there with her last name in Missouri though.:(

I don't think I can do the petshoppuppy one since I didn't get her from a pet store and that is required information.

There is a Snelling. It could be a family member since it sounds like they do business together.

It's just a guess, of course, but Missouri is the puppymill mecca. They sell their puppies to brokers from all over the country. I live Raleigh, North Carolina and there is a grooming salon here that sells puppies out of the backroom. She claims to have "a friend" in Missouri she gets her puppies from.

I forgot you have to have gotten your puppy from a pet store to have them do a search. Sorry.

You may never know where she came from, but it really doesn't matter in the long run. She's your baby! :wub: :wub: :wub:

I know it really doesn't matter where she came from now but you know how curious I am?:rolleyes: I have to know now. I am trying to connect the breeder to the puppy miller in Missouri. I know the breeder isn't a broker since Ellie's mom has the breeders last name in her name. Since the breeder would've named the mom she must be a breeder. I will figure this out.:p

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Red flags should go up when you see an ad in the paper and the person does not live in the area where the ad was placed..something to hide maybe by going elsewhere to sell the puppies.

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Yeah, I know that now. I had no idea how to pick out a puppy then. She actually does have family in Michigan, so I don't know. She could be perfectly fine with off standard dogs. Who knows. I'm somehow doubting that though.

I bought a pomeranian from Brenda Snelling In MO. she met me somewhere which gave me a suspison about her. The puppy was dirty and she promised she would mail me the papers and she neve did now i cant get ahold of her.

Wow, I never thought this thread would be brought back up.:eek:

I tried emailing her awhile back and didn't get a response.
I would like to believe that she is a good breeder but I just don't know.
Ellie's AKC paperwork went through just fine and I don't remember her being dirty. She was only 7 3/4 - 8 weeks old when I got her though.

We went to a relative of hers house to get Ellie, so that part wasn't really suspicious to me.

I have recently purchased a yorkie from Brenda. If anyone is interested to know please send me a msg.

If the breeder never registers then they aren't listed so the site is useless.
I wish you could locate a breeder by the registration number of your pup.
Then maybe you could locate the breeder if you wanted too down the line.
I don't think the laws have changed but a home breeder can have up to 6-8 dogs in their home without having to get a license. I might be alittle high on the number of dogs allowed in the home. I think I remember the home has only one male and the rest are your dams? and or a couple of them can be personal pets and not breeding stock.

What if your animal dies ? and the breeder was a small breeder if they aren't registered you can't find them, unless you stayed in contact with them.

A commerical breeder must be registered with USDA.

I just noticed that Brenda Snelling started a thread today:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-snelling.html

Gee what a surprise. :rolleyes:

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I find it very interesting how she found this site now after all this time and why not address Ellie may herself:thumbdown seems like to me someone here knows her and let her on to what was being said.

Brenda: unless you are willing to do something about the issue why bother responding:(

I am sorry I hope noone is upset I let her know about this topic. I bought a yorkie from Brenda two weeks ago and my yorkie got a limp today, I brought her in the vet and he suspects that it is luxating petella. This as most know is a genetic defect. My poor puppy. The surgery is very expensive around 2,000$ here where I live. Now I have the choice of paying for the surgery or giving the dog back? How do you give back a dog you fall in love with now? I was told she was healthy and now I am being told that she may have had this since she was born. We have to get xrays done now that is almost 200$ here, I just spent 100$ on a visit and pain medication. We are a young couple who just had our pup die last month, I can't take this or afford it. I started to search online and put Brendas name in on yahoo and this topic came up, I called her and told her that I have found others who did not have a good experience with her either. Sorry to anyone who is upset, I am very hurt and upset and I just want answers.

Ellie has luxating patella also but it is very, very mild and she jumps ALL THE TIME, so that may not have anything to do with breeding in our case.

Brenda, have all of your adult Yorkies been bile acid tested and your lines cleared of liver disease for the last 10 generations? We don't know why Ellie's bile acids are up but they are just too high. We are trying to figure out if it is a congenital Yorkie liver issue or something unrelated.

I don't know why Ellie was sold so young and why she is so off standard. The Missouri/Michigan thing along with them being sold so young does get confusing/concerning but that doesn't mean there is a problem with it. Like I said before, I don't know but why do you sell your Yorkies so young?

In the end it doesn't make any difference anyway because Ellie is Ellie is Ellie and I am so happy to have her.:)

