Unfortunately, Michigan does not have puppy lemon laws at this time, but there is a bill in the House (HB 5738) that would put them in place. If passed, it would require breeders who sell sick puppies to refund the money, pay for medical bills or replace the puppy.

Hopefully if this bill becomes law, the breeder in question will no longer sell puppies in Michigan.

I do want to clarify that Ellie was not a sick puppy whatsoever and her liver issues may not be related to breeding at all. We don't know right now. We do not know if her bile acids were up when she was younger.

Hmmm....wonder if b/c the breeder lives in MO that those laws would apply :confused:

I'd be willing to guess not...the lemon laws I read have all stated they apply to sellers within whatever particular state.

You always have to read those really carefully too. They are not broad based to encompass all situations. I know the one in NY state is only applicable during the first 14 days you own the puppy.

If she is conducting business within the state, she is subject to their laws.

There are also import laws with requirements for bringing animals into the state, age (eight weeks), vaccinations, etc. I hope she has checked to make sure she is in compliance with them.

Thank you for mentioning that she was not sick as a puppy. I appriciate that. Brenda

I have had Stormy for two weeks tomorrow. From my understanding she has been active and jumping on couches all her life and Brenda has never had a problem. My couch isn't even very high, my shihtzu which was 3 lbs would jump off the couch and he was never hurt, it really is a low couch. That is the only piece of furniture she jumps off, she doesn't jump on the bed or off it, the door is usually closed. But from what I know is that luxating patella is genetic or if they were hurt young. This is what the vet told me and what I have learned from speaking to a couple who breeds yorkies around my area. Im really hoping this is a sprain if she did jump and just landed on her foot wrong, I don't know, I know it isn't broken unless it would be a hair line fracture but I just don't know she has been fine til now.

ElleMae, have you contacted the breeder to try and get them to pay for the medical cost?

I don't know what state you live in, but, i am in the same situation and live in CA. You don't have to give the puppy back; according to the CA's puppy lemon law; you have three options, one of which is to keep the puppy and get reimbursements for all medical related expenses to the congenital defect, which PL is. here's the link to the CA law Dog-Play: Getting a Dog Tips - California's Puppy Lemon Law

I think Elliemay bought Ellie back in 02 so I think that it may be to long of a time to get anything back now. I actually have tried to contact Brenda to tell her about my findings with my dog and about the seizures. She has chose to not answer the phone, return any of my calls or emails, I also called her family and told them to have her call me and she is not calling back. I think she knows that she has sold people sick dogs and is ignoring the people now. This is so sad because I needed to find out as much info about my dog that she had for over a year and she wouldn't even email me back to tell me any backround information. I contacted the Breeder she got my dog from and found out that she had been told when the dog was purchased she had LP and that she was not to be used for breeding. Brenda never told me, denied the dog had anything wrong with her and wanted to breed her. Now shes no where to be found and I am suck. I love my new dog so much and I am trying as hard as I can to take good care of her, it's just a shame that she is taking advantage of people. Also I don't believe there is any puppy lemon laws in Missouri and Michigan, which is where the transaction happen and where she is from.

You didn't even pay for Stormy your hold checks were no good you lie. Your certified chech you supposedly sent never arrived the only thing you are looking for is to rip someone else off and lie about it so in your own crazy way you don't have to feel bad for not paying for her. I shouldn't even dignify you with any kind of answer. Stormy has never had ANY kind of problems her whole life she was a sweet loving very healthy dog when she left with you. I am very sorry I miss judged your character. I can't believe I let a dog my whole family loved go to someone like you. Your a liar and a thief. You had a puppy previously to Stormy for three weeks that died. You had Stormy for 3 weeks before she had any problems. Maybe you should be looking around your home to see what is hurting these dogs? And do something about it. I was willing to take Stormy back right away but you are the one who wouldn't give her back. So I guess you can lie to all of these people if it makes you feel better. I feel sorry for Stormy. If you were in the United States I would have my dog back right now where she belongs. And I wouldn't have to worry about her for the rest of her life. Brenda

Please keep this dialogue civil and respectful or take the conversation offline. Personal attacks are not allowed. Thank you.

