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ilovelouie 09-15-2007 02:04 PM
WOW the resemblance in unreal!
 
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Wow, I was just looking a your lovely site and noticed how much my Louie and your Roxie look alike!!!

BamaFan121s 09-15-2007 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371684)
and the Chocolate and Parti yorkie trend is not going to die either.
You summed it up perfectly! It's a trend.

YorkyDiva 09-15-2007 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1371671)
Call me crazy, but wouldn't 'bettering the breed' require trying to meet the standards of the breed?:rolleyes:

And you are saying that I am not bettering the breed?

diggy4 09-15-2007 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovelouie (Post 1371695)
Wow, I was just looking a your lovely site and noticed how much my Louie and your Roxie look alike!!!
wow they really do look alike! Both VERY precious !!!!!

YorkyDiva 09-15-2007 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovelouie (Post 1371695)
Wow, I was just looking a your lovely site and noticed how much my Louie and your Roxie look alike!!!
Oh, my gosh! you are right. He also looks a lot like Penny! He is gorgeous!

YorkyDiva 09-15-2007 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1371698)
You summed it up perfectly! It's a trend.
AND, it is not going to die. I really think trend was someone else's word.

MyFairLacy 09-15-2007 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371700)
And you are saying that I am not bettering the breed?
No, you are not bettering the breed, conformation-wise anyway (and I'm not refering to you off-colors here). Of course all yorkies are cute, but take a look at most show yorkies and then take a look at your breeding stock...

BamaFan121s 09-15-2007 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371700)
And you are saying that I am not bettering the breed?
I didn't have to "say" anything. I think you were the one that posted this:

I don't think I will be able to change the Yorkie world with my one pair of Chocolate Yorkies

And again, to better the breed, you would have to be breeding to meet the standards, which you are not doing if you are breeding chocolates. The "breed" has standards, already set in stone, recognized and approved. If you are not breeding to those standards, then how are you bettering anything? It wasn't an insult--I just don't see the logic...

YorkyDiva 09-15-2007 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371707)
AND, it is not going to die. I really think trend was someone else's word.
As I wrote on another thread: Try to change your thinking and think of the different colors as the wave of the future in which the Yorkie standard becomes enriched with COLOR!

BamaFan121s 09-15-2007 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371707)
AND, it is not going to die. I really think trend was someone else's word.
Your right...wrong word...color abonormality or gene overload would have been a more correct description.:)

MyFairLacy 09-15-2007 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371716)
As I wrote on another thread: Try to change your thinking and think of the different colors as the wave of the future in which the Yorkie standard becomes enriched with COLOR!
God I hope not! A yorkie should LOOK like a traditional yorkie. If you prefer off-colors, then start your own breed! I hope the standard never opens up to other colors...

YorkieRose 09-15-2007 02:24 PM
apples and oranges
 
This is where I say "chocolate" ..a long member used to disagree with me alot..we wound up friends, by saying.."chocolate"..that means we will never agree...end of discussion.
No one says you can not breed any color you want, any size, any two dogs together and call it whatever name you select..just don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining...

If I love, respect, and want to protect something, I do it no harm. I feel by changing the core of it, destroys, not improves..it is no longer the Yorkie I desire to own..my choice.

Remember, the guy who was selling George Washington's ax he used to cut down the cherry tree...he had changed the head 4 times and the handle 3 times, still felt it was George's orginial ax..I know, I know, I have been called fanatically about the breed, but so are the people I respect.

The betterment of the breed is all I ever heard when I started...I walked up to Johnny and Morris (Trivar) said.."I would like to buy a show quality female to breed"...all Johnny said was.."we do this for the betterment of the breed, prove to us you will do the same...took a few years, but they trusted me.

crystalsmom 09-15-2007 02:24 PM
Just leaving the chocolates out of this whole thing, you breed tinies on purpose and sell them without a restricted registration so these people who own them will go on to breed more and probably give you one back on top of it.

It's all about money and nothing about protecting the breed....go ahead and do what you are doing but don't expect most of us to understand.

crystalsmom 09-15-2007 02:28 PM
OMG Pat, we both posted at exactly the same time, with you talking chocolate I would never have said lets leave chocolates out of this.Embarrassed.

YorkieRose 09-15-2007 02:29 PM
Lol
 
Too funny!