First off I told the lady in canada I would refund her money but she wants to keep Stormy. I had no idea she had something wrong with her leg's. I had Stormy for over a year and she never had any problems or a limp. We love that little dog and wanted to find her a good home. We were going to breed her to my male but I considered her to small at 5 pounds some people don't but I do. As for the lady that has ellie I had 2 yorkies when you bought your dog. I had her mother her whole life she was almost 16 when I lost her to old age. I am not a broker or a kennel my puppies have been raised in my home and taken very good care of I am sure you were told when you bought her I always sell my puppies in michigan I don't want them to end up in kennels or with brokers. What is so confusing /concerning about that? I love my puppies and wanted to be sure they were all getting good homes. I never hid the fact of where I live or where the puppies came from. Why have you never tried to contact me personally? My name and address are on her paperwork I have never recieved any letters from you. You have seen my dachshund adds why didn't you say something to me? When was this dog diagnosed with this disease she must be at least 9 years old. Where are all of these people who have had bad experiences with me? All I see is one lady who has an older dog with a liver problem. Don't you people realize that dog lovers live in every state just because missouri has a bad reputation doesn't mean everyone who lives there are bad people. Why Am I responding? I was just made aware of any problems at all today. You journy 826 ought to mind your own business. The lady from canada told me about this site. I don't know how to personally respond to the lady with ellie or I would have done so. Why didn't she contact me would be the better question. My vet has never recomended a bile acid test on any of my dogs and to my knowlege none of my puppies but yours has had liver disease. If you don't even know if it's a congenital disease why are me and my dogs being blamed? What is so off standard about your dog anyway? I learned a long time ago not to sell my yorkies so young, at the time I didn't realize there would be any problems since then I have learned otherwise. What were the standards for selling puppies 10 years ago anyway? You all act like this all happend yesterday it was at least 9 years ago alot of things have changed since then and so have I. I can't believe I have to defend myself to people who don't know me or my dog's. I am very happy to know that ellie has had a very good home and a wonderful life just what I hope for all of my puppies. Brenda

okay brenda, giving you back the dog is one thing but what is going to happen with her? if she needs the surgery are you going to pay for it or let her suffer? don't you think shes been through enough having to get a new home and so soon after be given back? dogs have feelings and emotions also, wouldn't it be very depressing for her? what about right after I got her from you and we ran into that problem and I said I'd have to give her back to you, you said you wouldn't take her back you told me to sell her because you can't come and get her, now all of a sudden you will take her back? also I am scared to give her back, I'm not saying it was you personally but SOMEONE abused her. The vet said a dog doesn't act the way she is towards people for no reason, he said thats a sign that a dog was probably abused. Why is she so afraid of men. I am just very hurt and lost. This is so stressful for me, all I wanted was to find a new dog to love and help me through the recent death of my other puppy. My heart was just broken last month and now to hear this is so much more pain, I love stormy so much already, I bring her with me everywhere but work. I am not calling you a bad person or anything brenda but if this is what it is you must of known. a luxating patella just doesn't show up at 1.5 yrs without ever happening before, at least the vet told me this. lets pray that it is a sprain and not that. i am praying for her, praying it isn't worse. i do think as a responisble breeder you must screen for everything, these dogs go to families, that have children and love these little dogs with all their hearts. noone asks for a sick animal, as a breeder you must be more cautious. do you even give any health guarentee? also who do you get these puppies from if you have so many different types, if you are not personally breeding them then people need to know who did and what was wrong with tese parents.

I am so sorry you were taken advantage of....I can see you care for Stormy already and are trying to do the right thing. She should refund your money to pay for the LP surgery...Have you checked into any Puppy Lemon Laws that may apply in this situation?

I have been thru LP surgery and unfortunately it is expensive anywhere you go There are 4 Grades and IMO Grade 3 and 4 should have surgery to stop the luxation. Ellie May has actually done some research and it seems that Cosequin is a great supplement to give in situations like this, they have actually case studies and have some proof that it does help. So you should look into starting her on the supplement daily.

I hope everything works out. I too often think about my Yorkies and 'if' it wasn't me who got them, I wonder 'if' someone else would have given them the proper care too, or not (so sad) :(

thanks very much for the nice response, I am going to look into getting her some type of vitamins. I do care about Stormy very much. I have bought her the best food I could find at the pet store for yorkies, dental bones, anything to keep her healthy and happy. Like I said, I am a young mom, I don't have alot of money, things are on the rocks right now and I also suffer from anxiety. Having a dog helps me out alot, it makes me feel so much better to know you have that little furbaby that loves you and is always there to give you kisses. After my shihtzu passed I was so devastated for weeks, I'm still not over it, I miss him so much. He died suddenly at 10 wks old, it was very tramatizing. I was really looking to find a healthy dog, thats why I opt to get Stormy, she was a little older. I pray so much now that this is not luxating patella because I don't know what I will do. I shared my story with brenda and hoped that she understood my concerns about getting a healthy dog. I hope I was not taken advantage of. I am from Canada so I have never heard of puppy lemon laws. what are they?

Unfortunately a lot of small dogs have some grade of LP ~ Some dogs can go their whole lives in a Grade 1 or 2 ~ others progress faster into Grade 3 and 4. So you will really need to get a somewhat accurate diagnose of LP and what Grade. IMO - I feel that only a Board Cert. Ortho Specialist should do the surgery if it is needed.

Cosequin is really ideal for this situation. Do a google search and you'll find lots of sites that carry it, or you can get it from your Vet.

Puppy Lemon Laws: Each state has laws about this and what the breeder and buyers rights are and what they are entitled, etc....So you will have to look into that ~ I am sure you can find some answers online, just search....

How long have you had stormy? Luxating patella can show up...mine got it when she was 2 years old, they can get it from jumping off of couches, etc