So I guess this site is for people to lie about people and try to ruin the reputation they have built for 20 years? I don't see any one else comlpainig about my dogs or puppies. But I do see alot of people saying alot of bad things about me when they have no idea of who I am or how I take care of my dogs. Or conduct my business. Just one crazy lady trying to get something for nothing and give me a bad reputation in the process. I don't appriciate any one talking about people when they have no idea what they are talking about. Even the first lady who has ellie mae, has an older dog who has a problem that came about when she was older. She doesn't blame me. She even said ellie mae was a happy healthy puppy. ANY dog or person for that matter can develop all kinds of medical problems as they age. It doesn't have to come from there breeding. Ellie mae's parents lived for 14 and 15 years with absolutly no health problems. How long do most breeders guarante there dogs not for life I'm sure. But the rest of you with your snide remarks should mind your own buisness especially when you don't know what your talking about. Maybe then I wouldn't feel I have to defend myself. This is quite a site you people have built. And I for one don't appriciate it. Brenda

I personally find it hard to believe that a breeder would give a dog to someone without having that person pay for the dog. Don't most breeders get the money first THEN send the dog? hmmmmmm this doesnt sound right to me.

Well there are some people out there who do try to trust people and try to make it possible for someone to pay for a dog when they don't have alot of money. This is the first time I ever let a dog leave my posession before it was payed for. She seemed like a nice person when she came to my home and I THOUGHT she was grieving from the loss of her other puppy. So much for trying to be compasionate. It will never happen again thank's to the crazy lady from canada. So much for trying to trust people. Brenda

Brenda you are the liar, you took advantage of my family, I told you that I had gotten a dog as a gift and he passed away, he was HEALTHY, I brought him to the vet, after he died the vet said he died from something that we couldn't of helped him with. We didn't get him from a breeder, it was someone around my city selling pups. We made a mistake by getting him without any guarantees. I told you this and you thought you could dump your problem on us. Don't lie Brenda, how come you KNEW SHE HAD LUXATING PATELLAS and didn't tell us about that? YOU KNEW, she was sold to you and YOU KNEW THIS and LIED TO US ABOUT IT. Now seizures? The vet said that this isn't something that just pops up in a 1.5 year old dog, she must of had these before. You call yourself a breeder yet you don't own any of the parents dogs? How come you couldn't call us back when I called you crying my eyes out that Stormy is not moving and was just rushed to the hospital? You didn't care, this happen over a week ago now and you haven't even cared to see how she was doing, your whole family loved her? Why is she so afraid of everyone, why was she so shy and scared of men so much? I told you I couldn't afford her for that price which isn't even close to what you paid for her. You wanted to get rid of her as fast as you could because you knew she had problems and you were going to give her to whoever would take her, the money was sent to you Brenda, it was in a card. You are the scammer here. Maybe you should check your family out they probably have it and are lying to you or you are lying because it was sent in a very nice thank you card. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TROUBLES. Because what goes around comes around and now I have over 3,000$ in vet bills that I am trying to save for so I can help this poor little dog out.

I am sorry if my post came off rude or anything but after reading this I am very very upset. I did not try and rip her off, I told her about what had happen with my other pup and that I was grieving over his loss, it was VERY hard for me to lose that puppy, theres nothing in my house that could of killed him, I have a two year old and four year old, my house is child proof. I have everything hidden up high and cables out of the way, my puppies are in the kitchen at first until they get used to the house, I clean my house with environmental friendly supplies because I don't even like my child touching the floor if theres chemicals. So for this woman to say that I may of done something to kill my pup? She should be ashamed of herself, I STILL cry over my little puppy, I loved him with all my heart. I would NEVER hurt an animal and these problems in Stormy wouldn't just come up! Two weeks after I had her home her leg was a problem then the third week was the seizures, Shes been doing okay this week but again her leg is bothering her. How is this my fault? How can someone say these hurtful things. I am really thinking about leaving this site now because I have been embarassed. I love Stormy and I am doing the best I can for her. For you to say these rude things to me after you haven't even talked to me since these problems arised doesn't make any sense to me what so ever. I told you when I left with her, Brenda if something were to happen with her, or she didn't feel comfortable at my house would you take her back? You said NO she will be fine. The only time you said you would take her back was when I told you about her leg. You lied to me I was always truthful with you, I sent you pictures of her and updates every couple days. You should be a shamed of yourself for trying to put me down. I am sure I'm not the only one who has went through this and I'm sure theres more people out there too. Now please leave us alone and stop slandering me on here, I came on this site to make some friends and people who are truthful and can help me out raising my dog.

I was not saying nothing bad about you, I just said the truth. Now leave me alone or I will be reporting you to the mods of this forum. You have no right to come on here and talk to me this way after I gave your unhealthy dog a home and trying to take care of her.