BamaFan121s 09-15-2007 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by crystalsmom (Post 1371735)
Just leaving the chocolates out of this whole thing, you breed tinies on purpose and sell them without a restricted registration so these people who own them will go on to breed more and probably give you one back on top of it.
Well now I knew eventually someone was going to let the cat out of the bag. :p I have found that things rarely turn out how they initially seeemd to be...

To be quite honest, I really don't plan to lose any sleep over it. If and when the standard of Yorkies change to include other color variations, I know that it will be the result of many years of hard work, dedication, documentation, etc by truly dedicated, honest, ethical breeders--people who go about achieving that goal in the proper, respectable manner. Until that day in time comes, I'm not going overly concern myself with it. There is little I can do to change those not fitting that description. All I can do is state my opinion (which I have already done here) and move on (which I intend to do after this post.)

And in saying that, I am in no way trying to include or disclude anyone into that category (or any category) of breeders. Just making a general statement to express my feelings. Take it, discuss it and interpret it as you will.:) Moving on...

yorkiekist 09-15-2007 03:42 PM
chocolate
 
I have looked at your web-site. None of the dogs I saw were anywhere near show quality, let alone breeder quality. I guess, in person, they are all within the standard of the breed.?? I dont see how you are improving the breed when you continue to breed to your own standard and not the AKC, UKC, or even the CanidianKC standards. Yes, they are all very cute(except, personally I think Chocs are ugly), so it must be that you only breed for monetary purposes. Over the years of breeding, have you made any improvements toward the AKC standard? Or have they just gotten "better" to your standard? Have you had any of them evaluated by an AkC judge or a YTCA member? Or is it "AKC and YTCA be damned, they know nothing after 100 plus years". But, as long as that 2500 and 3500 keeps rolling in, you will keep breeding only for the current trend and not make any improvements toward the standard.

Bizzymammabee 09-15-2007 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1369894)
I just saw on your "chocolate" page that you sell the pups with full registration. Why would you not sell them with limited registration so that they cannot be bred? Only those that are show quality should be sold with showing and breeding rights. But I guess since you don't show, you wouldn't know which ones are show quality and which aren't. I wouldn't want to chance selling a 2lb "teacup" puppy to someone who might breed it. Those tinies could die if bred. All reputable breeders sell their non-show quality puppies with limited registration. Reputable breeders want to protect their lines and the lives of their puppies.
Wow why all the hostility here.

Sugar's Mom 09-15-2007 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee (Post 1371865)
Wow why all the hostility here.
especially from people who don't breed, don't show, have nothing but secondd handd knowledge or what they;ve heard, have tinies themselves or have good friends that do and sell them for exhorborant prices or have little nothing pedigree large size puppies and still sell them for high prices. i am also moving on before i pop my mouth off and get the thread closed by saying what I really think of a few people that have given this lady a hard time. Bye you'all;)

MyFairLacy 09-15-2007 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee (Post 1371865)
Wow why all the hostility here.
I wouldn't call it being hostile...I call it being honest.

diggy4 09-15-2007 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1371880)
especially from people who don't breed, don't show, have nothing but secondd handd knowledge or what they;ve heard, have tinies themselves or have good friends that do and sell them for exhorborant prices or have little nothing pedigree large size puppies and still sell them for high prices. i am also moving on before i pop my mouth off and get the thread closed by saying what I really think of a few people that have given this lady a hard time. Bye you'all;)
:goodpost:

MyFairLacy 09-15-2007 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1371880)
especially from people who don't breed, don't show, have nothing but secondd handd knowledge or what they;ve heard, have tinies themselves or have good friends that do and sell them for exhorborant prices or have little nothing pedigree large size puppies and still sell them for high prices. i am also moving on before i pop my mouth off and get the thread closed by saying what I really think of a few people that have given this lady a hard time. Bye you'all;)

I have several friends that have tiny yorkies (3lbs). I love the tiny ones myself too, but I would never buy from a breeder that intentionally breeds them by breeding a tiny mother and father together. I guess I just get tired of people breeding just because they can and only to make money. Yorkies are so overbred now and most are so far from standard that most people don't even know what a yorkie should look like anymore. I love all yorkies and they all deserve a good home, but most should not be bred. It just makes me sad to see dogs bred just for money, and its even worse when the breeder tells themselves that they are improving the breed when they are really hurting it

daisy mae06 09-15-2007 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1371880)
especially from people who don't breed, don't show, have nothing but secondd handd knowledge or what they;ve heard, have tinies themselves or have good friends that do and sell them for exhorborant prices or have little nothing pedigree large size puppies and still sell them for high prices. i am also moving on before i pop my mouth off and get the thread closed by saying what I really think of a few people that have given this lady a hard time. Bye you'all;)
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: That is why I am keeping my lips sealed LOL And It is getting REALLY hard to do. And you Know to seal these lips of mine is a tuff Job :rolleyes:

YorkyDiva 09-15-2007 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1371880)
especially from people who don't breed, don't show, have nothing but secondd handd knowledge or what they;ve heard, have tinies themselves or have good friends that do and sell them for exhorborant prices or have little nothing pedigree large size puppies and still sell them for high prices. i am also moving on before i pop my mouth off and get the thread closed by saying what I really think of a few people that have given this lady a hard time. Bye you'all;)
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I was going to say something, but I think you said it all! You go girl!:thumbup: :thumbup:

Bizzymammabee 09-15-2007 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1371883)
I wouldn't call it being hostile...I call it being honest.
There is being honest and then there is jumping all over someone. While folks might not agree that her babies are worth x amount of dollar or standard I don't particularly see the need for everyone to come at her so hard. I know that a lot of breeders are very passionate about sticking to standard and so on and so forth and that is their right. I just find it unbelievable that she came on here because she wanted an idea of what was wrong with her site that someone would harrass her and people jumped on her like that. I think everyone should be ashamed of themselves for doing so and for also hinting that she might have posted this topic to get people to buy her babies.

MyFairLacy 09-15-2007 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkyDiva (Post 1371919)
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I was going to say something, but I think you said it all! You go girl!:thumbup: :thumbup:
It's sad when some of the nonbreeders on here know more about the standard than those who are breeding... Using the word "Teacup" for instance..

MyFairLacy 09-15-2007 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee (Post 1371921)
There is being honest and then there is jumping all over someone. While folks might not agree that her babies are worth x amount of dollar or standard I don't particularly see the need for everyone to come at her so hard. I know that a lot of breeders are very passionate about sticking to standard and so on and so forth and that is their right. I just find it unbelievable that she came on here because she wanted an idea of what was wrong with her site that someone would harrass her and people jumped on her like that. I think everyone should be ashamed of themselves for doing so and for also hinting that she might have posted this topic to get people to buy her babies.
No one has jumped all over her. There have been those that support what she is doing and those that haven't. No one has been rude, including me. There have been several things I haven't said because I DONT want to be rude. But I am going to be honest

yorkiekist 09-15-2007 04:34 PM
hostile??
 
I dont think most of us are coming off hostile. I, and I am sure the other "hostiles", just love this breed and are just stating the facts about breeding to the standard. Most show breeders are very passionate about the standard agree that its being "ruined" by all the back yard breeders. And the byb comment is not being used in a bad way. ie, all of you, I hope, are not puppy mills, just not show breeders. So, if all the byb'ers dont want to breed to the AKC standard, dont expect the responsible breedrs to cut you any slack. And to the person who said something to the effect that all the "hostiles" didnt breed, show, only had secondhand things to say and had nothing pedigrees, I beg to differ. I dont consider one or two champions in the 3rd and 4th generation of a pedigree something to shout about.
To the person with the web-site: I think your web-site is nice. Too bad we will never agree on the dogs.

Bizzymammabee 09-15-2007 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1371926)
No one has jumped all over her. There have been those that support what she is doing and those that haven't. No one has been rude, including me. There have been several things I haven't said because I DONT want to be rude. But I am going to be honest
I can appreciate honesty. I have read all the posts twice and I can see where some folks have been a bit overly opinionated with her. She came on because she wanted to talk about someone sending her nasty im's and it has turned into this whole thing. I think that everyone should always remember that while your stating x, y or z and not meaning to be harsh it can be interpreted differently by others. Whether some posters have meant to be harsh or not as a person reading their posts some hostility comes across.

I personally don't agree with her prices and I have told her so but she isn't doing what other breeders (show or non-show) are doing. They are capitalizing on the market. I hate the fact but there are people out there that will ask for such exhorbitant prices but there are people that can spend that kind of money and see no issues with doing so.

I would never breed such small dogs or dogs in general myself because that is not my thing or area of expertise but she is not the only one doing it.

crystalsmom 09-15-2007 04:50 PM
Go to the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's website and see what they say about breeding the tines....exactly what alot of others have said including me on this thread.


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