Telling lies? What have I lied about? YOU lied about Stormy. She had bad knees and that was something you were told about when you bought her, you lied to me about it, when I asked you about it you lied and said she never had any problems. She was also sold to you as PET ONLY and YOU wanted to use her for breeding, isn't that why you gave your 1.5 year old dog away because you couldn't breed her? But you loved her so much right. I'm sure the reason you got rid of her is because of her health problems so don't sit here and tell me I need a doctor. I need someone to talk too after being taken advantage of by YOU. You have turned every day now into worrying about my dog, I didn't sleep for two days after she had the seizures because I CARE about her and I was WORRIED ABOUT HER, I called numerous times and emailed you and you didn't answer back once but now you have something to say to me and talk bad about me, lady you don't know me and you don't know a thing about me but I do know that you lied to me about Stormy's health and that is all that matters to me okay. So stop trying to put me down, you should be thankful that I actually CARE ABOUT THE DOG and that I'm not THROWING HER OUT basically like you did because you couldn't make money off of her. I am here to get advice and help on owning a yorkie since all the information you gave me was lies. Saying they can jump off couchs no problem and they can jump off a bed no problem, yet now I have a dog that has a problem with her legs because she was BORN with a problem and now it needs surgery. I am finished with you, leave me alone PLEASE.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. As a "responsible breeder," you should not be wasting your time verbally abusing a client- you should be attempting to resolve the issues at hand. If she did not pay for the dog, why haven't you sought any legal action against her? I find it very interesting that someone who claims themselves to be a breeder would publicly argue with a buyer. I can't see ANY of the responsible breeders on this site going about things the way you have. :thumbdown:thumbdown

:goodpost: I agree!!!

Because I can't. She lives in Canada. According to the law there is nothing I can do. I have 2 bad checks from her that acording to the procecutor I can't do anthing about. I tried to do something about it I tried to get my dog back she won't let me have her. I don't know where she lives her address is not on her checks she came to my home to purchase her. Instead she wants to slander my name in public. What would you do nothing? I didn't start this she did. I guess you wouldn't defend yourself? I have looked at alot of other messages and I don't see anyone else getting lied about the way I have.

This really sounds like a matter the two of you should take up privately...

You are right. I appolagise to any one I have offended.

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Brenda has decided to make this public, I don't think it is anyone elses business, all I stated was that I was lied too, I tried to contact Brenda several times and she has refused to answer me, I called her family who told me I was a lying about the condition of the dog. I have the bill from the vet for the visit and medication she is on for her leg, I also have an estimate of almost 500$ for the testing that needs to be done. I am not a liar and to clarify those weren't even bad cheques, she never even tried to cash them. I simply had told her a couple days after I got the dog BEFORE she was going to cash the one cheque that I COULD NOT afford to pay for the dog and that I was willing to give her back, she said NO I better figure out a way to get the money ASAP or else she would sue me. So I did, I came up with a way to get the money and sent it too her, the mistake I made was sending cash because now she is saying it never arrived. If you were a real breeder Brenda you wouldn't be posting this business on the internet for everyone. That is very immature, all I care about is the well being of this dog. You have not mentioned one thing about her legs? Because you know you lied and kept it from me. She didn't want to discuss this privately because it's probably a show for her. I've also contacted a lawyer and spoke with him about this. I'm young and I work hard to help support my family, I am not a thief nor did I lie to this woman. She was willing to work out anything she could so I could have the dog, at the time I figured she was trying to be nice and I really appreciated it, I emailed her almost everyday with updates for the first two weeks on how great she was doing and I sent pictures and telling her how happy we were we had her how amazing she was and then the first problem came up and I told Brenda, she denied it and blew it off, she said I will take her back then I said we have fallen in love with her and how can we just give her back now?? Then the money was sent. I have not spoken with her in two weeks and it's been almost two weeks now since the seizures, I called her family and told them that I will fight for this dog because this is UNFAIR to the dog. ALl I wanted to hear from her was the medical backround of this dog, I got a record of shots but that was it. I haven't heard from her in almost two weeks now and now she comes on here to say that I scammed her and didn't send money? WHY NOW? Why almost two weeks later she says this, because I said the dog is sick now and that I will fight for her? Listen Brenda I told you in the last email, I will handle this however I can, right now I am trying to save up money to do her tests and take care of her as best as I can, I didn't ask for a sick dog and I would not pretend she was sick either. You were not here that Wednesday afternoon when she had her seizure, you don't know how I felt or what Stormy and my family went through. Do you know what it is like to have your beloved dog laying their LIFELESS and us preforming CPR on her to save her life and then rushing her to the vet? NO YOU DON'T and you didn't care because I called you all day and night for two days crying leaving messages to just PLEASE ANSWER. And you wouldn't so PLEASE I beg you now to LEAVE ME ALONE and STOP bothering me. Stormy is safe and in a good home, she is spoiled rotten here and has everything she could ask for, a warm, loving home where she is hardly left alone, We don't need you to feel sorry for her, I felt sorry for her but now I am happy she is in a good home.